Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Adelheid Of Lowen Death: After 4 Nov 1158 in Tart
- (Unk Dau) Of Louvain Birth: After 1090
Marriage:
Children:
- Henry Bishop Of Toul Death: 6 Jan 1165
- Petronella Death: 23 May 1144
- Gisela
- Thierry Of Lorraine, Count Of Flanders Birth: Abt 1101
Death: 17 Jan 1168
Bibliography
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Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. I: Die Stammesherzoge, Die Weltlichenkurforsten, Die Kaiserlichen, Koniglichen und Grossherzoglichen Familien. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1980. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES I #[0-9]*].
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Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. I.2: Premysliden, Askanier, Herzoge von Lothringen, die Hauser Hessen, Wurttemberg und Zahringen. Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, 1999. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES I.2 #[0-9]*].
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Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. II: Die Ausserdeutschen Staaten Die Regierenden Hauser der Ubrigen Staaten Europas. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1984. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES II #[0-9]*].
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Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. VI: Familien des Alten Lotharingien I. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1978. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES VI #[0-9]*].
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Collin, Frederic, Descendants of Lambert de Fouron. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 4/5/2005. Subject: Louvain- Ponthieu link ?. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/4xxTNrDdxh8/m/yRJIgG2M3u0J. Author address: frederic dot collin at lathuy dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Frederic Collin SGM 4/5/2005-150938].
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Parsons, John Carmi, GERTRUDE of FLANDERS. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 10/23/1998. Subject: ROBERT CT of FLANDERS/dau GERTRUDE of FLANDERS. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/JmCQntXTEQc/m/IHrlG9DcvSQJ. Author address: jparsons at chass dot utoronto dot ca. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Carmi Parsons SGM 10/23/1998].
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Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol II: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 2002. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 2. Corrections at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p[0-9]*].
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Moriarty, G Andrews, Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III And Queen Philippa. Salt Lake: Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, 1985. LDS Film#0441438. NYPL ARF-86-2555. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/film/007905814?cat=66443. Also available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/66443. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p[0-9]*].
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Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9. NYPL ARZ+ (Wallop) (Watney, V. J. Wallop family). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/213421. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Watney WALLOP #[0-9]*].
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Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].
Sources for birth and parent Information
- date:
- abt 1070 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p130, Weis AR7 #164],
- parents:
- [Ref: ES II #5, Moriarty Plantagenet p130, Watney WALLOP #408, Weis
AR7 #164],
- father:
- [Ref: ES I #95, Moriarty Plantagenet p125, Watney WALLOP #620]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- [Ref: ES I #95, Moriarty Plantagenet p130, Weis AR7 #164]
- 1115/26 [Ref: ES II #5, ES VI #129]
Sources with Information about marriage to Henry III Count Of Louvain
- date:
- first marriage of Gertrude [Ref: ES I #95, ES II #5, Moriarty
Plantagenet p125, Moriarty Plantagenet p130],
- child:
- [Ref: ES I.2 #236, Frederic Collin SGM 4/5/2005-150938]
Sources with Information about marriage to Thierry II Duke Of Lorraine
- date:
- [Ref: ES II #5 (with corr in III.3)]
- 1095/96 [Ref: ES VI #129]
- abt 1100 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p130, Weis AR7 #164]
- second marriage of Gertrud [Ref: ES I #95],
- place:
- [Ref: ES II #5 (with corr in III.3)],
- child:
- [Ref: ES VI #129, Keats-Rohan DD p242, Moriarty Plantagenet p130,
Watney WALLOP #408, Watney WALLOP #620, Weis AR7 #164]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
- child:
- Simon I Duke of Lorraine Mosellana (#14162) [Ref: ES VI #129, Watney
WALLOP #620]
Research Notes:
Gfin v. Flanders [Ref: ES I #95]
Our sources for the issue of Gertrude of Flanders' first marriage, to Ct Henry
III of Louvain, are the _Genealogia ducum Brabantiae heredum Franciae_, ed. G.
Waitz in *Monumenta Germaniae Historica*, Scriptores 25 (Hannover, 1880), p.
390, and the _Chronica Alberici monachi Trium Fontium_, ed. P.
Scheffer-Boichorst, also in *MGH* Scriptores 23 (Hannover, 1874), p. 871.
Neither chronicle gives names for the 4 daughters Gertrude bore Henry and the
only comment given is the _Genealogia's_ remark that one of the four was a
great-grandmother of Frederick Barbarossa's wife, Beatrix of Burgundy. It was
long thought that this unknown daughter was to be identified with the wife of
one of the counts of Burgundy (i.e., the Franche-Comte') but more recently she
has been identified as Adelaide, wife of the duke of Lorraine, as in Ms
Andreasen's original post. I believe the first time I came across this
corrected descent was in _Die Ahnen Konradins_ (1970).
There is reason to believe at least one other of the 4 daughters married and
had issue. In an undated letter 1172 X 1190, Gertrude's descendant Count
Philip of Flanders addressed Count John I of Ponthieu as his kinsman
(*cognatus*--this term *can* signify brother-in-law, but the marriages of both
Philip and John are well documented and this was not the case, so there must
have been some blood relationship between them). The only way I have been able
to account for such a kinship between these two men would be to assume that
Count John's mother Ida, whose parentage is not known, was in some way a
descendant of Gertrude of Flanders. As the issue of her second marriage, to
duke Thiery II of Lorraine are well known, it seems likely that the link came
through Gertrude's first marriage. Ida could not have been a daughter of that
marriage, but she could have been a granddaughter. As no link has ever been
noted between the counts of Ponthieu and the dukes of Lorraine, I would think
that another of Gertrude's daughters by Henry would have been the more likely
ancestress, though neither the name nor the marriage of that daughter has yet
been established. Certainly the counts of Ponthieu did inherit some rights in
Flanders and a descent from Gertrude would easily account for this. See my
article, "The Origins of English Administration in Ponthieu: An Unnoticed
Document of 1280," *Mediaeval Studies*, 50 (1988), 371-403, esp. 385 and note
65. [Ref: John Carmi Parsons SGM 10/23/1998]
Pedigree of Gertrude Of Flanders
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Baldwin I Bras De Fer Count Of Flanders
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Baldwin II The Bald Count Of Flanders
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Judith
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Arnold I The Old Count Of Flanders
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Alfred The Great King Of England
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Alfthryth Of England
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Ealhswith
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Baldwin III Count Of Flanders
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Herbert I Count Of Vermandois
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Herbert II Count Of Vermandois
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Beatrice Of Morvois
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Alix De Vermandois
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Robert I King Of France
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Hildebrante/Liegarde/Adela
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Aelis
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Arnold II The Young Count Of Flanders
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Billung Count In Saxony
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Hermann Billung Duke Of Saxony
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Fraderuna
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Matilda Of Saxony
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Hildegarde Of Westerbourg
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Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders
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Amadeus Count In Payn De Langres
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Anchier Count Of Orcheret, Margrave Of Ivrea
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Adalbert The Rich Margrave Of Ivrea
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Berengar II King Of Italy
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Eberhard Margrave Of Friuli
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Berengar I King Of Italy
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Gisele
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Gisele Of Friuli
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Suppo Margrave Of Spoleto
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Bertila Of Spoleto
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Berta
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Rosela Of Italy
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Herbert Marquis Of Transjurian Burgundy
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Theobald Count Of Aries
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Boso Count Of Aries
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Lothair II The Saxon King Of Lorraine
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Bertha Of Lorraine
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Waldrada
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Willa Of Aries
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Conrad II Duke Of Transjurand Burgandy
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Rudolph I King Of Upper Burgundy
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Walrada
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Willa Of Tuscany
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Boso Of Vienne, King Of Provence
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Wille
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Baldwin V Count Of Flanders
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(Unk)
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Wigeric Count in Bidgau
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Siegfried Count Of Luxemburg
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Cunegunde
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Louis II The Stammerer King Of France
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Ermentrude Of France
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Adelaide
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Frederick I Count Of Luxemburg
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Eberhard III Count In Nordgau
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Hugh I Count In Abracian Nordgau
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Ebergard Count In The Nordgau, Count Of Alsace
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Hildegarde
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Hedwig Of Nordgau
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Bertha
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Ogive Of Luxembourg
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Eudes Count In Lahngau
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Gebhard Duke Of Lorraine
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Judith
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Udo Count In The Wetterau
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Ita
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Herbert I Count In The Kinziggau
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Pepin Count Of Senlis, Peronne, & St. Quentin
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Herbert I Count Of Vermandois
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(Unk Dau) Of Vermandois
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Cunegundis Of Vermandois
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Guerra I Count Of Morvois
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Beatrice Of Morvois
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Eve Of Roussillon
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Ermentrude Of Kinziggau
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Eberhard I Count In Ortenau
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Eberhard II Count In Bonngau
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Wiltrud
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Megingoz Count Of The Avalgau
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Gisela
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Irmentrude
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Gerhard Count In Metzgau
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Godfrey Duke Of Lorraine, Count Palatine
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Udo Of Saxony
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Gerberga
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Charles III The Simple King Of Franks
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Ermentrude Of France
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Frederuna
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Robert Le FRISON, Count Of Flanders
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Guiguin Rupert III Count In Wormgau
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Rupert IV The Strong Count Of Tours
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Wialdruth
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Robert I King Of France
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Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
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Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
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Ava
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Hugh Magnus Duke Of The Franks, Count Of Paris
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Pepin Count Of Senlis, Peronne, & St. Quentin
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Herbert I Count Of Vermandois
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(Unk Dau) Of Vermandois
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Beatrix Of Vermandois
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Guerra I Count Of Morvois
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Beatrice Of Morvois
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Eve Of Roussillon
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Hugh Capet King Of France
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Ludolph Duke Of Saxony
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Otto The Illustrious Duke Of Saxony
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Oda
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Henry I The Fowler King Of The Saxons
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Heinrich Of Thuringia, King Of Austriasia
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Hedwige/Hadui/Haduich
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Ingeltrud Of Friuli
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Hedwig Of Saxony
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(Unk)
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Dietrich Count in Westfalen
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Matilda
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Mechtilde Of Westfalen
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Ragenhilda
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Robert II The Pious King Of France
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Ranulf I Count Of Poitou
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Ranulf II Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine
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Bilchilda Of Maine
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Ebles Mancer Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine
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Louis II The Stammerer King Of France
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Irmgard
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Adelaide
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William I Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine
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Emliane
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Adelaide Of Poitou
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Ketil
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Hrolfr (Rollo) Duke Of Normandy
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Gerloc Of Normandy
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Berenger Count Of Bayeux
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Poppa
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Gurivant Count Of Rennes
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(Unk Dau)
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(Unk Dau) Heiress Of Brittany
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Adelaide Of France
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Rotbaudo Seigneur De Angelcas
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Boso II Count Of Provence
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Bernard Plantevalus Count Of Autun, Marquis Of Toulouse
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William Le Pieux, Duke Of Aquitaine
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Ermengard
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(Unk Dau) Of Aquitaine
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Boso Of Vienne, King Of Provence
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Ingelburga
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Ermengarde
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William I Count Of Aries And Provence
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Boso Of Vienne, King Of Provence
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Louis The Blind King Of Provence, Italy, Emperor
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Ermengarde
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Charles Constantine Count Of Vienna
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Leo VI The Philosopher Eastern Emperor
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Anna
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Zoe Tzautzina
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Constance
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Richard
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Warner Vicomte Of Sens And Troyes
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Teutberg
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Theobald Count Of Aries
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Teutberge
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Bertha Of Lorraine
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Constance Of Provence
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Tertellus Senmarchal Of The Gatinais
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Ingelger Count Of Anjou
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Petronel
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Fulk Le Roux Count Of Anjou
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Geoffrey Count Of The Gatinais
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Adela Of The Gatinais
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(Unk)
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Fulk II The Good Count Of Anjou
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Adalard Seigneur De Loches, Lahaye, Villentrois
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Werner Seigneur De Locher Villandry And La Stai
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Roscilla
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Forcanda
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Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou
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Gausfred Count Of Maine
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Gausfred
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(Unk Dau) Of Orleans
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Gausfred Count Of Nevers
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Gerberga Of Nevers
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Hector Noble Of Arverne
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Aba
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Bernard Plantevalus Count Of Autun, Marquis Of Toulouse
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Aba Abbess Of Sauxillanges
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Ermengard
Gertrude Of Flanders
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Billung Count In Saxony
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Hermann Billung Duke Of Saxony
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Fraderuna
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Bernard I Duke Of Saxony
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Hildegarde Of Westerbourg
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Bernard II Duke Of Saxony
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Lothar I Count Of Stade
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Liuthar Count Of Stade
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Bruno Count In Saxony
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Ludolph Duke Of Saxony
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Oda
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Oda Of Saxony
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Billung Count
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Oda
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Aeda
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Henry Count Of Stade
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Swanhilde
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Hildegard Of Stade
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Hildegard
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Gertrude Of Saxony
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Ernst Markgraf In Nordgau
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Ernst II Count Of Sualafeld
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Liutpold Margrave Of The Carinthian Mark
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Arnulf I The Bad Duke Of Bavaria
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Erchanger Count In Swabia
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Berhold Pfalzgraf Of Swabia
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Kunigunde
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Kuningunde
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Berthold I Margrave Of The Bavarian Nordgaus
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Eberhard Margrave Of Friuli
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Unroch Margrave Of Friuli
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Gisele
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Eberhard Count In The Salichgau
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Liutfried Duke
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Ava
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Judith
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Henrich Margrave Of Schweinfurt
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Lothar I Count Von Walbeck
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Lothar II Count Of Walbeck
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Eiliswintha Countess Of Walbeck
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Bruno Count Of Arnesburg
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Mathilda Of Arnsburg
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Frederick II Count Of Harzgau
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Volkmar Count In Harzgau
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Frederuna
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Eilika Of Schweinfurt
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Gebhard Count In The Nieder-Lahngau
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Eudes Count In Lahngau
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(Unk Dau) Of Friuli
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Gebhard Duke Of Lorraine
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Conrad I Of Burgandy, Count Of Auxerra
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Judith
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Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
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Udo Count In The Wetterau
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Ita
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Herbert I Count In The Kinziggau
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Bernard King Of Italy
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Pepin Count Of Senlis, Peronne, & St. Quentin
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Cunigunde
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Herbert I Count Of Vermandois
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Theoderic Count Of Vermandois
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(Unk Dau) Of Vermandois
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Cunegundis Of Vermandois
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Guerra I Count Of Morvois
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Beatrice Of Morvois
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Eve Of Roussillon
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Gerberga Of Gleiberg
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Eudes Count In Lahngau
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Eberhard I Count In Ortenau
| | \-----
Judith
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Eberhard II Count In Bonngau
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Walaho
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Wiltrud
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(Unk Dau)
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Megingoz Count Of The Avalgau
| | \-----
Gisela
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Irmentrude
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(Unk)
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Gerhard Count In Metzgau
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Godfrey Duke Of Lorraine, Count Palatine
| | | /-----
Otto The Illustrious Duke Of Saxony
| | \-----
Udo Of Saxony
| | \-----
Hedwige/Hadui/Haduich
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Gerberga
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Louis II The Stammerer King Of France
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Charles III The Simple King Of Franks
| | \-----
Adelaide
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Ermentrude Of France
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Dietrich Count in Westfalen
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Frederuna
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Ragenhilda
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