Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Eudes Count Of Vienna Birth: Abt 910
Death: After 19 Jun 946
- Alix De Vermandois Birth: Abt 915
Death: 960 in Bruges
- Albert I The Pious Count Of Vermandois Birth: Abt 915
Death: 8 Sep 987
- Robert Count Of Troyes Birth: Abt 915
Death: Abt 19 Aug 967
- Luitgarde De Vermandois Birth: Abt 920
Death: 27 May 985
- Hugh Archbishop Of Reims Birth: 920
Death: 962
- Herbert III De Vermandois, Count Of Meaux Birth: Abt 926
Death: Abt 982
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- date:
- (880) [Ref: ES I.1 #7]
- 880 [Ref: Settipani Capet p221]
- 880-890 [Ref: Weis AR7 #50]
- 880/90 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p6, Moriarty Plantagenet p9]
- abt 880 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p485, Settipani Capet #8]
- abt 880/90 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2]
- say 880 [Ref: HenryII herib001 5/23/2007],
- parents:
- [Ref: HenryII herib001 5/23/2007, Moriarty Plantagenet p6, Redlich
CharlemagneDesc p120, Weis AR7 #118, Weis AR7 #50],
- father:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2, ES I.1 #7, HenryII herib002 1/24/2011,
Richardson RoyalAnc v5p484, Roberts RD600 p562, Roberts RD600 p565, Roberts
USPres p195, Settipani Capet #8, Settipani Capet p221, Watney WALLOP #207],
- mother:
- Luitgardis de Troyes (?) [Ref: Settipani Capet #8],
- note:
- falsely attributed mother (fictional) Berthe dau of Guerri Count of
Morvois and his wife Eva [Ref: HenryII herib002 1/24/2011]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- [Ref: DeSaintPhalle Gatinais p243, ES I.1 #7, ES II #10, ES III.1 #49,
HenryII adele000 5/23/2007, HenryII herib001 5/23/2007, HenryII herib002
1/24/2011, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p485]
- 942 [Ref: Tapsell Dynasties p204]
- 943 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2, HenryII adele001 4/24/2008, Moriarty
Plantagenet p6, Moriarty Plantagenet p9, Settipani Capet #8, Settipani Capet
p221, Watney WALLOP #207, Weis AR7 #118, Weis AR7 #48]
- abt 943 [Ref: Redlich CharlemagneDesc p120, Weis AR7 #50],
- place:
- [Ref: Weis AR7 #50]
Sources for burial Information
- place:
- [Ref: ES I.1 #7, HenryII herib002 1/24/2011, Richardson RoyalAnc
v5p485]
Sources with Information about marriage to Hildebrante/Liegarde/Adela
- date:
- av 907 [Ref: DeSaintPhalle Gatinais p243]
- vor 21.V 907 [Ref: ES I.1 #7]
- vor 907 [Ref: ES II #10, ES III.1 #49],
- names:
- Herbert II & Liegeard [Ref: Redlich CharlemagneDesc p120]
- Herbert II & dau King Robert I [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2]
- Herbert II & dau Robert King of France [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc
v5p485, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p495]
- Herbert II & dau Robert [Ref: DeSaintPhalle Gatinais p243]
- Heribert II & Adela [Ref: ES I.1 #7]
- Heribert II & Adela(?) dau Robert I of France [Ref: Settipani Capet
#8]
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herib002 1/24/2011, HenryII nn000002 2/23/2009, HenryII rober005 5/23/2007,
HenryII rober101 2/23/2009],
- child:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p4, ES I.1 #7, ES III.1 #49, HenryII adele000
5/23/2007, HenryII herib002 1/24/2011, HenryII rober005 5/23/2007, Moriarty
Plantagenet p6, Paget HRHCharles p135, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p120, Redlich
CharlemagneDesc p269, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p485, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p495,
Roberts RD600 p562, Roberts RD600 p565, Roberts RD600 p568, Roberts USPres
p195, Settipani Capet #8, Watney WALLOP #207, Weis AR7 #118, Weis AR7 #136,
Weis AR7 #48, Weis AR7 #50]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
- child:
- Adelaide (#10806) wife of Geoffrey Grisgonelle [Ref: Todd Farmerie SGM
5/22/1997-010102, Watney WALLOP #9]
Research Notes:
Count of Vermandois [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2, DeSaintPhalle Gatinais p243,
HenryII adele000 5/23/2007, HenryII herib001 5/23/2007, HenryII herib002
1/24/2011, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p484, Roberts RD600 p562, Roberts RD600 p565,
Roberts RD600 p568, Settipani Capet #8, Settipani Capet p221, Weis AR7 #118,
Weis AR7 #48, Weis AR7 #50]
Count of Meaux [Ref: HenryII herib001 5/23/2007, HenryII herib002 1/24/2011,
Richardson RoyalAnc v5p484, Settipani Capet #8]
Count of Soissons [Ref: HenryII herib001 5/23/2007, HenryII herib002
1/24/2011, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p484, Settipani Capet #8]
Count de Troyes [Ref: Settipani Capet p221, Weis AR7 #118, Weis AR7 #48, Weis
AR7 #50]
Count of Champagne [Ref: Tapsell Dynasties p204]
Lay-Abbot of Saint-Crepin and Saint-Medard (Soissons) [Ref: HenryII herib001
5/23/2007, HenryII herib002 1/24/2011]
6 Nov 907: first appears, as lay-abbot of Saint-Medard de Soissons [Ref:
HenryII herib002 1/24/2011]
30 May 914: appears as a witness to a charter of Robert (of Newstria) and his
son Hugues [Ref: HenryII herib002 1/24/2011]
923: using false promises of safe conduct, he captured king Charles the
Simple [Ref: HenryII herib002 1/24/2011]
-942: Count of Champagne, as Herbert I [Ref: Tapsell Dynasties p204]
died in 943, and his lands were distributed among his sons in 946 [Ref:
HenryII herib002 1/24/2011]
This was a double marriage alliance concluded between King Robert and Herbert
II of Vermandois; Robert was married to Beatrice "in or by the late 890's"
(Andrew W. Lewis, _Royal Succession in Capetian France (Harvard, 1981), p.
11); Herbert II had married Robert's daughter by 907 (ibid.). This double
alliance strengthened the relationship of the two houses; the Vermandois
counts had previously supported the Carolingians (Charles the Simple) against
king Odo; but in 922 Vermandois supported Robert's succesful bid for the
throne. See also Jean Dunbabbin, _France in the Making, 843-1180 (Oxford,
1985), p. 95. [Ref: Nat Taylor SGM 11/4/1995-B]
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Europaische Stammtafeln I.1 #7 ("Die Karlinger IV, Grafen von Vermandois
896-1085"):
Heribert II, 900-907 Gf v Meaux Soissons u Vermandois, 907 Abt v St Medard zu
Soissons *(880) d. 23.II 942 u. Saint-Quentin; m. vor 21.V 907 Adela T v Hz
Robert v Neustrien (Capet); children: Odo, Adela, Heribert d Alte, Robert,
Adalbert, Ledgard, Hugo [Ref: ES I.1 #7]
Pedigree of Herbert II Count Of Vermandois
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Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Aupais
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Pepin The Short King Of The Franks
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Lambertus II Of Hesbaye
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Chrotrudis
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Charlemagne King Of France
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(Unk Son) Of Bavaria
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Caribert Count Of Laon
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Bertrade De Preum
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Bertha Of Laon, Countess Of Laon
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Gisele
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Karlman (Pepin) King Of Italy And Bavaria
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Agilolf
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
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Houching Duke Of Alamannia
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Hnabi Duke Of Alamannia, Count In The Linzgau
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Emma
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Hersuinde
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Bernard King Of Italy
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Duke Ansgise Mayor Of The Palace To Siegbert
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Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
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Saint Begga Of Landen
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Childebrand
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Aupais
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Bernard Duke, Abbot Of Saint Quentin
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Saint Leutwinus De Treves, Bishop Of Trier
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Gui Abbot Of Fontenelle
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Willigarde
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Chrothais
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Chariveus Count Of Laon
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Chrolanda
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Irmina
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Therres
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Chariveus Count Of Laon
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(Unk Son) Of Bavaria
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Irmina
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Caribert Count Of Laon
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Theoderic III King Of Franks, King Of Burgundy
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Bertrade De Preum
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Dode
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(Unk Dau) Of Laon
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Gisele
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Pepin Count Of Senlis, Peronne, & St. Quentin
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Barnier
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Thiery (Not Makhir) Count Of Autun
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(Unk Son) Of Bavaria
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Rolanda
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Bertrade De Preum
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Saint William Count Of Auton, Marquis Of Septimania
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Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Aupais
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Auda
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Lambertus II Of Hesbaye
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Chrotrudis
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Caribert
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Kunigunde
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Cunigunde
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Herbert I Count Of Vermandois
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Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
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Childebrand I Duke Of Provence
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Niebelung I Historian, Lord Of Perrency
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Niebelung II Count Of Hesbaye
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Niebelung III Count Of Burgundy
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Barnier
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Thiery (Not Makhir) Count Of Autun
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(Unk Son) Of Bavaria
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Rolanda
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Bertrade De Preum
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Bertha
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Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Aupais
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Auda
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Lambertus II Of Hesbaye
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Chrotrudis
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Theoderic Count Of Vermandois
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(Unk Dau) Of Vermandois
Herbert II Count Of Vermandois
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Guerra I Count Of Morvois
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Beatrice Of Morvois
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Eve Of Roussillon
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