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Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Simon De JOINVILLE, Seigneur De Joinville Death: May 1233

Marriage: Children:
  1. Mary Of Montmirail Death: Abt 20 Sep 1267
  2. Elizabeth Of Montmirail Death: After 1220

Bibliography
  1. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. III.1 (#1-#200): Herzogs und Grafenhauser des Heiligen Romischen Reiches Andere Europaische Furstenhauser. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1984. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES III.1 #[0-9]*].
  2. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. VII: Familien des Alten Lotharingien II. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1979. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES VII #[0-9]*].
  3. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. VIII: West-, Mittel- und Nordeuropaische Familien. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1980. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES VIII #[0-9]*].
  4. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. XIII: Les Familles Feodales de France I. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1990. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES XIII #[0-9]*].
  5. Paget, Gerald, The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales. London: Charles Skilton Ltd, 1977. Nypl ARF+ 78-835. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
parents:
[Ref: ES XIII #139, Paget HRHCharles p174],
father:
[Ref: ES VII #6]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
parents:
Guy I Vcte Troyes (#22239) & Helvide de Baudemont (#22240) [Ref: ES III.1 #51]
Sources for death Information
date:
occ 1195 [Ref: ES VII #6]
occ 1224 [Ref: ES XIII #139]
Sources for burial Information
place:
[Ref: ES XIII #139]
Sources with Information about marriage to Geoffrey IV Seneschall Of Champagne
child:
[Ref: ES VII #6]
Sources with Information about marriage to John Seigneur De Montmirel
date:
abt 1170 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p174]
vor 1194 [Ref: ES XIII #139],
child:
[Ref: ES VII #80, ES VIII #23, ES XIII #139, Paget HRHCharles p174]
Research Notes:
[ES III.1 #51] shows two separate Helvide's, first the daughter of Guy I who married Jeffrey Lord of Joinville, and the second the daughter of Guillium who married Jean de Montmirail. But [ES VII #6] for the entry of Geoffroi IV says wife was Helvide dau of Guillaum. [ES XIII #139] entry for Jean I de Montmirail agrees with [ES III.1 #51] that Helvide was dau of Guillaume. Since Geoffroi IV died at Acre c1190, and marriage to Jean I was before 1194, it is possible to be same person with two marriages [Ref: ES III.1 #51, ES VII #6, ES XIII #139]



Pedigree of Helvide Of Dampierre
                                                                /-----Raul De Cambrai
                                                       /-----Herve Castellan Of Chatillon
                                                      |         \-----Wivette Of Champagne
                                              /-----Geldoin Seigneur De Dampierre
                                             |         \-----Ghisely
                                     /-----Eudes Seigneur De Dampierre
                                    |         \-----Melsinde
                            /-----Viter/Gauthier Seigneur De Dampierre
                           |        |                           /-----Baldwin Count Of Boulogne
                           |        |                  /-----Eustace I Count Of Boulogne
                           |        |                 |         \-----Adela Of Holland
                           |        |         /-----Lambert Of Boulogne, Count Of Lens
                           |        |        |        |         /-----Lambert I The Bearded Count Of Louvain
                           |        |        |         \-----Maud Of Louvain
                           |        |        |                  \-----Gerberga Of Lorraine
                           |         \-----Sybilla
                           |                 |                  /-----Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy
                           |                 |         /-----Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy
                           |                 |        |         \-----Judith Of Brittany
                           |                  \-----Adelaide Of Normandy
                           |                          |         /-----Fulbert Of Falaise
                           |                           \-----Herleve Of Falaise
                           |                                    \-----Duxia
                   /-----Thibaud Seigneur De Dampierre
                  |         \-----Sybilla
          /-----Gui I Seigneur De Dampierre, Vicomte Of Troyes
         |        |                           /-----Milon I Seigneur De La Ferte
         |        |                  /-----Guy Seigneur De Montchery And Bray
         |        |                 |        |                  /-----Ansoud Le Riche Of Paris
         |        |                 |        |         /-----Thibaud Seigneur Of Montchery And Cheverouse
         |        |                 |        |        |         \-----Reitrude
         |        |                 |         \-----(Unk Dau)
         |        |         /-----Milan Le Gros Seigneur De Montchery
         |        |        |        |         /-----William Lord Of Burea
         |        |        |         \-----Hodierna De La Ferte
         |         \-----Isabel
         |                 |                                    /-----William Longspee Duke Of Normandy
         |                 |                           /-----Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
         |                 |                          |         \-----Espriota
         |                 |                  /-----Guillaume Count Of Eu
         |                 |                 |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
         |                 |                 |         \-----Gunnora
         |                 |         /-----William Count Of Eu
         |                 |        |        |                  /-----Torf The Rich
         |                 |        |        |         /-----Turketil De Turqueville
         |                 |        |        |        |         \-----Etemberga De Briquebec
         |                 |        |         \-----Lesceline De Turqueville
         |                 |        |                 |         /-----Hughes II Lord Of Montfort
         |                 |        |                  \-----Anceline De Montfort-Sur-Reile
         |                  \-----Lithwise Vicomtes De Troyes
         |                          |                           /-----Nocher I Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube
         |                          |                  /-----Nocher II Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube
         |                          |         /-----Renaud Count Of Soissons
         |                          |        |        |         /-----Gui Count Of Soissons
         |                          |        |         \-----Aelis
         |                          |        |                  \-----Adelaide Heiress Of Soissons
         |                           \-----Aelis
 /-----William Seigneur De Dampierre, Constable Of Cham
|        |         /-----Andre Seigneur De Baudmont
|         \-----Helvide Of Baudemont
|                  \-----Agnes Heiress Of Braine
Helvide Of Dampierre
|                                                      /-----Gilbert I De Mello
|                                             /-----Dreux I Seigneur De Meilo
|                                    /-----Gilbert II Seigneur De Mello
|                           /-----Dreux II Seigneur De Mello
|                          |         \-----Ermentrude
|                  /-----Dreux III Seigneur De Morichy
|                 |        |                                    /-----Renaud
|                 |        |                           /-----Hugh Butler Of France
|                 |        |                  /-----Renaud Count Of Clermont
|                 |        |         /-----Hugh Count Of Clermont
|                 |        |        |         \-----Ermengardis
|                 |         \-----Rachilde
|                 |                 |                           /-----Hildouin I Seigneur De Rameru
|                 |                 |                  /-----Hildouin II De Rameru
|                 |                 |         /-----Hildouin III De Rameru, Count Of Montdidier And Roucy
|                 |                 |        |         \-----Anonima
|                 |                  \-----Margaret De Roucy
|                 |                          |                  /-----Giselbert Count Of Roucy
|                 |                          |         /-----Ebles I Count Of Rheims And Roucy
|                 |                          |        |         \-----(Unk Dau)
|                 |                           \-----Adele De Roucy
|                 |                                   |         /-----Regnier IV Count Of Hainault
|                 |                                    \-----Beatrix Of Hainault
|                 |                                             \-----Hedwig Of France
|         /-----Dreux IV Seigneur De Morichy
|        |        |                           /-----Rodulf De Warrene
|        |        |                  /-----Ralph II De Warrene
|        |        |                 |        |         /-----Tesselin Vicomte Of Rouen
|        |        |                 |         \-----Beatrice De VASCOEUIL
|        |        |         /-----William De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey
|        |        |        |         \-----Emma
|        |         \-----Edith De WARENNE
|        |                 |         /-----Gherbod The Fleming, Advocate Of St. Bertins
|        |                  \-----Gundred
 \-----Ermengarde
         |         /-----Lancelin II Of Beauvais
          \-----Basilie
                  |                                             /-----Helpuin Count Of Arcis-Sur-Aube
                  |                                    /-----Hildouin I Seigneur De Rameru
                  |                                   |         \-----Hersinde Dame De Rameru
                  |                           /-----Manasser Count Of Dammartin
                  |                  /-----Eudes Count Of Dammartin
                  |                 |         \-----Constance
                  |         /-----Hugh II Count Of Dammartin
                   \-----Adele De Bulles
                           |                                    /-----Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
                           |                           /-----Godfrey Count Of Brionne
                           |                          |         \-----Gunnora
                           |                  /-----Gilbert Count Of Brionne
                           |         /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
                            \-----Rohais
                                    |                  /-----Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
                                    |         /-----Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
                                    |        |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
                                    |        |         \-----Wevie
                                     \-----Rohese GIFFARD
                                             |         /-----Gerard De FLEITELL
                                              \-----Ermengarde FLATEL



Descendants of Helvide Of Dampierre
1. Helvide Of Dampierre m1. Geoffrey IV Seneschall Of Champagne m2. John Seigneur De Montmirel
m. Geoffrey IV Seneschall Of Champagne father: Geoffrey III Seneschall Of Champagne mother: Felicite Of Brienne
m. John Seigneur De Montmirel father: Andre Lord Of Ferte-Gaucher mother: Hildearde Of Oisy

2nd generation

2. Simon De JOINVILLE, Seigneur De Joinville m1. Ermengarde Of Montcler m2. Beatrix Of Auxonne
m. Ermengarde Of Montcler father: Jean Of Montcler
m. Beatrix Of Auxonne father: Stephen III Count Of Auxonne mother: Beatrix Of Thiers-Chalon
3. Mary Of Montmirail m. Enguerrand III Lord Of Coucy
m. Enguerrand III Lord Of Coucy father: Ralph I Sire De COUCY mother: Adelaide Of Dreux
4. Elizabeth Of Montmirail m. Hellin II Seneschall Of Flanders
m. Hellin II Seneschall Of Flanders father: Robert I Seneschall Of Flanders mother: Sybille Of Flanders

3rd generation

6. John De JOINVILLE m. Alice Of Reynel
m. Alice Of Reynel father: Gautier Lord Of Reynel mother: Helisende
7. Sir Geoffrey De GENEVILLE, Lord Geneville m. Maud LACY
m. Maud LACY father: Gilbert De LACY mother: Isabel BIGOD
8. Alix Of Coucy m. Arnold III Count Of Guines
m. Arnold III Count Of Guines father: Baldwin III Count Of Guines mother: Mahaut Fiennes
10. Mary Of Coucy m1. Alexander II King Of Scots m2. Jean De BRIENNE, Grand Butler Of France
m. Alexander II King Of Scots father: William The Lion King Of Scots mother: Ermengarde Of Maine
m. Jean De BRIENNE, Grand Butler Of France father: Jean De BRIENNE, King Of Jerusalem mother: Berengaria Of Leon
11. Robert II Of Wavrin, Seneschall Of Flanders m1. Eustache Of Chatillon m2. Mathilde Of Bethune
m. Eustache Of Chatillon father: Gaucher III Count Of St. Pol mother: Elizabeth Countess Of St. Pol
m. Mathilde Of Bethune father: Guillaume III Lord Of Meulebeeke mother: Elisabeth Of Roosbrugge

4th generation

14. Anseau De JOINVILLE m. Margareta Of Vaudemont
m. Margareta Of Vaudemont father: Heinrich III Count Of Vaudemont mother: Isabelle De Lorraine
16. Sir Piers De GENEVILLE, Baron Of Trim m. Joan De LUSIGNAN
m. Joan De LUSIGNAN father: Hugh XII De Lusignan, Count De La Marche mother: Joanne De Fougers
19. Sir Simon De GENEVILLE m.
25. Margaret Of Guines m. Richard De BURGH, Earl Of Ulster
m. Richard De BURGH, Earl Of Ulster father: Walter De BURG, Earl Of Ulster mother: Aveline FITZJOHN
27. Baudouin Chatelain De Bourbourg m. Jeanne Of Montmorency
m. Jeanne Of Montmorency father: Matthew III Sire De Montmorency mother: Jeanne Of Brienne
28. Enguerrand V Lord Guines, Lord Of Coucy m. Christine De LINDSAY
m. Christine De LINDSAY father: William De LINDSAY mother: Ada De BALLIOL
30. Alexander III King Of Scots m1. Margaret m2. Yolanda Of Dreux
m. Margaret father: Henry III King Of England mother: Eleanor Of Provence
m. Yolanda Of Dreux father: Robert IV Count Of Dreux mother: Beatrix Of Montfort
31. Sybille Of Wavrin m. Hugues III Lord Of Antoing And Epinoy
m. Hugues III Lord Of Antoing And Epinoy father: Hugues II Lord Of Antoing And Epinoy mother: Phillipine De Harnes
32. Jeanne Of Wavrin m. Rasso VII Lord Of Gavre And Chievres
m. Rasso VII Lord Of Gavre And Chievres father: Rasso Lord Of Chievres mother: Alice Of Boulaere

5th generation

33. Henry Of Joinville, Count Of Vaudemont m. Maria Of Luxemburg
m. Maria Of Luxemburg father: Jean I Count Of Ligny, And St. Pol mother: Alix Of Flanders
34. Joan De GENEVILLE, Countess Of March m. Sir Roger MORTIMER, Earl Of March
m. Sir Roger MORTIMER, Earl Of March father: Sir Edmund De MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer mother: Margaret FIENNES
37. Maud De GENEVILLE m. Sir Baldwin Le FLEMING
m. Sir Baldwin Le FLEMING father: Richard Le FLEMING
38. Elizabeth De BURG m. Robert De BRUS, King Of Scots
m. Robert De BRUS, King Of Scots father: Sir Robert De BRUS, Earl Of Carrick, Lord Of Annand mother: Margaret Of Carrick, Countess Of Carrick
39. Maud De BURGH m. Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Gloucester
m. Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Gloucester father: Sir Gilbert DeCLARE, Earl Of Gloucester And Hertford mother: Joan PLANTAGENET
40. Aveline De BURGH m. John De BERMINGHAM, Earl Of Louth
m. John De BERMINGHAM, Earl Of Louth father: Piers De BERMINGHAM, Lord Of Thetmoy mother: Ela De ODINGSELLS
44. Joan De BURGH m1. Thomas FITZ JOHN FITZ GERALD, Earl Of Kildare m2. Sir John DARCY, Lord Darcy
m. Thomas FITZ JOHN FITZ GERALD, Earl Of Kildare father: John FITZ THOMAS FITZ GERALD, Earl Of Kildare mother: Blanche ROCHE
m. Sir John DARCY, Lord Darcy father: Sir Roger DARCY mother: Isabel D'ATON
46. Eleanor De BURGH m. Sir Thomas De MULTON, Lord Multon
m. Sir Thomas De MULTON, Lord Multon father: Sir Thomas De MULTON mother: Emoine Le BOTELER
47. Sir John De BURG m. Elizabeth DeCLARE
m. Elizabeth DeCLARE father: Sir Gilbert DeCLARE, Earl Of Gloucester And Hertford mother: Joan PLANTAGENET
48. Jeanne Countess Of Gent m. Jean II De BRIENNE, Count Of Eu
m. Jean II De BRIENNE, Count Of Eu father: Jean I De BRIENNE, Count Of Eu mother: Beatrix Of Chatillon-Sur-Marne
49. Enguerrand De Coucy, Vicount Of Meaux m. Marie Of Vianden
m. Marie Of Vianden father: Philip Of Vianden mother: Marie De Cernay
50. Guillaume Sire De Coucy, Lord Guines m. Isabeau Of Chatillion
m. Isabeau Of Chatillion father: Jacques I Of Chatilian, Gov Of Flanders mother: Catherine of Conde
51. Margaret m. Erik II King Of Norway
m. Erik II King Of Norway father: Magnus IV Lagabote King Of Norway mother: Ingeborg Of Denmark
54. Hugues IV Lord Of Antoing And Epiney m1. Elizabeth Of Grimberghe m2. Marie Of Gent
m. Elizabeth Of Grimberghe father: Heinrich Of Grimberghe
m. Marie Of Gent father: Gerhard II Of Zotteghem, Lord Of Zotteghem mother: Maria Of Gent
55. Rasso VIII Lord Of Gavre And Chievres m. Beatrix Of Strijen
m. Beatrix Of Strijen