Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Hildegardis
- Louis III King Of France Birth: Abt 863
Death: 5 Aug 882 in St Denis
- Carloman King Of France Birth: 867
Death: 6 Dec 884
- Gisela Birth: Abt 869
Death: Abt Nov 884
Marriage:
Children:
- Ermentrude Of France Birth: Abt 865
- Irmgard Birth: Abt 875
Death: 935
- Charles III The Simple King Of Franks Birth: 17 Sep 879
Death: 7 Oct 929 in Peronne
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exet0133, Wives of Charles the Simple. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 9/9/1996. Subject: Wives of Charles the Simple & Louis the Stammerer. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/IqBJYEX6ZQQ/m/fedcsSe5zpYJ. Author address: exet0133 at SABLE dot OX dot AC dot UK. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: exet0133 SGM 9/9/1996].
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- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p111, ES I.1 #6, ES II #1]
- 1 Nov c846 [Ref: HenryII charl001 6/5/2008, HenryII louis001 8/16/2012,
Richardson RoyalAnc v5p503]
- 1 Sep 846 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p16, Moriarty Plantagenet p21]
- 844 [Ref: Weis AR7 #148]
- 846 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, Settipani Capet #7, Watney WALLOP #207],
- parents:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, Brandenburg 1995 p87, CMH p337, ES I.1 #6,
ES II #1, HenryII charl001 6/5/2008, HenryII louis001 8/16/2012, Moriarty
Plantagenet p16, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p132, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p494,
Settipani Capet #7, Watney WALLOP #207, Weis AR7 #148],
- father:
- [Ref: Moncreiffe RoyalAnc p73, Stewart Baldwin SGM 3/14/2002-141143
(Munich manuscript), Tapsell Dynasties p170]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- [Ref: ES I.1 #6, ES II #1, HenryII adalh000 8/16/2012, HenryII charl001
6/5/2008, HenryII louis001 8/16/2012, Moriarty Plantagenet p16, Moriarty
Plantagenet p21, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p132, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p503,
Weis AR7 #148]
- 879 [Ref: CMH p337, Moncreiffe RoyalAnc p73, Settipani Capet #7, Tapsell
Dynasties p170, Watney WALLOP #207],
- place:
- [Ref: ES I.1 #6, ES II #1, HenryII louis001 8/16/2012, Moriarty
Plantagenet p21, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p503, Weis AR7 #148]
Sources with Information about marriage to Ansgarde
- date:
- [Ref: ES I.1 #6, ES II #1, HenryII charl001 6/5/2008, HenryII louis001
8/16/2012, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p503]
- 862 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1]
- first marriage of Louis [Ref: CMH p337, Settipani Capet #7],
- divorced:
- [Ref: ES II #1],
- child:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2, CMH p337, ES I.1 #6, ES II #1, HenryII
louis001 8/16/2012, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p503, Settipani Capet #7]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
- child:
- Ermentrude (#11232) mother of Cunegunde [Ref: Settipani Capet #7]
Sources with Information about marriage to Adelaide
- date:
- 868/870 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, Brandenburg 1995 p2, Redlich
CharlemagneDesc p132, Weis AR7 #143]
- 869/70 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p21]
- abt 867/8, immediately after repudiation of Ansgardis [Ref: Peter
Stewart SGM 1/12/2003-173904]
- abt 868 [Ref: Weis AR7 #148]
- abt 870 [Ref: HenryII charl001 6/5/2008]
- abt 870? [Ref: HenryII louis001 8/16/2012]
- abt 875 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p111]
- second marriage of Louis [Ref: CMH p337, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p503,
Settipani Capet #7]
- um 875 [Ref: ES I.1 #6, ES II #1],
- names:
- [Ref: HenryII adalh000 8/16/2012, Moriarty Plantagenet p22],
- child:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2, CMH p337, ES I.1 #6, ES II #1, HenryII
ermen102 5/23/2007, HenryII louis001 8/16/2012, Moriarty Plantagenet p21,
Redlich CharlemagneDesc p132, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p503, Settipani Capet #7,
Watney WALLOP #207, Weis AR7 #143, Weis AR7 #148]
Research Notes:
King of France [Ref: HenryII charl001 6/5/2008, HenryII louis001 8/16/2012]
King of the Franks [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, ES I.1 #6, Richardson RoyalAnc
v5p494, Tapsell Dynasties p170, Weis AR7 #148]
King of the West Franks [Ref: Moncreiffe RoyalAnc p73]
King of Neustria [Ref: HenryII charl001 6/5/2008, HenryII louis001 8/16/2012,
Richardson RoyalAnc v5p494]
King of Aquitaine [Ref: HenryII charl001 6/5/2008, HenryII louis001 8/16/2012,
Richardson RoyalAnc v5p494]
heir of his father [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p503]
856: his father had him betrothed to a daughter of the Breton king Erispoe,
and gave him the duchy of Maine, but the marriage never took place [Ref:
HenryII louis001 8/16/2012]
856: King of Neustria [Ref: HenryII louis001 8/16/2012]
856: King in Newstrien [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p111, Richardson RoyalAnc
v5p503]
856: King (of Newstrie) [Ref: ES I.1 #6]
866: following the death of his brother Charles, Louis was named king of
Aquitaine in the following year [Ref: HenryII louis001 8/16/2012]
Mar 867: King of Aquitaine [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 1/12/2003-173904]
867: King of Aquitaine [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p111, ES I.1 #6, HenryII
louis001 8/16/2012]
c870?: having married Ansgard without the permission of his father, Louis
separated from her and married Adelaide at his father instigation [Ref:
HenryII louis001 8/16/2012]
the date conjectured date c870 allows room for the four children of Ansgard
and allows sufficient time for Louis and Adelaide to be the great-grandparents
of bishop Adelbero of Metz, who became bishop in 929 [Ref: HenryII louis001
8/16/2012]
8 Dec 877: crowned as king by Hincmar, archbishop of Reims [Ref: HenryII
louis001 8/16/2012]
877: King of the West Franks [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, ES I.1 #6]
877-879 King of the Franks [Ref: HenryII adalh000 8/16/2012, HenryII louis001
8/16/2012, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p503, Weis AR7 #148]
Sep 7 878: at Troyes, crowned by Pope John VIII as Emperor [Ref: ES I.1 #6]
878-879 Emperor [Ref: Weis AR7 #148]
879: at his death, he was succeeded by his sons Louis III and Carloman as
joint kings [Ref: HenryII louis001 8/16/2012]
Louis married twice. His first wife was Ansgarde daughter of Ct Hardoin and
Guerimburga, a Neustrian noble family. He married her in March 862 without his
father's permission, as did his brother Charles of Aquitaine who married the
widow of Ct Humbert in the same year (Nelson, _Charles the Bald_, p204). By
Ansgarde he had two sons (Louis III & Carloman II) and 3 daughters:
Hildegarde, Gisela (who died c.884, married Robert Ct of Troyes, d.886), and
Ermentrude, whose partner is unknown, but who had a daughter, Cunegund, who
married Widric (Wigeric) Ct of Bidgau and Ct Palatine under Charles the
Simple). Ansgarde had two brothers, Odo & Hardoin, who had both become counts
by 870. Although Louis's father (Chas the Bald) eventually sanctioned the
union, some years later he made Louis divorce Ansgarde and had him remarried
to Adelaide. This 2nd marriage took place in February, probably 875. Ansgarde
died 2 November between 880 and 882, and was buried in Notre Dame de Reims.
Adelaide was not a daughter of Bego of Paris. He died in 816 (the confusion
in Stuart is probably due to a charter of Chas the Bald, dated 861, which is
false, as demonstrated by G.Tessier, _Recueil des chartes de Charles le
Chauve_ etc). However she was descended from him through her paternal
grandmother Suzanna who was Bego's daughter (K.Werner, "Die Nachkommen die
Karl der Grosse", _Karl der Grosse_ (ed W.Braunfels) vol IV, 432-9, which
traces her family). She was as stated elsewhere, daughter of Adalard: he was
not Count of Paris [for Conrad (the Welf one) is mentioned specifically as
Count of Paris in 876 by the _Annals of St.Bertin_ written contemporaneously
at Reims].
Instead, Werner argued, Adalard was a Burgundian noble who became Ct of the
Palace in the last years of Charles the Bald (877). He had a brother Wulfgrim
(Vulgrin, Bougrin) who J.Nelson (_Charles the Bald_ p232-3), identified as
Vulgrin I Count of Angouleme. Adelaide also had a brother called Wulfhard (or
uncle I forget which) who was chancellor under Louis III and Carloman II. By
Adelaide Louis had a son, Charles etc, who was born posthumously 17 September
879. Adelaide remained with her son, and had some influence at court during
the first years of his reign, as she is mentioned in a number of his charters.
She died 18 October, after 901. Some French historians (Auzias, _L'Aquitaine
Carolinienne_) hypothesised that after Louis's death she married Ramnulf II of
Poitou, but this is impossible to prove. [Ref: exet0133 SGM 9/9/1996]
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Europaische Stammtafeln I.1 #6 ("Die Karlinger III, Konige von Westfranken
877-986, Herzoge von Niederlothringen 978-1012"):
Ludwig II der Stammler, II 856 Kg (v Newstrien), III 867 Kg v Aquitaine, 877
Kg v Westfranken, Troyes 7.IX 878 grkront v Papst Johann VIII, *1.XI 846 d.
Compiegne 10.IV 879 u. ibidem; m1 III 862 Ansgard d. 2.XI (nach 879( gesch
nach 866 T v Gf Harduin; m2 um 875 Adelheid d. 18.XI (901) jedenfalls d. nach
9.XI 901 T v Gf Adalhard; children: by I: Ludwig III, Karlmann, Hildegard,
Gisla, by II: Ermentrud, Karl III [Ref: ES I.1 #6]
Pedigree of Louis II The Stammerer King Of France
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Saint Arnulf Bishop Of Metz
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Duke Ansgise Mayor Of The Palace To Siegbert
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Dode
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Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
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Pepin Of Landen, Mayor Of The Palace
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Saint Begga Of Landen
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Itta Idoberge Abbess Of Nivelles
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Childebrand
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Aupais
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Pepin The Short King Of The Franks
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Chrodobertus MajorDomo, Count Palatine
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(Unk) Noble Of Hesbaye
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Theodrada
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Lambertus II Of Hesbaye
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Chrotrudis
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Charlemagne King Of France
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(Unk) Noble Of Hesbaye
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Chariveus Count Of Laon
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(Unk Son) Of Bavaria
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Hubert Prince Of Bavaria
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Irmina
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Theodrada
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Caribert Count Of Laon
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Clovis II King Of Franks
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Theoderic III King Of Franks, King Of Burgundy
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Saint Bathildis
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Bertrade De Preum
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Duke Ansgise Mayor Of The Palace To Siegbert
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Dode
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Saint Begga Of Landen
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Bertha Of Laon, Countess Of Laon
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Gisele
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Agilolf
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
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(Unk) Duke Of Alemania
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Godefrey Duke Of Alamannia
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(Unk) Of Burgundy
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Houching Duke Of Alamannia
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Theodon I Of Bavaria, Duke Of Bavaria
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(Unk Dau) Of Bavaria
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Gleisnod
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Hnabi Duke Of Alamannia, Count In The Linzgau
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Emma
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Hersuinde
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Guelph Duke Of Fruili, Count Of Bavaria
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Ruthardus Duke Of Bavaria
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Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
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Judith Of Bavaria
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(Unk) Saxon
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Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
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Agilolf
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Hadrian Lord In The Worms
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(Unk) Duke Of Alemania
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Godefrey Duke Of Alamannia
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(Unk) Of Burgundy
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Houching Duke Of Alamannia
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Theodon I Of Bavaria, Duke Of Bavaria
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(Unk Dau) Of Bavaria
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Gleisnod
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Hnabi Duke Of Alamannia, Count In The Linzgau
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Emma
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Hersuinde
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Eudes Count Of Orleans
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Barnier
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Thiery (Not Makhir) Count Of Autun
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Chariveus Count Of Laon
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(Unk Son) Of Bavaria
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Irmina
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Rolanda
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Theoderic III King Of Franks, King Of Burgundy
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Bertrade De Preum
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Dode
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Adalelmus
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Duke Ansgise Mayor Of The Palace To Siegbert
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Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
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Saint Begga Of Landen
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Childebrand
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Aupais
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Auda
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(Unk) Noble Of Hesbaye
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Lambertus II Of Hesbaye
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Chrotrudis
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Waldast
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Ermentrude Of Orleans
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Girard Count Of Paris
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Leuthard Count Of Fezenac
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Duke Ansgise Mayor Of The Palace To Siegbert
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Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
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Saint Begga Of Landen
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Childebrand
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Aupais
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Carloman Mayor Of The Palace
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(Unk) Noble Of Hesbaye
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Lambertus II Of Hesbaye
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Chrotrudis
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Rotrude
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Engeltrude
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Grimihild
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