Person Info
- Name: Rosela Of Italy
- Sex: F
- Birth: Abt 955 b
- Death: Abt 7 Feb 1003 in Gent d
- Burial: Abbey of Saint-Pierre-au-Mont-Blandin, Gand u
Parents:
- Father:
- Berengar II King Of Italy
Birth: Abt 900
Death: 4 Aug 966 in Bamberg
Mother:
- Willa Of Aries
Death: After 6 Aug 966 in Bamburg
Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Eudes Count Of Cambria
- Mathilda Death: 24 Jul 995
- Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders Birth: Abt 980
Death: 30 May 1035
Marriage:
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- date:
- (950/60) [Ref: ES II #59 (as replaced in III.1)]
- 950-60 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p54]
- 950/60 [Ref: ES II #59, ES II #5, Moriarty Plantagenet p18]
- 950/960 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p8]
- abt 945x955 [Ref: HenryII rober102 5/29/2012]
- abt 950/60 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p14]
- abt 952 [Ref: Weis AR7 #146],
- parents:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p8, ES II #59 (as replaced in III.1), ES II
#59, HenryII beren002 9/20/2008, HenryII rober102 5/29/2012, Moriarty
Plantagenet p18, Paget HRHCharles p54, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p235,
Richardson RoyalAnc v3p16, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p496, Richardson RoyalAnc
v5p502, Watney WALLOP #182, Weis AR7 #146],
- father:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p10, CMH p462, DeVajay Aragon p292, ES II #11,
ES II #5, HenryII arnul000 11/25/2007, HenryII baldw003 11/25/2007, HenryII
baldw004 6/2/2008, HenryII hugh1002 8/2/2008, Louda RoyalFamEurope #64,
Moriarty Plantagenet p14, Watney WALLOP #408]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- 1003 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p10, HenryII beren002 9/20/2008, Louda
RoyalFamEurope #64, Moriarty Plantagenet p14, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p235,
Watney WALLOP #182, Watney WALLOP #408]
- 13 Dec 1003 [Ref: HenryII arnul000 11/25/2007, HenryII baldw004
6/2/2008, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p16]
- 25 Jan or 7 Feb 1003 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p54]
- 26 Jan 1003 [Ref: Weis AR7 #146, Weis AR7 #162]
- 7 Feb 1003 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p18]
- 7 Feb or 13 Dec 1003 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p8]
- 7.II oder 13.XII 1003 [Ref: ES II #11, ES II #59 (as replaced in III.1),
ES II #59, ES II #5]
- prob 13 Dec 1003 [Ref: HenryII hugh1002 8/2/2008, HenryII rober102
5/29/2012],
- place:
- [Ref: ES II #11]
Sources for burial Information
- place:
- [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p16]
Sources with Information about marriage to Arnold II The Young Count Of Flanders
- date:
- [Ref: Redlich CharlemagneDesc p235, Weis AR7 #162]
- abt 968 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p10, Brandenburg 1995 p8, Moriarty
Plantagenet p14, Moriarty Plantagenet p18, Weis AR7 #146]
- ca 968 [Ref: HenryII beren002 9/20/2008]
- first marriage of Rosella [Ref: ES II #11, HenryII hugh1002 8/2/2008,
HenryII rober102 5/29/2012, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p16]
- um 968 [Ref: ES II #59 (as replaced in III.1), ES II #59, ES II #5],
- names:
- [Ref: DeVajay Aragon p292, HenryII baldw003 11/25/2007, Richardson
RoyalAnc v5p502, Watney WALLOP #182]
- Arnold II The Young Count Of Flanders & Suzanne Of ITALY [Ref: Watney
WALLOP #408],
- child:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p8, ES II #5, HenryII arnul000 11/25/2007,
HenryII baldw004 6/2/2008, Moriarty Plantagenet p14, Moriarty Plantagenet
p277, Paget HRHCharles p54, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p183, Richardson RoyalAnc
v5p496, Watney WALLOP #408, Weis AR7 #162]
Sources with Information about marriage to Robert II The Pious King Of France
- date:
- 988 [Ref: DeVajay Aragon p292, Weis AR7 #146]
- 988 vor 1.IV [Ref: ES II #11, ES II #59 (as replaced in III.1), ES II
#59, ES II #5]
- 992 [Ref: Louda RoyalFamEurope #64]
- abt 990, second marriage of Rosela first of Robert II, repudiated [Ref:
Weis AR7 #162]
- before 1 Apr 988 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p8, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p16,
Richardson RoyalAnc v5p496]
- before 988 [Ref: Weis AR7 #101]
- ca 988 [Ref: HenryII beren002 9/20/2008]
- first marriage of Robert [Ref: HenryII hugh1002 8/2/2008]
- first marriage of Robert and second of Rozela [Ref: CMH p462]
- prob 989x990 [Ref: HenryII rober102 5/29/2012]
- second marriage of Rozala [Ref: HenryII arnul000 11/25/2007],
- divorced:
- 991x3 [Ref: HenryII rober102 5/29/2012]
- 992 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p8, ES II #11, Louda RoyalFamEurope #64,
Richardson RoyalAnc v5p496]
- repudiated 991 or 992 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p16]
- repudiated 992 [Ref: Weis AR7 #101]
- repudiated [Ref: Weis AR7 #146]
Research Notes:
988: charter issued by Count Balduin and his mother Quuen Susanna ("ego
Balduinus marchysus cum matre mea Susanna regina"). This is the famous
document where she first occurs with that name, and more mysteriously with
that title, still existing in the original and dated before she had married
King Robert II.
It was clearly issued in the wake of her first husband Count Arnulf II's
death, probably immediately after his obsequies for which the neighbouring
counts and important nobles had gathered in Ghent. The only evidence relating
to a Count Balduin, apart from the principal who was still a child, is the
subscription "Signum Balduini comitis". Pace Heather Tanner, this is not
definite evidence for a Count Balduin of Boulogne. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM
6/22/2005-235316]
As to "Susanna", this certainly is not an adjectival term meaning she was born
in Susa - there are several sources establishing that this was an alternative
name of Countess Rozala (see below), and the problem I referred to is with her
title as queen on 1 April 988, not with her given name. The question is vastly
more complex than the facts of the lady's origin: for one thing, she had grown
up in Germany, probably at the imperial court, and not even in Italy much less
in Susa. Her birth is not at all likely to have occurred there.
For Susanna as her name, see 'Annales Elnonenses' in _Les annales de
Saint-Pierre de Gand et de Saint-Amand_, edited by Philip Grierson (Brussels,
1937) p. 152: "Arnulfus iunior uxorem duxit filiam Berengeri regis Susannam"
(trans: Arnulf the younger married King Berengar's daughter Susanna);
"Genealogia comitum Flandriae Bertiniana", edited by Ludwig Bethmann, MGH SS
IX p. 306: "Arnulfus....duxit filiam Berengeri regis Langobardorum, Ruzelam
quae et Susanna" (trans: Arnulf....married Rozala, also known as Susanna,
daughter of Berengar, king of the Lombards); and 'Vita Bertulfi Renticensis'
(excerpts), edited by Oswald Holder-Egger, MGH SS XV part 2 p. 638:
"Rozala....post mortem Arnulfi principis Roberto regi Francorum nupsit, et
Susanna dicta mutato nomine, regina regnavit" (trans: Rozala....after the
ruler Arnulf's death married Robert, king of the Franks and, called by the
alternative name Susanna, reigned as queen).
She was also given the name Susanna by King Henri I in a diploma of 1038,
after her death: "regina diuae memoriae Susanna", see _Diplomata belgica..._,
cited in my previous post, p. 197 no. 92.
The puzzle of the celebrated charter dated 1 April 988 is involved more
with politics and diplomacy than with genealogy, and would not be a topic of
interest to many here. Ferdinand Lot considered that the document must have
belonged to 989, just over a year after the death of Rozala Susanna's first
husband in 988, taken to have occurred on 30 March [see _Etudes sur le regne
de Hugues Capet et la fin du Xe siecle_ BEHE 147 (Paris, 1903) p. 4, note 2],
although he also followed the unconvincing suggestion of the RHGF editors that
as a king's daughter she might have used the title 'regina' during her first
marriage. However, this dating does not account for the long introductory text
of the charter, meditating for half of its length on mortality, which was
clearly more suitable in the mourning period soon after Count Arnulf II's
demise than for remembrance soon after the anniversary.
Pere Anselme confused this question, stating that Count Arnulf II of
Flanders was buried on 23 March 988 in the chapel of Saint-Laurent at Mont
Blandin abbey in Ghent, and that his tomb was only finished on 30 March of
that year, causing some authors to mistake this for the date of his death;
however, a source was not given for this information [see _Histoire
genealogique et chronologique de la Maison royale de France..._, third
edition, 9 vols (Paris, 1726-33) II p. 715]. Guillaume de Jumieges was cited
at the end of the article on Arnulf II, but no other medieval sources for
details about him. Elsewhere in Anselme it is claimed that Rosala (named
Roselle) was a widow on 23 March 989 [op cit I p. 71].
I think Arnulf II was dead by 23 March 988, and that his widow did not
marry King Robert II until some tme between March and November 989, a year or
so after she was titled "regina" in Flanders as a deliberate rebuff to Hugo
Capet, who was at the time prematurely seeking her hand in marriage for his
young son. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 9/9/2004-083936]
Pedigree of Rosela Of Italy
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Amadeus Count In Payn De Langres
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Anchier Count Of Orcheret, Margrave Of Ivrea
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Adalbert The Rich Margrave Of Ivrea
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Berengar II King Of Italy
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Hunroch Count of Ternois
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Eberhard Margrave Of Friuli
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Girard Count Of Paris
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Begue Count Of Paris
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Carloman Mayor Of The Palace
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Rotrude
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Engeltron Of Paris
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Charlemagne King Of France
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Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
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Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
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Aupals
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Berengar I King Of Italy
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Pepin The Short King Of The Franks
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Chrotrudis
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Charlemagne King Of France
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Caribert Count Of Laon
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Bertha Of Laon, Countess Of Laon
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Gisele
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Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
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Agilolf
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
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Hnabi Duke Of Alamannia, Count In The Linzgau
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Emma
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Hersuinde
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Gisele
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Guelph Duke Of Fruili, Count Of Bavaria
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Ruthardus Duke Of Bavaria
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Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
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Judith Of Bavaria
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(Unk) Saxon
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Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
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Gisele Of Friuli
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Maurin PFALZGRAF
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Suppo Margrave Of Spoleto
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Bertila Of Spoleto
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Wilfred Count
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Berta
Rosela Of Italy
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Boso I Count Of Arles And Tuscany
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Boso II Count Of Arles And Tuscany
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Boso III The Old Count Of Arles And Tuscany
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Herbert Marquis Of Transjurian Burgundy
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Theobald Count Of Aries
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Boso Count Of Aries
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Pepin The Short King Of The Franks
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Charlemagne King Of France
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Bertha Of Laon, Countess Of Laon
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Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
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Emma
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Lothair I King Of Italy, Emperor Of The West
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Gunderland Count Of Hasbania
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Ingerman Count Of Hasbaye
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Ermengarde Of Haspengau
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Lothair II The Saxon King Of Lorraine
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Luitfriede I Duke Of Alsace
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Luitfriede II Count Of Alsace
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Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
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Hiltrude
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Ermengarde Of Tours
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Ava
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Bertha Of Lorraine
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Waldrada
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Willa Of Aries
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Guelph Duke Of Fruili, Count Of Bavaria
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Ruthardus Duke Of Bavaria
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Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
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Conrad I Of Burgandy, Count Of Auxerra
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(Unk) Saxon
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Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
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Conrad II Duke Of Transjurand Burgandy
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Luitfriede I Duke Of Alsace
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Luitfriede II Count Of Alsace
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Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
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Hiltrude
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Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
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Ava
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Rudolph I King Of Upper Burgundy
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Walrada
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Willa Of Tuscany
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Hieronymus Count
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Richard Count Of Rouen
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Ercheswindis
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Richard Count Of Amiens
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Budwine Count Of Metz
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Boso Of Vienne, King Of Provence
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Boso I Count Of Arles And Tuscany
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Boso II Count Of Arles And Tuscany
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Boso III The Old Count Of Arles And Tuscany
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Richilda
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Wille
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