Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Richard Death: After Jan 962
- Hugobertus Death: After 960
- Constance Birth: 920
Death: Abt 963
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- date:
- (901) [Ref: ES II #189 (as replaced in III.1)]
- 901 [Ref: Settipani Nobles p66]
- 901/3 [Ref: Settipani LGA p9]
- abt 900/1 [Ref: Weis AR7 #141A]
- abt 901 [Ref: Brook ByzantineAnc p28, Settipani Capet #10]
- mid 900 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6],
- parents:
- [Ref: Brook ByzantineAnc p28, ES II #189 (as replaced in III.1),
Settipani Capet #10, Settipani Capet p348, Weis AR7 #141A],
- father:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6, CMH p336, Moriarty Plantagenet p259,
Settipani LGA p9, Settipani Nobles p66],
- mother:
- dotted line on chart [Ref: Settipani LGA p9]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- 962 [Ref: Settipani Capet #10]
- abt 962 [Ref: Brook ByzantineAnc p28, CMH p336, Moriarty Plantagenet
p237]
- abt Jan 962 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p259, Weis AR7 #141A]
- after 962 [Ref: Settipani LGA p9, Settipani Nobles p66]
- after Jan 962 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6, Moriarty Plantagenet p236]
- nach I 962 [Ref: ES II #189 (as replaced in III.1)]
- occ 962 [Ref: Settipani LGA p6]
Sources with Information about marriage to Teutberg
- names:
- [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p237, Moriarty Plantagenet p257],
- child:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6, ES II #189 (as replaced in III.1), Moriarty
Plantagenet p236, Moriarty Plantagenet p259, Settipani Capet #10, Settipani
LGA p6, Settipani LGA p9, Weis AR7 #141A]
Research Notes:
Count of Vienna [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6, Settipani Capet #10, Settipani LGA
p6, Weis AR7 #141A]
923: Count of Vienna [Ref: Settipani Capet #10]
926-962: Count of Vienna [Ref: Settipani LGA p6]
father is well known, but no document identifies his mother [Ref: Settipani
LGA p6]
most tenacious theory of identity of mother is from Rene Poupardin, who
asserted he was a bastard son of Louis III by a daughter of Leo VI [Ref:
Settipani LGA p6]
name 'Constantine' is unique among Frankish aristocracy [Ref: Settipani LGA
p7]
letter of Nicolas the Mystical testifies that Leon VI emperor of Byzantine,
father of Constantine VII, had united his daughter with a frank prince, cousin
of Berta of Tuscia, to which had arrived since a big misfortune. Almost
certainly Louis III, german cousin of Berta, who was blinded in 905 [Ref:
Settipani LGA p7]
birth can't be earlier than 901, but second daughter named Anna of Leo VI
indicates mother had died before May 11 903 [Ref: Settipani LGA p8]
It should first be remembered that definite proof of his maternity is lacking.
His father was certainly Emperor Louis the Blind, but Charles Constantin was
not able to inherit Provence from him or rights to imperial succession, and
becomae only count (or prince) of Vienne. His legitimacy is usually accepted,
although this was specifically denied by Richer. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM
11/19/2004-064908]
For all we know his possession of Vienne may be an indicator of his mother's
local origin & family rights - the name Constancius was not uncommon there in
the 10th century, and Constantinus also occurs: the latter may have been in
his case just a less usual variant of the former. It should be emphasised that
among his alleged descendants through Queen Constance the form is
"Constancia", not "Constantina"; and the name for some reason never crossed
back over the gender divide, in spite of her own son's choice of an exotic
Greek name for his heir Philippe when the purportedly ancestral Constantine
might have served his needs at least as well. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM
11/19/2004-064908]
Charles Constantin himself was married to a woman named Teutberga, who occurs
with him and two sons in a charter of ca 960. These boys were his only
recorded offspring, named Richard and Hugobert. They both disappear from the
record within a decade or so, and we don't know that either of them reached
adulthood or left descendants. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 11/19/2004-064908]
The popularity of the supposed Byzantine ancestry of Charles Constantin
through his mother derives mainly from an article about him by Charles
Previte-Orton in _English Historical Review_ 29 (1914), and more lately from
the theories of Christian Settipani. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM
11/19/2004-064908]
The man's proper name was simply "Carolus", from his Western imperial
ancestor, as shown by a diploma of his father and his own charters; he is
called "Constantinus" in addition to this by Flodoard copied later by Richer.
If a second name had been conferred on him in order to emphasise a Byzantine
ancestry, first this would most probably NOT have been "Constantinus" (since
his purported Eastern imperial grandfather was named Leo, and anyway the names
Constant and Constantine were common enough amongst Franks to make for a quite
different set of associations in most minds locally), and secondly one would
expect in such circumtances to find that the man himself and his own father
would have used the dynastic name pairing rather than ommitting the second
element so that this comes down to us only incidentally and from a couple of
strangers writing elsewhere.
The stronger likelihood seems to me that Charles was the son of an unknown
concubine, whose family used the second name Constantine (by which he could be
identified as from a bastard lineage, as Richer tells us), and perhaps held
possessions and influence in Vienne, explaining his comparative scrap of
rights from his paternal ancestry.
The name Constantia that appeared in the comital family of Provence is not
the direct feminine of Constnatinus - this would obviously be Constantina -
and was only used for females in descent from this later original, who is
sometimes held to be a daughter or sister of Charles Constantine: however, the
male name "Constant", or "Constantine" for that matter, does not occur as
might be expected if this had any kind of dynastic significance tracing to
Charles Constantine himself much less to his alleged Byzantine ancestry.
The name Constantine was used by Franks quite frequently from the late 7th
century onwards, and filtered up to the feudal aristocracy at least once
again, by the early 10th century, for a viscount of Aunay. It is false to
maintain that this was rare or held significance in relation to any Byzantine
figure apart from a reverence for Constantine the Great who has nothing to do
with this genealogy. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 2/10/2007-192653]
Reginald Lane Poole suggested that Floadoard called Charles "Constantinus" not
as a second name but as a byname to place him, indicating that he was from
Arles (occasionally, though rarely, referred to as "Constantina
urbs"). [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 2/10/2007-212728]
Pedigree of Charles Constantine Count Of Vienna
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Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Aupais
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Hieronymus Count
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Richard Count Of Rouen
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Ercheswindis
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Richard Count Of Amiens
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Budwine Count Of Metz
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Boso Of Vienne, King Of Provence
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Boso I Count Of Arles And Tuscany
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Boso II Count Of Arles And Tuscany
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Boso III The Old Count Of Arles And Tuscany
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Richilda
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Louis The Blind King Of Provence, Italy, Emperor
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Pepin The Short King Of The Franks
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Chrotrudis
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Charlemagne King Of France
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Caribert Count Of Laon
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Bertha Of Laon, Countess Of Laon
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Gisele
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Agilolf
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Emma
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Hersuinde
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Lothair I King Of Italy, Emperor Of The West
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Sigramine Count Of Hasbania
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Gunderland Count Of Hasbania
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Landrade
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Ingerman Count Of Hasbaye
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Ermengarde Of Haspengau
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Louis II King Of Italy, Emperor
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Adelbert Duke Of Alsace
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Luitfriede I Duke Of Alsace
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Gerlinde
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Luitfriede II Count Of Alsace
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Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
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Hiltrude
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Ermengarde Of Tours
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Ava
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Ermengarde
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Engelberge
Charles Constantine Count Of Vienna
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Georgios
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Leon
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Michael The Amorian Eastern Emperor
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Theophilus Eastern Emperor
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Bardanios
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Thekla
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Dominika
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Michael III Eastern Emperor
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Artavazd Mamikonian, Nakharar
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Hemayakes Mamikonian, Nakharar
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Artavazd Mamikonian, Nakharar
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Marinos
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Konon Of Syria, Gov Commagen
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Leo III Eastern Emperor
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Eudoxia Justina
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Anna
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Terval Khan Of Bulgarians
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Maria Of Bulgars
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Anastasia
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Saint Theodora
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Philaretos Consul
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Iohannes Spatharios
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Theosebia
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Bardas
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Leon Patrice
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Eirene
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Anna
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Theoctiste-Florine
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Leo VI The Philosopher Eastern Emperor
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Ingvarr
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Eudocia Ingerina
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Martinos
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Anastosios Martinakios
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Constantine V Copronymus Eastern Emperor
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Eudocia
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Eudokia
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Martinakia
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Anna
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