Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Udo Bishop Of Strassburg Death: 965
- Otto Count Of Grabfeld Death: Abt 983
- Judith Of Wetterau Death: 16 Oct 973
- Gebhard Birth: Abt 920
Death: 938 in Belecke
- Udo Duke Of Alsace Birth: Abt 920
Death: 14 Jul 982 in Calabria
- Conrad I Duke Of Swabia Birth: Abt 920
Death: 20 Aug 997
- Herbert I Count In The Kinziggau Birth: Abt 925
Death: 992
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- parents:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p123, Brandenburg 1995 p92, Settipani
Conradiens p143, Settipani Conradiens p144],
- father:
- [Ref: ES I #11, Jackman Konradiner #1, Jackman Konradiner p16,
Moriarty Plantagenet p23, Settipani Conradiens p137, Settipani Conradiens
p149, Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/8/2002-204050]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2, ES III.1 #49]
- 2 Dec 949 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p23]
- 2.XII 949 [Ref: ES I #11]
- 949 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p92, ES I.1 #7, ES I.1 #8, Jackman Konradiner
#1, Moriarty Plantagenet p6, Settipani Conradiens p149, Stewart Baldwin SGM
4/8/2002-204050]
Sources for burial Information
- place:
- [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
Sources with Information about marriage to Cunegundis Of Vermandois
- date:
- [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p6]
- before 918 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p23]
- um 918 [Ref: ES III.1 #49],
- names:
- [Ref: Settipani Capet #8, Settipani Conradiens p143]
- Udo Count in Wetterau & dau Heribert [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p484]
- Udo Count in the Wetterau & dau Herbert Count of Vermandois [Ref:
Brandenburg 1995 p6, ES I #11, ES I.1 #7, ES I.1 #8, Moriarty Plantagenet p23,
Moriarty Plantagenet p6, Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/8/2002-204050, Weis AR7 #143]
- Udo Count in the Wetterau & dau Herbert I [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2]
- Udo count of Wetterau & dau Heribert [Ref: HenryII herib001 5/23/2007],
- child:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p123, Brandenburg 1995 p6, Brandenburg 1995 p92,
ES I #11, ES I.1 #8, Moriarty Plantagenet p23, Settipani Conradiens p144, Weis
AR7 #143]
Research Notes:
Count in the Wetterau [Ref: ES I.1 #7, ES I.1 #8]
Count in Rheingau [Ref: ES I.1 #8, Jackman Konradiner #1]
Count in Lahngau [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
910: young; mentioned by continuator of Reginon [Ref: Settipani Conradiens
p137]
known to have married a daughter of Count Herbert I of Vermandois (Flodoard's
Annals, which state the Udo was married to a paternal aunt ("amita") of Hugh,
archibishop of Rheims, who was a son of Heribert II, son of Heribert I of
Vermandois) [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/8/2002-204050]
911: occ [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
914: Count in the Weggerau [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
914-15: founded St Maria at Wetzlar [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
917 and 948: Count in Rheingau [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
918: Count in Lahngau [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
death notice of Count Udo, under the year 948 in the Continuator of
Regino, suggests that Udo's estates were divided among his sons, but without
naming the sons ("Uto comes obiit, qui permissu regis, quicquid beneficii aut
praefecturarum habuit, quasi haereditatem inter filios divisit") [Ref: Jackman
Konradiner p19, Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/8/2002-204050]
The main question is: Who were the parents of the siblings Konrad, Heribert,
Udo, Judith? This is apparently not directly documented, and Jackman differs
from what seemed to be the previous consensus. Going back to the other part of
the document involving Otto and Irmingard (see Part 1), we see some apparently
male-line relatives of Otto of Hammerstein:
"Gebehard et Udo nepotes, fi1ii duorum fratrum. Gebehard genuit Cunonem. Udo
genuit Ottonem. Cuno genuit Cunonem. Heribertus genuit Ottonem."
In table format, this comes out as:
NN
_________|_________
| |
NN (male) NN (male)
| |
Gebhard Udo ?
| | |
Cuno Otto Heribert
| |
Cuno Otto
These are apparently the patrilineal relatives of Otto of Hammerstein (and
his father Heribert), but they don't say how Heribert fits in. The names
Gebhard, Udo, and Conrad (with short form Cuno) were all common in the
Konradiner family, and the Udo of the table has generally been identified with
the Konradiner count Udo, who died in 949 (and was son of a Gebhard who died
in 910).
Since Otto of Hammerstein was evidently the central figure in these
documents, the fact that they did not identify his grandfather led some to
suggest that this was a mistake, and that the passage has an error in it. The
first Otto looks out of place (since he is not provided with a son later in
the account), and the lack of a father for Heribert is also strange. The most
common suggestion (supported, for example, by Hlawitschka, Brandenburg,
Werner) is that "Udo genuit Ottonem" is a mistake for "Udo genuit Heribertum".
If correct, this emendation would lead to the table:
NN
_________|_________
| |
NN (male) NN (male)
| |
Gebhard Udo
| |
Cuno Heribert
| |
Cuno Otto
[Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/8/2002-204050]
Question can be posed as, did the author of the note intend to document
the filiation of Otto? If so, then one must suppose an error of copyist.
If not, then the first paragraph (of Saint Omer's manuscript notes of the
council of Seligenstadt) highlights bonds of Otto with certain characters,
obviously Conradiens, who would be obvious to its readers. The last Cuno is
Conrad of Swabia. Relationship between Conrad and Heribert, also obvious, is
not given. First Otto would be included as a "donor of name"; Otto de
Hammerstein would then hold the name of a cousin and not of the dynasty of
Ottoniens [Ref: Settipani Conradiens p137]
In continuator of Reginon, by royal permission, able to divide his honors
like a heritage between his sons. This sentence is understood differently by
Donald Jackman than by others - the normal interpretation is that he divided
his property between his sons; Jackman's interpretation is that he had no sons
and his heirs were not his sons. [Ref: Settipani Conradiens p138]
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Europaische Stammtafeln I.1 #8 ("Die Konradiner, 911-918 Konig von
Ostfranken"):
Udo 914 Gf in der Wetterau, 917 u 948 Graf im Rheingau, 918 Gf in Lahngau,
stiftet 914-915 St Maria zu Wetzlar, 911 d.949 u. Wetzlar St Maria; m. N v
Vermandois T v Gr Heribert I; children: Gebhard, Udo [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
Pedigree of Udo Count In The Wetterau
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Agilolf
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Hadrian Lord In The Worms
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Houching Duke Of Alamannia
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Hnabi Duke Of Alamannia, Count In The Linzgau
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Emma
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Hersuinde
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Eudes Count Of Orleans
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Barnier
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Thiery (Not Makhir) Count Of Autun
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Rolanda
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Adalelmus
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
| | | \-----
Auda
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Chrotrudis
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Waldast
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Gebhard Count In The Nieder-Lahngau
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Girard Count Of Paris
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Leuthard Count Of Fezenac
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
| | | | /-----
Carloman Mayor Of The Palace
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Chrotrudis
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Rotrude
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Engeltrude
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Grimihild
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Eudes Count In Lahngau
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Hunroch Count of Ternois
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(Unk Dau) Of Friuli
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Girard Count Of Paris
| | /-----
Begue Count Of Paris
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
| | | | /-----
Carloman Mayor Of The Palace
| | | | | \-----
Chrotrudis
| | | \-----
Rotrude
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Engeltron Of Paris
| | /-----
Pepin The Short King Of The Franks
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Charlemagne King Of France
| | | \-----
Bertha Of Laon, Countess Of Laon
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Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
| | | | /-----
Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
| | | \-----
Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
| | | \-----
Emma
| \-----
Aupals
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Gebhard Duke Of Lorraine
| | /-----
Guelph Duke Of Fruili, Count Of Bavaria
| | /-----
Ruthardus Duke Of Bavaria
| | /-----
Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
| | /-----
Conrad I Of Burgandy, Count Of Auxerra
| | | | /-----
(Unk) Saxon
| | | \-----
Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
| \-----
Judith
| | /-----
Adalric Duke Of Alsace
| | /-----
Adelbert Duke Of Alsace
| | | \-----
Bereswinde
| | /-----
Luitfriede I Duke Of Alsace
| | | | /-----
Odon
| | | \-----
Gerlinde
| | | \-----
Adele
| | /-----
Luitfriede II Count Of Alsace
| | /-----
Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
| | | \-----
Hiltrude
| \-----
Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
| \-----
Ava
Udo Count In The Wetterau
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Ita
Descendants of Udo Count In The Wetterau
2nd generation
3rd generation
4th generation
5th generation