Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Ermentrude Of Kinziggau Death: After 995
- Gerberga Of Gleiberg Death: After 1036
- Gebhard Count Death: 8 Nov 1016
- Otto Von Hammerstein Count In Wetterau Birth: Abt 975
Death: Abt 5 Jun 1036
Marriage:
Bibliography
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Brandenburg, Erich, Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen, Faksimile-Nachdruck von 1935 (Facsimile reproduction of 1935), mit Korrekturen und Erganzungen versehen von (with corrections and additions provided by) Manfred Dreiss und Lupold v. Lehsten. Neustadt an der Aisch:Verlag Degener, 1995. NYPL ATH (Charlemagne) 96-4768. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p[0-9]*].
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- parents:
- [Ref: ES I.1 #8, HenryII ermen100 4/5/2007, HenryII gerbe001
4/5/2007, HenryII megin000 4/15/2007, HenryII nn000001 4/5/2007, John Carmi
Parsons SGM 9/17/1998, Moriarty Plantagenet p206, Moriarty Plantagenet p23,
Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/8/2002-204050],
- father:
- [Ref: ES I #11, Paget HRHCharles p54],
- mother:
- [Ref: Settipani Conradiens p137]
Sources with Information about marriage to Herbert I Count In The Kinziggau
- date:
- first marriage of Ermentrude [Ref: John Carmi Parsons SGM 9/17/1998],
- names:
- [Ref: HenryII gerbe001 4/5/2007, HenryII megin000 4/15/2007, Moriarty
Plantagenet p206],
- child:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6, Brandenburg 1995 p92, ES I #11, ES I.1 #8,
HenryII ermen100 4/5/2007, HenryII frede000 4/5/2007, HenryII nn000001
4/5/2007, John Carmi Parsons SGM 9/17/1998, Moriarty Plantagenet p23, Moriarty
Plantagenet p24, Paget HRHCharles p54, Weis AR7 #143]
Sources with Information about marriage to Ratpoto Count In Bavaria
- date:
- second marriage of Ermentrude [Ref: John Carmi Parsons SGM 9/17/1998]
Research Notes:
Not everyone in the past has given Heribert of Kinziggau as the husband of
Irmintrude. Vanderkindere (1902) vol. 1, pp. 164ff. (see table p. 179) stated
that Irmintrude married first to a count Richard (parent of NN, wife of
Frederick) and then to Arnoul de Florennes, but his theory is based on little
more than the identification of two women named Irmintrude.
The attribution of Heribert as Irmintrude's husband was apparently first
proposed by Schenk zu Schweinsberg, Genealogische Studien zur Reichsgeschichte
I & II, in Archiv fr hessische Geschichte und Altertumskunde 3 (1904), 6
(1909), and has been widely accepted since then. Although I have not seen this
work by Schenk zu Schweinsberg, I have picked up the main outline of the
argument from other sources, primarily Hlawitschka and Jackman. The basic
primary source for this is "Genealogia Ottonis et Irmingardis", a short item
found associated with documents from the synod of Seligenstadt (1023), which
discussed, among other things, the canonically prohibited marriage of Otto of
Hammerstein and Irmingard of Verdun. The item is short enough to quote in
full:
"Gebehard et Udo nepotes, fi1ii duorum fratrum. Gebehard genuit Cunonem. Udo
genuit Ottonem. Cuno genuit Cunonem. Heribertus genuit Ottonem. Item ex a1ia
parte Godefridus et Gerbirhc nepos et neptis. Godefridus genuit Irmingardam.
Gerbirhc genuit Imizam. Imiza genuit 0ttonem."
[The above is quoted in both Hlawitschka (p. 49) and Jackman (p. 18)]
Of these, it is the second that is relevant to the identity of Frederick's
father-in-law. It tells how Otto of Hammerstein (son of Heribert of Kinziggau)
was related to his wife Irmingard, but without giving the full details of the
earlier generations:
NN
_________|_________
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NN NN
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Godefridus Gerbirhc
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Irmingardis Imiza
|
Otto
This shows that Heribert's wife was a certain Imiza, daughter of Gerberga.
As Imiza is a nickname for Irmintrude, it was suggested that Otto's mother
Imiza/Irmintrude, daughter of a Gerberga, was the same person as Frederick of
Luxemburg's mother-in-law Irmintrude, also daughter of a Gerberga. A piece of
supporting evidence beyond the identification of the mother daughter pair
Gerberga-Irmintrude can be noted. A daughter of Frederick of Luxemburg, named
Imiza (note the use of the same nicname as Heribert's wife) called "de
Glizperch" or "de Glizberch" (i.e., of Gleiberg), was the wife of count Welf
of the "first" Welf family, and mother of Cuniza, who married Adalberto Azzo
of Este and became ancestor of the "second" house of Welf. [See Genealogia
Welforum, MGH SS 13, 734; Historia Welforum Weingartensis, MGH SS 21, 460.] It
appears that Gleiberg (located in Konradiner territory) came into the
possession of the house of Luxemburg through the marriage of Frederick with
Heribert's daughter, but I have not seen the direct evidence for this cited.
The Luxemburg connections to Gleiberg are clear from the Welf genealogies
mentioned above. I would still like to see direct evidence placing the
Konradiners in possession of Gleiberg.
In any case, it seems that the above identification of the Irmintrudes and
Gerbergas is widely accepted. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/8/2002-204050]
Pedigree of Irmentrude
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Hadrian Lord In The Worms
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Emma
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Eudes Count Of Orleans
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Adalelmus
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Waldast
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Gebhard Count In The Nieder-Lahngau
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Girard Count Of Paris
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Leuthard Count Of Fezenac
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Rotrude
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Engeltrude
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Grimihild
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Eudes Count In Lahngau
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Hunroch Count of Ternois
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(Unk Dau) Of Friuli
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Girard Count Of Paris
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Begue Count Of Paris
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Rotrude
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Engeltron Of Paris
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Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
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Aupals
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Eberhard I Count In Ortenau
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Guelph Duke Of Fruili, Count Of Bavaria
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Ruthardus Duke Of Bavaria
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Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
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Conrad I Of Burgandy, Count Of Auxerra
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(Unk) Saxon
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Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
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Judith
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Luitfriede I Duke Of Alsace
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Luitfriede II Count Of Alsace
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Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
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Hiltrude
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Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
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Ava
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Eberhard II Count In Bonngau
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Walaho
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Wiltrud
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Turincbertus
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Rupert II Count In Wormgau
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Guiguin Rupert III Count In Wormgau
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Theoderata
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Rupert IV The Strong Count Of Tours
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Hadrian Lord In The Worms
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Emma
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Wialdruth
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Adalelmus
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Waldast
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(Unk Dau)
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Luitfriede I Duke Of Alsace
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Luitfriede II Count Of Alsace
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Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
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Hiltrude
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Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
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Ava
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Megingoz Count Of The Avalgau
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Gisela
Irmentrude
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(Unk)
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Gerhard Count In Metzgau
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Godfrey Duke Of Lorraine, Count Palatine
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Bruno I Warlord Of Saxons In Engern
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Berns Count In Saxony
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(Unk Dau) Of Assabrag
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Bruno Count In Saxony
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Hasela
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Ludolph Duke Of Saxony
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Oda
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Otto The Illustrious Duke Of Saxony
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Billung Count
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Oda
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Aeda
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Udo Of Saxony
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Heinerich/Heimo Count In Wetterau
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Heimerich/Heinrich Count In Wetterau
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Poppo I Count of Grabfeld
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Hadsburg
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Heinrich Of Thuringia, King Of Austriasia
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Hedwige/Hadui/Haduich
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Hunroch Count of Ternois
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Eberhard Margrave Of Friuli
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Begue Count Of Paris
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Engeltron Of Paris
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Aupals
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Ingeltrud Of Friuli
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Charlemagne King Of France
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Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
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Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
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Gisele
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Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
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Judith Of Bavaria
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Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
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Gerberga
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Pepin The Short King Of The Franks
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Charlemagne King Of France
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Bertha Of Laon, Countess Of Laon
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Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
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Emma
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Charles II The Bald King Of Franks, Emperor
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Ruthardus Duke Of Bavaria
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Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
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Judith Of Bavaria
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(Unk) Saxon
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Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
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Louis II The Stammerer King Of France
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Hadrian Lord In The Worms
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Emma
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Eudes Count Of Orleans
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Adalelmus
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Waldast
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Ermentrude Of Orleans
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Girard Count Of Paris
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Leuthard Count Of Fezenac
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Rotrude
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Engeltrude
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Grimihild
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Charles III The Simple King Of Franks
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Ulrich I Count In The Orgengau
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Emma
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Wulfhard
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Adalhard Count Of Paris
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Girard Count Of Paris
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Begue Count Of Paris
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Rotrude
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Susanna
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Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
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Aupals
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Adelaide
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Ermentrude Of France
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Widerkind Duke Of Westphalia
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Wikbert Count In Westphalia
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Geva
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Walbert Count In The Therwitugas
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Undrad
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(Unk)
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Eckbert The Loyal Count In Dreini And Ittergaus
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Immed I Count Of West Saxony
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Ida
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Altberg
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Dietrich Count in Westfalen
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(Unk) Saxon
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Eckbert The Loyal Count In Dreini And Ittergaus
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Matilda
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Dietrich The Riparian Count
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Ida
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Frederuna
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Ragenhilda
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