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Name: Lothair II The Saxon King Of Lorraine
Sex: M
Birth: Abt 835 ^b
Death: 8 Aug 869 in Piacenza ^d
Burial: St Antonin Cathedral By Pizcenza ^u

Parents:

Father:
Lothair I King Of Italy, Emperor Of The West Birth: 795 Death: 29 Sep 855 in Pruem, Germany

Mother:

Ermengarde Of Tours Death: 20 Mar 851

Family:
Marriage:

Teutberga on 855 .^m1
Teutberga Death: Before 25 Nov 875 in St Glossinde, Metz

Marriage:

Waldrada on 25 Dec 862 .^m2
Waldrada Death: After 9 Apr 868 in Remiremont

Children:

Hugo Duke Of Elsass Birth: Abt 855 Death: After 895
Gisela Of Lorraine Birth: Abt 860 Death: Abt 21 May 907
Bertha Of Lorraine Birth: Abt 863 Death: 8 Mar 925 in Lucca
Irmgard Of Lorraine Birth: Abt 865 Death: 6 Aug After 895

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Sources for birth and parent Information

date:: (835) [Ref: ES I #2, ES I.1 #4]; 827 [Ref: Weis AR7 #145]; abt 835 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, Moriarty Plantagenet p20, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p183, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p499, Settipani Capet #5, Settipani LGA p9]; say 835 [Ref: HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008],
parents:: [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, ES I #2, ES I.1 #4, HenryII lotha000 9/20/2008, HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008, Moriarty Plantagenet p20, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p183, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p499, Settipani Capet #5, Weis AR7 #145],
father:: [Ref: CMH p336, HenryII boso0001 9/20/2008, Settipani LGA p9, Stewart Baldwin SGM 3/14/2002-141143 (Munich manuscript), Tapsell Dynasties p170]

Sources for death Information

date:: [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, ES I.1 #4, ES II #186 (as replaced in III.1), ES II #186, HenryII boso0001 9/20/2008, HenryII lotha000 9/20/2008, HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008, Lyman ES-I-Corrections #2, Moriarty Plantagenet p20, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p183, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p499, Settipani LGA p9, Weis AR7 #145]; 869 [Ref: CMH p336, Settipani Capet #5, Tapsell Dynasties p170],
place:: [Ref: ES I.1 #4, ES II #186 (as replaced in III.1), ES II #186, HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008, Moriarty Plantagenet p20, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p499]

Sources with Inaccurate death Information

date:: 8.VIII 969 [Ref: ES I #2]

Sources for burial Information

place:: [Ref: ES I.1 #4, HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p499]

Sources with Information about marriage to Teutberga

date:: [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, ES I #2, ES I.1 #4, HenryII boso0001 9/20/2008, HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008]; (855) [Ref: ES II #186]; abt 855 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p20, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p499]; first marriage of Lothair [Ref: HenryII lotha000 9/20/2008, Settipani Capet #5]; um 855 [Ref: ES II #186 (as replaced in III.1)],
divorced:: 862 [Ref: ES II #186 (as replaced in III.1)]; vor 855 [Ref: ES II #186],
names:: [Ref: CMH p336, Settipani Capet p348]

Sources with Information about marriage to Waldrada

date:: [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p499]; 862 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, ES I #2, ES I.1 #4, Weis AR7 #145]; abt 862 [Ref: Redlich CharlemagneDesc p183]; long his concubine, m 25 Dec 862 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p20]; relationship began before 855, married in 862 [Ref: HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008]; second marraige of Lothair [Ref: Settipani Capet #5]; second marriage (not recognized) of Lothair [Ref: HenryII lotha000 9/20/2008],
child:: [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2, ES I #2, ES I.1 #4, HenryII berth000 9/20/2008, HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008, Moriarty Plantagenet p20, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p183, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p499, Settipani Capet #5, Weis AR7 #145],
note:: marriage to Waldrada was not recognized [Ref: HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008]

Research Notes:
King of Lorraine [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, ES I.1 #4, HenryII boso0001 9/20/2008, HenryII lotha000 9/20/2008, HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p499, Weis AR7 #145]

855: when Lothair I died, his son Lothair II received the northern part of his father's kingdom, which, lacking a more suitable name, was called "Lothaire's kingdom", which eventually became known as Lotharingia, or Lorraine [Ref: HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008]

855-869: King of Lorraine [Ref: HenryII lotha000 9/20/2008, HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p499]

855: King of Lorraine [Ref: ES I.1 #4, Settipani Capet #5, Settipani LGA p9]

855-869: King of Lotharingia [Ref: Tapsell Dynasties p170]

much of his reign was occupied by his attempts to set aside his wife Theutberge, and have his mistress Waldrade recognized as his legitimate wife [Ref: HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008]

after his death, his son by Waldrade, Hugues, was unable to attain his father's position [Ref: HenryII lotha001 9/20/2008]

----- Europaische Stammtafeln I.1 #4 ("Die Karlinger I, 800-877 Kaiser, 768-877 Konige der Franken"): Lothar II, 855 Kg v Lothringen *(835) d. Piacenza 8.VIII 869 u. Kl St Antonin bei Piacenza; m1 855 Teutberga Abt v Ste-Glossinde zu Metz 869, d. before 25.XI 875 T v Boso Gf v Arles; m2 862 (kirchlich nicht anerkannt) Waldrada d. als Nonne zu Remiremont nach 9.IV 868; children: by II: Hugo, Gisla, Bertha, Ermengard [Ref: ES I.1 #4]

Pedigree of Lothair II The Saxon King Of Lorraine
                                                                /-----Saint Arnulf Bishop Of Metz
                                                       /-----Duke Ansgise Mayor Of The Palace To Siegbert
                                                      |         \-----Dode
                                              /-----Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
                                             |        |         /-----Pepin Of Landen, Mayor Of The Palace
                                             |         \-----Saint Begga Of Landen
                                             |                  \-----Itta Idoberge Abbess Of Nivelles
                                     /-----Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
                                    |        |         /-----Childebrand
                                    |         \-----Aupais
                            /-----Pepin The Short King Of The Franks
                           |        |                           /-----Chrodobertus MajorDomo, Count Palatine
                           |        |                  /-----(Unk) Noble Of Hesbaye
                           |        |                 |         \-----Theodrada
                           |        |         /-----Lambertus II Of Hesbaye
                           |         \-----Chrotrudis
                   /-----Charlemagne King Of France
                  |        |                                    /-----(Unk) Noble Of Hesbaye
                  |        |                           /-----Chariveus Count Of Laon
                  |        |                  /-----(Unk Son) Of Bavaria
                  |        |                 |        |         /-----Hubert Prince Of Bavaria
                  |        |                 |         \-----Irmina
                  |        |                 |                  \-----Theodrada
                  |        |         /-----Caribert Count Of Laon
                  |        |        |        |                  /-----Clovis II King Of Franks
                  |        |        |        |         /-----Theoderic III King Of Franks, King Of Burgundy
                  |        |        |        |        |         \-----Saint Bathildis
                  |        |        |         \-----Bertrade De Preum
                  |        |        |                 |         /-----Duke Ansgise Mayor Of The Palace To Siegbert
                  |        |        |                  \-----Dode
                  |        |        |                           \-----Saint Begga Of Landen
                  |         \-----Bertha Of Laon, Countess Of Laon
                  |                  \-----Gisele
          /-----Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
         |        |                  /-----Agilolf
         |        |         /-----Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
         |         \-----Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
         |                 |                                    /-----(Unk) Duke Of Alemania
         |                 |                           /-----Godefrey Duke Of Alamannia
         |                 |                          |         \-----(Unk) Of Burgundy
         |                 |                  /-----Houching Duke Of Alamannia
         |                 |                 |        |         /-----Theodon I Of Bavaria, Duke Of Bavaria
         |                 |                 |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Bavaria
         |                 |                 |                  \-----Gleisnod
         |                 |         /-----Hnabi Duke Of Alamannia, Count In The Linzgau
         |                  \-----Emma
         |                           \-----Hersuinde
/-----Lothair I King Of Italy, Emperor Of The West
|        |                                                      /-----Chrodobertus MajorDomo, Count Palatine
|        |                                             /-----(Unk) Noble Of Hesbaye
|        |                                            |         \-----Theodrada
|        |                                    /-----Lambertus II Of Hesbaye
|        |                           /-----Sigramine Count Of Hasbania
|        |                  /-----Gunderland Count Of Hasbania
|        |                 |        |                           /-----Duke Ansgise Mayor Of The Palace To Siegbert
|        |                 |        |                  /-----Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
|        |                 |        |                 |         \-----Saint Begga Of Landen
|        |                 |        |         /-----Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
|        |                 |        |        |        |         /-----Childebrand
|        |                 |        |        |         \-----Aupais
|        |                 |         \-----Landrade
|        |         /-----Ingerman Count Of Hasbaye
|         \-----Ermengarde Of Haspengau
Lothair II The Saxon King Of Lorraine
|                                             /-----Adalric Duke Of Alsace
|                                    /-----Adelbert Duke Of Alsace
|                                   |         \-----Bereswinde
|                           /-----Luitfriede I Duke Of Alsace
|                          |        |         /-----Odon
|                          |         \-----Gerlinde
|                          |                 |                  /-----Alberic
|                          |                 |         /-----Hubert Prince Of Bavaria
|                          |                 |        |         \-----Adele
|                          |                  \-----Adele
|                          |                          |         /-----Theodard Bishop Of Liege
|                          |                           \-----Theodrada
|                          |                                    \-----(Unk Dau)
|                  /-----Luitfriede II Count Of Alsace
|         /-----Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
|        |         \-----Hiltrude
\-----Ermengarde Of Tours
          \-----Ava

Descendants of Lothair II The Saxon King Of Lorraine

1. Lothair II The Saxon King Of Lorraine m1. Teutberga m2. Waldrada

m. Teutberga father: Boso III The Old Count Of Arles And Tuscany

m. Waldrada

2 Hugo Duke Of Elsass m. Friderada ; Friderada

3 Gisela Of Lorraine m. Gottfried Duke In Friesland

4+ Bertha Of Lorraine m1. Theobald Count Of Aries m2. Adelbert II Marquess Of Tuscany

5 Irmgard Of Lorraine

2nd generation

4. Bertha Of Lorraine m1. Theobald Count Of Aries m2. Adelbert II Marquess Of Tuscany

m. Theobald Count Of Aries father: Herbert Marquis Of Transjurian Burgundy

6+ Teutberge m1. Warner Vicomte Of Sens And Troyes m2. Engelbert Of Vienne

7+ Hugh Of Aries, King Of Italy m1. Wille m2. Wandelmode m3. Hilda m4. Bezola m5. Rotrud m6. Marozia m7. Berthia Of Swabia m8. Stephanie m9.