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Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Richard Death: After Jan 962
  2. Hugobertus Death: After 960
  3. Constance Birth: 920 Death: Abt 963

Bibliography
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  7. Stewart, Peter, Mother of Charles Constantine, Count of Vienne. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 2/10/2007. Subject: Charles Constantine, Count of Vienne: identity of his mother. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/QlGtrThvGEI/m/K7YVVUZhlJAJ. Author address: p_m_stewart at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 2/10/2007-192653].
  8. Stewart, Peter, Charles Constantine, Count of Vienne--significance of the name Constantinus. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 2/10/2007. Subject: Charles Constantine, Count of Vienne: identity of hismother. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/QlGtrThvGEI/m/3LhdvwCPWNAJ. Author address: p_m_stewart at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 2/10/2007-212728].
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Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
(901) [Ref: ES II #189 (as replaced in III.1)]
901 [Ref: Settipani Nobles p66]
901/3 [Ref: Settipani LGA p9]
abt 900/1 [Ref: Weis AR7 #141A]
abt 901 [Ref: Brook ByzantineAnc p28, Settipani Capet #10]
mid 900 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6],
parents:
[Ref: Brook ByzantineAnc p28, ES II #189 (as replaced in III.1), Settipani Capet #10, Settipani Capet p348, Weis AR7 #141A],
father:
[Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6, CMH p336, Moriarty Plantagenet p259, Settipani LGA p9, Settipani Nobles p66],
mother:
dotted line on chart [Ref: Settipani LGA p9]
Sources for death Information
date:
962 [Ref: Settipani Capet #10]
abt 962 [Ref: Brook ByzantineAnc p28, CMH p336, Moriarty Plantagenet p237]
abt Jan 962 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p259, Weis AR7 #141A]
after 962 [Ref: Settipani LGA p9, Settipani Nobles p66]
after Jan 962 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6, Moriarty Plantagenet p236]
nach I 962 [Ref: ES II #189 (as replaced in III.1)]
occ 962 [Ref: Settipani LGA p6]
Sources with Information about marriage to Teutberg
names:
[Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p237, Moriarty Plantagenet p257],
child:
[Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6, ES II #189 (as replaced in III.1), Moriarty Plantagenet p236, Moriarty Plantagenet p259, Settipani Capet #10, Settipani LGA p6, Settipani LGA p9, Weis AR7 #141A]
Research Notes:
Count of Vienna [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6, Settipani Capet #10, Settipani LGA p6, Weis AR7 #141A]

923: Count of Vienna [Ref: Settipani Capet #10]

926-962: Count of Vienna [Ref: Settipani LGA p6]

father is well known, but no document identifies his mother [Ref: Settipani LGA p6]

most tenacious theory of identity of mother is from Rene Poupardin, who asserted he was a bastard son of Louis III by a daughter of Leo VI [Ref: Settipani LGA p6]

name 'Constantine' is unique among Frankish aristocracy [Ref: Settipani LGA p7]

letter of Nicolas the Mystical testifies that Leon VI emperor of Byzantine, father of Constantine VII, had united his daughter with a frank prince, cousin of Berta of Tuscia, to which had arrived since a big misfortune. Almost certainly Louis III, german cousin of Berta, who was blinded in 905 [Ref: Settipani LGA p7]

birth can't be earlier than 901, but second daughter named Anna of Leo VI indicates mother had died before May 11 903 [Ref: Settipani LGA p8]

It should first be remembered that definite proof of his maternity is lacking. His father was certainly Emperor Louis the Blind, but Charles Constantin was not able to inherit Provence from him or rights to imperial succession, and becomae only count (or prince) of Vienne. His legitimacy is usually accepted, although this was specifically denied by Richer. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 11/19/2004-064908]

For all we know his possession of Vienne may be an indicator of his mother's local origin & family rights - the name Constancius was not uncommon there in the 10th century, and Constantinus also occurs: the latter may have been in his case just a less usual variant of the former. It should be emphasised that among his alleged descendants through Queen Constance the form is "Constancia", not "Constantina"; and the name for some reason never crossed back over the gender divide, in spite of her own son's choice of an exotic Greek name for his heir Philippe when the purportedly ancestral Constantine might have served his needs at least as well. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 11/19/2004-064908]

Charles Constantin himself was married to a woman named Teutberga, who occurs with him and two sons in a charter of ca 960. These boys were his only recorded offspring, named Richard and Hugobert. They both disappear from the record within a decade or so, and we don't know that either of them reached adulthood or left descendants. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 11/19/2004-064908]

The popularity of the supposed Byzantine ancestry of Charles Constantin through his mother derives mainly from an article about him by Charles Previte-Orton in _English Historical Review_ 29 (1914), and more lately from the theories of Christian Settipani. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 11/19/2004-064908]

The man's proper name was simply "Carolus", from his Western imperial ancestor, as shown by a diploma of his father and his own charters; he is called "Constantinus" in addition to this by Flodoard copied later by Richer. If a second name had been conferred on him in order to emphasise a Byzantine ancestry, first this would most probably NOT have been "Constantinus" (since his purported Eastern imperial grandfather was named Leo, and anyway the names Constant and Constantine were common enough amongst Franks to make for a quite different set of associations in most minds locally), and secondly one would expect in such circumtances to find that the man himself and his own father would have used the dynastic name pairing rather than ommitting the second element so that this comes down to us only incidentally and from a couple of strangers writing elsewhere.
The stronger likelihood seems to me that Charles was the son of an unknown concubine, whose family used the second name Constantine (by which he could be identified as from a bastard lineage, as Richer tells us), and perhaps held possessions and influence in Vienne, explaining his comparative scrap of rights from his paternal ancestry.
The name Constantia that appeared in the comital family of Provence is not the direct feminine of Constnatinus - this would obviously be Constantina - and was only used for females in descent from this later original, who is sometimes held to be a daughter or sister of Charles Constantine: however, the male name "Constant", or "Constantine" for that matter, does not occur as might be expected if this had any kind of dynastic significance tracing to Charles Constantine himself much less to his alleged Byzantine ancestry.
The name Constantine was used by Franks quite frequently from the late 7th century onwards, and filtered up to the feudal aristocracy at least once again, by the early 10th century, for a viscount of Aunay. It is false to maintain that this was rare or held significance in relation to any Byzantine figure apart from a reverence for Constantine the Great who has nothing to do with this genealogy. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 2/10/2007-192653]

Reginald Lane Poole suggested that Floadoard called Charles "Constantinus" not as a second name but as a byname to place him, indicating that he was from Arles (occasionally, though rarely, referred to as "Constantina urbs"). [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 2/10/2007-212728]



Pedigree of Charles Constantine Count Of Vienna
                                                                /-----Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
                                                       /-----Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
                                                      |         \-----Aupais
                                              /-----Hieronymus Count
                                     /-----Richard Count Of Rouen
                                    |         \-----Ercheswindis
                            /-----Richard Count Of Amiens
                   /-----Budwine Count Of Metz
          /-----Boso Of Vienne, King Of Provence
         |        |                           /-----Boso I Count Of Arles And Tuscany
         |        |                  /-----Boso II Count Of Arles And Tuscany
         |        |         /-----Boso III The Old Count Of Arles And Tuscany
         |         \-----Richilda
 /-----Louis The Blind King Of Provence, Italy, Emperor
|        |                                                      /-----Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
|        |                                             /-----Pepin The Short King Of The Franks
|        |                                            |         \-----Chrotrudis
|        |                                    /-----Charlemagne King Of France
|        |                                   |        |         /-----Caribert Count Of Laon
|        |                                   |         \-----Bertha Of Laon, Countess Of Laon
|        |                                   |                  \-----Gisele
|        |                           /-----Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
|        |                          |        |                  /-----Agilolf
|        |                          |        |         /-----Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
|        |                          |         \-----Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
|        |                          |                 |         /-----Hnabi Duke Of Alamannia, Count In The Linzgau
|        |                          |                  \-----Emma
|        |                          |                           \-----Hersuinde
|        |                  /-----Lothair I King Of Italy, Emperor Of The West
|        |                 |        |                           /-----Sigramine Count Of Hasbania
|        |                 |        |                  /-----Gunderland Count Of Hasbania
|        |                 |        |                 |         \-----Landrade
|        |                 |        |         /-----Ingerman Count Of Hasbaye
|        |                 |         \-----Ermengarde Of Haspengau
|        |         /-----Louis II King Of Italy, Emperor
|        |        |        |                                    /-----Adelbert Duke Of Alsace
|        |        |        |                           /-----Luitfriede I Duke Of Alsace
|        |        |        |                          |         \-----Gerlinde
|        |        |        |                  /-----Luitfriede II Count Of Alsace
|        |        |        |         /-----Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
|        |        |        |        |         \-----Hiltrude
|        |        |         \-----Ermengarde Of Tours
|        |        |                  \-----Ava
|         \-----Ermengarde
|                  \-----Engelberge
Charles Constantine Count Of Vienna
|                                                      /-----Georgios
|                                             /-----Leon
|                                    /-----Michael The Amorian Eastern Emperor
|                           /-----Theophilus Eastern Emperor
|                          |        |         /-----Bardanios
|                          |         \-----Thekla
|                          |                  \-----Dominika
|                  /-----Michael III Eastern Emperor
|                 |        |                                    /-----Artavazd Mamikonian, Nakharar
|                 |        |                           /-----Hemayakes Mamikonian, Nakharar
|                 |        |                  /-----Artavazd Mamikonian, Nakharar
|                 |        |         /-----Marinos
|                 |        |        |        |                  /-----Konon Of Syria, Gov Commagen
|                 |        |        |        |         /-----Leo III Eastern Emperor
|                 |        |        |        |        |         \-----Eudoxia Justina
|                 |        |        |         \-----Anna
|                 |        |        |                 |         /-----Terval Khan Of Bulgarians
|                 |        |        |                  \-----Maria Of Bulgars
|                 |        |        |                           \-----Anastasia
|                 |         \-----Saint Theodora
|                 |                 |                           /-----Philaretos Consul
|                 |                 |                  /-----Iohannes Spatharios
|                 |                 |                 |         \-----Theosebia
|                 |                 |         /-----Bardas
|                 |                 |        |        |         /-----Leon Patrice
|                 |                 |        |         \-----Eirene
|                 |                 |        |                  \-----Anna
|                 |                  \-----Theoctiste-Florine
|         /-----Leo VI The Philosopher Eastern Emperor
|        |        |         /-----Ingvarr
|        |         \-----Eudocia Ingerina
|        |                 |                  /-----Martinos
|        |                 |         /-----Anastosios Martinakios
|        |                 |        |        |                  /-----Constantine V Copronymus Eastern Emperor
|        |                 |        |        |         /-----(Unk)
|        |                 |        |        |        |         \-----Eudocia
|        |                 |        |         \-----Eudokia
|        |                  \-----Martinakia
 \-----Anna
         |                  /-----Tzantzes TZAUTZES
         |         /-----Stylianos TZAUTZES
          \-----Zoe Tzautzina



Descendants of Charles Constantine Count Of Vienna
1. Charles Constantine Count Of Vienna m. Teutberg
m. Teutberg father: Warner Vicomte Of Sens And Troyes mother: Teutberge

2nd generation

2. Richard m.
4. Constance m. Boso II Count Of Provence
m. Boso II Count Of Provence father: Rotbaudo Seigneur De Angelcas mother: (Unk Dau) Of Aquitaine

3rd generation

5. Fredeberga m. Guigues IV Sire De Vion
m. Guigues IV Sire De Vion father: Guigues III Sire De Vion
6. Rotbald II Count Of Provence m. Eimildia Of Gevaundan
m. Eimildia Of Gevaundan father: Stephen De Brioude mother: Anne
7. William I Count Of Aries And Provence m1. Arsenda Of Carcassone m2. Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou m3. (Unk Dau)
m. Arsenda Of Carcassone father: Arnold I Count Of Carcassone mother: Arsinde Heiress Of Carcassone
m. Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou father: Fulk II The Good Count Of Anjou mother: Gerberga Of Nevers
m. (Unk Dau) father: Aymon I Seigneur De Bourbon mother: Alsende

4th generation

9. Guigues V Sire Of Vion m. Gatelena De Clerieu
m. Gatelena De Clerieu father: Silaran Sire De Clerieu mother: Willa
11. Rotbold Count Of Provence m. Ermengarde
m. Ermengarde
12. Gerberge m. Armengol I Count Of Urgel
m. Armengol I Count Of Urgel father: Borrell II Count Of Barcelona mother: Luitgard
13. Constance m. Boniface I Of Reillane
m. Boniface I Of Reillane
15. Toda Of Provence m. Bernardo I Count Of Besalu
m. Bernardo I Count Of Besalu father: Oliva II Cabreta Count Of Cerdagne And Besalu mother: Ermengarda
16. Constance Of Provence m. Robert II The Pious King Of France
m. Robert II The Pious King Of France father: Hugh Capet King Of France mother: Adelaide Of Poitou
17. William II Count Of Aries And Provence m. Gerberga Of Burgundy
m. Gerberga Of Burgundy father: Otto William Count Of Burgundy, Nevers, And Dijon mother: Ermentrude Of Roucy

5th generation

20. Guigues VI Count Of Albon m1. Gatelena De Clerieu m2. Adelaide Of Susa
m. Gatelena De Clerieu father: Silaran Sire De Clerieu mother: Willa
m. Adelaide Of Susa father: Otto Count Of Savoy, Marquess Of Turin mother: Adelaide Markgrafin Of Susa
22. Emma Of Provence m. William III Taileffer Count Of Toulouse
m. William III Taileffer Count Of Toulouse father: Raymond IV Count Of Toulouse mother: Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou
23. Ermengand II Count Of Urgel m. Constance Valasquita
m. Constance Valasquita father: Bernardo I Count Of Besalu mother: Toda Of Provence
24. Adelaix Of Reillane m. Guillaume Lord Of Apt
m. Guillaume Lord Of Apt father: Humbert Lord Of Apt mother: Inaurie
25. Guillermo I Count Of Besalu m. Adelaida
m. Adelaida
26. Constance Valasquita m. Ermengand II Count Of Urgel
m. Ermengand II Count Of Urgel father: Armengol I Count Of Urgel mother: Gerberge
31. Garsenda Of Besalu m. Berenger I Vicount Of Narbonne
m. Berenger I Vicount Of Narbonne father: Raimond Vicount Of Narbonne mother: Richarde
32. Adelaida Of Bosalu m. Ponce I Count Of Ampurias
m. Ponce I Count Of Ampurias father: Hugo I Count Of Ampurias mother: Guisla Of Bezieres
34. Alvais Of France m. Renaud I Count Of Nevers
m. Renaud I Count Of Nevers father: Laundry III Seigneur De Maers And De Monceau mother: Matilda Of Burgundy
36. Henry I King Of France m1. Mathilde m2. Mathilde Of Friesland m3. Anne Of Kiev
m. Mathilde father: Conrad II The Salic King Of Germany mother: Gisele Of Swabia
m. Mathilde Of Friesland father: Liudolf (Ludwig) Margrave Of Westfriesland mother: Gertrudis
m. Anne Of Kiev father: Jaroslav I Grand Prince Of Kiev mother: Ingegard
37. Adelaide Of France m1. Richard III Duke Of Normandy m2. Baldwin V Count Of Flanders
m. Richard III Duke Of Normandy father: Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy mother: Judith Of Brittany
m. Baldwin V Count Of Flanders father: Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders mother: Ogive Of Luxembourg
38. Robert The Old Duke Of Burgundy m1. Helle Of Semur En Auxois m2. Ermengarde Of Anjou
m. Helle Of Semur En Auxois father: Dalmus I Of Semur En Auxois mother: Aremburge De Vergy
m. Ermengarde Of Anjou father: Fulk III The Black Count Of Anjou mother: Hildegarde Of Metz
39. Fulk Bertrad I Count Of Provence m. Hildegarde
m. Hildegarde father: William III Taileffer Count Of Toulouse mother: Emma Of Provence
40. Geoffrey Count Of Provence m. Stephanie De MARSELLA, Countess Of Provence
m. Stephanie De MARSELLA, Countess Of Provence father: Guillermo II De MARSELLA, Vicount Of Marsella mother: Estefania De RIANS