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• Name: Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH, Prince Of North Wales
• Sex: M
• Birth: 1173 ^b
• Death: 11 Apr 1240 in Aberconway ^d


Parents:

• Father:
  
• Iorworth Drwyndwn Prince Of Gwynedd Death: 1174
Mother:

• Margred Ferch Madog

Family:
Marriage:

• (Unk) Of Chester on Abt 1192 .^m1
  
• (Unk) Of Chester Death: Before 24 Nov 1199

Marriage:

• Joan on Before 23 Mar 1204/5 .^m2
  
• Joan Birth: Abt 1189 Death: 2 Feb 1237 in Aber

Children:

1. Elen Death: Before 24 Oct 1253
2. Margaret Of Wales Death: After 1268
3. Angharad
4. Susanna
5. Dafydd Ap Llwelyn Fawy, Prince Of Wales Birth: Abt 1208 Death: 25 Feb 1246 in Aber
6. (Unk Dau) Birth: 1234

Marriage:

• Eve FITZ WARIN on 1239 .^m3
  
• Eve FITZ WARIN Death: After 1282

Marriage:

• Tangwystl Of Rhos .^m4
  
• Tangwystl Of Rhos

Children:

1. Gladys DHU Death: 1251 in Windsor, Berkshire
2. Gruffydd Ap Llywelyn Death: 1 Mar 1244 in London
3. Gwenllian Las Death: 1281

Children:

1. Dafydd Ap Llywelyn, Prince Of Gwynedd Death: 1246
2. Tegwared Y BAISWEN
3. Angharad

Bibliography

Sources for birth and parent Information

date:

[Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1999, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p298, Weis AR7 #27, Weis AR7 #29A]

abt 1173 [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/2/2004-105141, Reitwiesner Joan p80],

parents:

[Ref: Burke Peerage p2184, John Ravilious SGM 1/2/2004-105141, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p298, Stewart Baldwin SGM 7/27/1997, Weis AR7 #176]

Iorwerth & dau Madog ap Meredydd [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1999],

father:

[Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p1102, Moncreiffe RoyalAnc p11, Tapsell Dynasties p178]

Sources for death Information

date:

[Ref: ES III.2 #356, Hoff LLOYD p142, John Ravilious SGM 1/2/2004-105141, Paget HRHCharles p16, Reitwiesner Joan p8, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p200, Watney WALLOP #613, Weis AR7 #176, Weis AR7 #29A]

1240 [Ref: Burke Peerage p2184, Moncreiffe RoyalAnc p11, Tapsell Dynasties p178, Weis AR7 #27],

place:

[Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/2/2004-105141, Paget HRHCharles p16, Reitwiesner Joan p80, Weis AR7 #29A]

Sources with Information about marriage to (Unk) Of Chester

date:

abt 1192 [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1999]

first marriage of Llywelyn [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p298],

names:

Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH & ___ Of Chester [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1999, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p151, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p298]

Sources with Information about marriage to Joan

date:

1204 [Ref: ES III.2 #356, Paget HRHCharles p16]

1205 [Ref: Weis AR7 #176]

1205/6 [Ref: Hoff LLOYD p142]

1206 [Ref: Weis AR7 #29A]

before 23 Mar 1204/5 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p298]

betrothed 15 Oct 1204, married 1205 or 1206 [Ref: Sheppard Joan p29]

betrothed before 15 Oct 1204 Married Ascenciontide 1206 [Ref: Reitwiesner Joan p80]

second marriage of Llewellyn [Ref: CP I p22],

names:

[Ref: CMH p608, Richardson PA p11, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p53, Sheppard RoyalByeBlowsI p98, Weis AR7 #27, Weis MC #41, William Reitwiesner SGM 11/7/2001-224738],

child:

[Ref: Don Stone SGM 9/15/1997-025622, Douglas Richardson SGM 12/3/2000, Hoff LLOYD p142, MacEwen Elen, Reitwiesner Joan p82, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p224, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p298, Roberts RD600 p387, Roberts RD600 p390, Roberts RD600 p393, Roberts RD600 p408, Roberts RD600 p409, Roberts RD600 p411, Roberts RD600 p412, Roberts RD600 p413, Sheppard Joan p30, Watney WALLOP #613, Weis AR7 #236, Weis AR7 #246, Weis AR7 #254, Weis AR7 #29A, Weis MC #114]

Sources with Inaccurate marriage information

child:

Gladys DHU (#10265) [Ref: CP I p22, CP IX p276, Paget HRHCharles p476, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p164, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p298, Sanders Baronies p98(7), Watney WALLOP #613]

Helen (#13699) wife of Malcoln Earl of Fife and Donald Earl of Mar [Ref: CP I p306, CP V p373, CP VIII p403 (with corr in XIV p464), Reitwiesner Joan p84, Reitwiesner Joan p86, SP I p427, SP IV p9, SP V p578, Watney WALLOP #31, Watney WALLOP #651, Weis AR7 #252, Weis MC #41]

Sources with Information about marriage to Eve FITZ WARIN

date:

[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p299]

first marriage of Eve, and second of Llywelyn [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/2/2004-105141],

names:

[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p200]

Sources with Information about marriage to Tangwystl Of Rhos

child:

[Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/14/1999, Reitwiesner Joan p81, Weis AR7 #176, Weis AR7 #260, Weis AR7 #27]

Sources with Information about marriage to unknown

names:

[Ref: Reitwiesner Joan p84],

child:

[Ref: Reitwiesner Joan p81, Reitwiesner Joan p82, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p298, Tapsell Dynasties p178]

Sources with Inaccurate marriage information

child:

Helen (#13699) wife of Malcoln Earl of Fife and Donald Earl of Mar [Ref: CP XII/1 p541]

Research Notes:
Prince of North Wales [Ref: CP II p302, CP II p304, CP II p307, CP V p373, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p612, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p287, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p298, Roberts RD600 p387, Roberts RD600 p390, Roberts RD600 p393, Weis AR7 #176, Weis AR7 #27]
Prince of Aberffraw [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p298]
Prince of Wales [Ref: Moncreiffe RoyalAnc p10]
Prince of Gwynedd [Ref: Tapsell Dynasties p178]
Lord of Snowdon [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p298]

heir of his father [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p298]

1173-1240: Prince of North Wales [Ref: Weis AR7 #176, Weis AR7 #27]

abt 1191: Llywelyn was betrothed to the daughter of the King of Man when she was aged eight, with her consent, and that of her relatives. But Llywelyn then declined to take her to wife [having been betrothed to her, but not having had carnal knowledge of her at that time], so she was betrothed to his uncle Rhodri. [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1999]

The Pope found, however, that as Llywelyn and the girl were initially betrothed when she was aged eight, she could not have given proper consent. Also, the union was only 'per verbis de futuro,' or that they intended to wed sometime in the future. They had not been properly blessed [before the church by a priest], and they had never lived together, but had been separated by land and sea [hence their union ws not consummated]. This means Llywelyn was not properly married to the girl prior to the time she was properly wed to his uncle Rhodri. [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1999]

abt 1192: the King of Man declined to send her to Wales at the time appointed, so Llywelyn, without any opposition, took to wife a sister of the Earl of Chester [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1999]

1194: "And king Richard returned from Jerusalem. And then Llywelyn, son of Iorwerth, and Rhodri, son of Owain, and the two sons of Cynan, son of Owain, combined against David, son of Owain Gwynedd, and oppugned all the territory of David, except three castles." [Brut, 240-1.] [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1999]

1194-1240: Prince of Gwynedd [Ref: Tapsell Dynasties p178]

abt 1195: after Rhodri's death, Llywelyn asked the King of Man if he could marry the king's younger daughter (which might indicate Llywelyn knew his uncle had carnal knowledge of the elder girl). But she was already coupled with another man, so Llywelyn, with the permission of the judges, coupled with the Pincess of the Isles [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1999]

"Calendar of entries in the Papal Registers relating to Great Britain and Ireland - Papal Letters, vol. I, A.D. 1198-1304", edited by W. H. Bliss (Public Record Office, 1893; Kraus reprint, 1971).
p. 8 (Regesta vol. IV)
7 Kal. Dec [1199]. Lateran. (f. 200)
Mandate to the bishop of Man, the Archdeacon of Bangor, and the prior of the isle of Glannan, to take cognisance of and decide the case of R. prince of Nort Wales, who wishes to marry a daughter of the prince of the Isles previously betrothed to his uncle. [Opp. ed. Migne, i. 791] [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/2/1999]

[From: C.R. Cheney and Mary G. Cheney, The Letters of Pope Innocent III, published 1967]

pg, 29: Letter dated 24 Nov. 1199. To the bp. of Man, the archdn. of Bangor, and the prior of the island of Glannach, Mandate to hear and decide case, according to the instructions given, concerning the proposed marriage of R (recte Llywelyn) prince of North Wales with the daughter of the prince of the Isles, formerly bethrothed to his uncle (Rhodri). [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 9/20/1999]

"Calendar of entries in the Papal Registers relating to Great Britain and Ireland - Papal Letters, vol. I, A.D. 1198-1304", edited by W. H. Bliss (Public Record Office, 1893; Kraus reprint, 1971).
p. 13 (Regesta vol. V)
12 Kal. May [1203]. Lateran. (f. 57d.)
Mandate to the abbot of Abenton, and prior of Henli, and Master M. canon of Berlinton, in the diocese of Bangor, to cause to be observed the sentence about the marriage between the daughter of the prince of the Isles and L[ewellin], prince of Nort Wales. [Opp. ed. Migne, ii. 49.] [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/2/1999]

[From: C.R. Cheney and Mary G. Cheney, The Letters of Pope Innocent III, published 1967]

pg.77: Letter dated 19 April 1203. To the abbot of Aberconway, the prior of Bardsey, and Mr. M, canon of Beddgelert, of dioc. Bangor. Confirms the judgement of delegates in the case committed to them, declaring that for the sake of restoring peace L(lywelyn) prince of North Wales might marry the daughter of the prince of the Isles. They had been bethrothed when she was eight years old, but later she was bethrothed against her will to his uncle, now dead. Mandate to cause the sentence to be observed, unless there be reasonable objection. [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 9/20/1999]

"Calendar of entries in the Papal Registers relating to Great Britain and Ireland - Papal Letters, vol. I, A.D. 1198-1304", edited by W. H. Bliss (Public Record Office, 1893; Kraus reprint, 1971).
p. 19 (Regesta vol. V)
13 Kal. Mar. [1205] St. Peter's. (f. 173d)
Mandate to the bishops of Ely, Norwich, and St. Asaph, to bring to an end the cause relating to the marriage of the daughter of the prince of the Isles with L. prince of North Wales. [Opp. ed. Migne, ii. 534.] [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/2/1999]

[From: C.R. Cheney and Mary G. Cheney, The Letters of Pope Innocent III, published 1967]

pg. 100: Letter dated 17 Feb. 1205. To (Eustace), bishop of Ely, (John), bishop of Norwich, and (Reiner), bishop of St. Asaph. Recounts the earlier history of the marriage-case concerning L(lywelyn) prince of North Wales and the daughter of the prince of the Isles. The last judges were not satisfied that the marriage of Llywelyn was valid and sent to the pope further evidence, including evidence that Llywelyn, when betrothed to the girl, had married a sister of (Ranulf) Earl of Chester. As a result the pope decides there has been no valid marriage between Llywelyn and the daughter of the prince of the Isles. He orders the addressees to summon the parties and give judgement accordingly. [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 9/20/1999]

there is no mention of issue--no declaration of children born, or the legitimacy of children to be born. This would clearly indicate that the Pope had no knowledge of any issue of Llywelyn by the daughter of the King of Man, and since appeal was still being made to the Pope before 1205 [the date of the third letter], local authorities may have prevented any such physical union until a final word could be received. [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1999]

Llywelyn did not wait long to negotiate another marriage. He was espoused to Joan in 1205, and married in 1206. One might argue that he had already been pursuing possible arrangements with King John before the Pope sent this declaration, and that Llywelyn's witnesses might have been so influenced, or the Pope with the King of England's influence might have tried to find reasons to invalidate the cause of marriage between Llywelyn and the daughter of the King of Man. [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1999]

1201?: first he was a friend of King John, whose daughter, Joan (died 1237) he married as his second wife, but the friendship soon ended [Ref: Wurts MCBarons p435]

1211: John reduced Llewellyn to submission. [Ref: Wurts MCBarons p435]

1212: Llewellyn recovered all his losses in North Wales [Ref: Wurts MCBarons p435]

his rights were secured by special clauses in the Magna Charta [Ref: Moncreiffe RoyalAnc p10]

1215: took Shrewsbury. His rising had been encouraged by the Pope, by France and by the English Barons. [Ref: Wurts MCBarons p435]

1239: he retired into a Cistercian Monastery. [Ref: Wurts MCBarons p435]

died as a monk [Ref: Moncreiffe RoyalAnc p10]

Obiit magnus Achilles secundus, dominus scilicet Lewelinus filius Gervaisi filii Owini Guynet, tunc princeps Walliae [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 7/27/1997]

Welsh evidence making Llywelyn the son of a daughter of Madog ap Maredudd, while not ideal, is pretty strong. The statement appears in numerous Welsh genealogical manuscripts, of which the earliest is Jesus College MS. 20 (edited in Bartrum's "Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts"), section 29, which states "Llewelyn m. Marereda merch Madawc m. Maredud" immediately following section 28, which is Llywelyn's paternal ancestry ("Llywelyn m. Iorwerth m. Ewein Gwyned m. Gruffud m. Cynan"). In his introduction to the manuscript, Bartrum states that the latest view is that the manuscript was written by somebody who learned how to write ca. 1340, but that the source on which the manuscript was based was written prior to 1200 (based on the orthography of the surviving text). The fact that Llywelyn ap Iorwerth was the latest person mentioned in the Jesus College genealogies also supports the view that it was originally written down during his lifetime, making it a good source for the identity of his mother. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 7/10/1998]

He was betrothed to, and apparently married a daughter of a "prince" of the Isles.
The third letter from Pope Innocent actually refers to Rhodri as the King of Man [rege Manniae] and Rhodri's travels to and from Man, so there is no question about who her father was in that sense. 'Prince of the Isles' was used, not LORD [dominus].
This woman had previously been betrothed to one of Llewelyn's uncles, Rhodri.
Not only was she betrothed to Rhodri, she was properly married to him in the church door [in facie Ecclesiae], and slept with him in the same bed for quite some time, so the Pope concluded that though her nurse, parents, etc., denied after his death that they had intercourse, the Pope had to declare as a matter of law that they did know each other carnally.
If the chronological accounts given in the third letter are correct, not part of the falsified information, she would have been born about 1183, since Rhodri died in 1195. [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/14/1999]

What follows is a series of posts on the marriage negotiations and marriages of Rhodri ap Owain Gwynedd and his nephew Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales, to the sister of the Earl of Chester and the daughter of the King of Man.
John Carmi Parsons was kind enough to take time to summarize the third letter of Pope Innocent III [concerning the negotiations for marriage between Llywelyn and the daughter of the King of Man]. As this is long, further commentary will follow in separate posts. I have also inserted a few comments in this post {enclosed like this}.
<< ..... ELIENSI ..... NORVICENSI, ET ..... DE SANCTO ASAPH, EPISOPIS. Ut causam matrimonii, inter filiam principis Insularum, et principem NorwalliB, vertentem terminent.
Apud S. Petrum, XIII Kal. Martii.
Cum olim dilectus filius, nobilis vir ... princeps NorwalliB, a nobis humiliter postulasset, ut de nostra sibi permissione liceret filiam nobilis viri ... principis Insularum, quam se asseruit subarrasse, ducere in uxorem, non obstante, quod ... patruo ejus eadem mulier infra nubiles annos fuerat desponsata, cum neuter eorum transduxisset eamdem, honB memoriB ... Mannen. episcopo, et dilectis filiis ... archidiacono, et ... priori de Insula Glannav. sub certa forma causam ipsam commisimus terminandam.>>
To the Bishops of Ely [Eustace], Norwich [John de Gray] and St. Asaph [Reiner]

This preamble indicates that the uncle was betrothed to the girl before she was of nubile age, but neither the uncle nor the prince himself had actually ever taken her to wife.
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Witnesses testified that the girl was betrothed, aged 8, to Llywelyn with her consent as well as that of her relatives; but because of subsequent necessity [I assume political] he declined to take her to wife, and the uncle was betrothed to her without her consent, but he [the uncle] died before having carnal knowledge of her. {That the uncle died without knowing her appears to be false testimony, the motive for which was an attempt to avoid any impdeiment that would have prevented her from being able to marry Llywelyn.}
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On the counsel of prudent men, the appointed judges conceded to the prince by apostolic authority that he might marry the girl, lest the former discord between himself and her relatives, which has now been put to rest, break forth again.
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There have been conflicting claims that L. did in fact sleep with her *while she was betrothed to his uncle*, but after diligent inspection the pope finds that L. and the girl were never even in the same region together during that betrothal, but remained separated both by land and by sea. {This appears to refer to the time of Llywelyn's original betrothal when she was about eight.}
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About a year after the girl's father declined to send her to Wales at the appointed time, Llywelyn instead, without anyone opposing it, "took to wife" a sister of the earl of Chester. Then the uncle "took to wife" the other girl, at first as his betrothed and then a year later married her at the church door; and from the first of May until the feast of St Vitus {15 June}, as many times as pleased him, he lay in the same bed with her. After a little time he returned to Wales and stayed there a year. He then returned to the Isle of Man, peacefully lived there with his wife, and returned to Wales leaving his wife in the care of her parents. Upon reaching Wales again, he died. {The Handbook of British Chronology states that Rhodri died in 1095. As one account says Llywelyn declined to take her towife, but another account states that her father declined to send her at the appointed time, in may indicate which story was given by which side.}
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However there continues to be considerable disagreement among witnesses as to whether the uncle actually ever had carnal knowledge of his wife, to whom he was tied for 3 years and 3 months from the time of their betrothal, and for 2 years, 2 months and 15 days from their marriage at the church door. [NB--this leaves no doubt that the uncle and the girl were properly married; but it's still not clear whether they had carnal knowledge of each other.]

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By the testimony of several witnesses, including the girl herself, her relatives and her nurse, the pope has heard that the uncle R. never knew her carnally.
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After the uncle's death, L. asked the king of Man if he might not marry his younger daughter, but as she was already coupled with another, L. with the permission of the aforesaid judges coupled with the oft-mentioned girl.
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However the pope determines that as the girl was only aged 8 when all this started, she could not have given proper consent; the union with L was only *per verbis de futuro*. They were never blessed together as husband and wife. The pope finds that they never lived together but were divided by land and by sea, and their union was not consummated.
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In her 9th year she was espoused to uncle R., in her tenth year married him, and for two years was often in his bed.
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Therefore it is clear that earlier letters on this matter were false; as uncle R. and the girl were in bed together, it must by law be presumed that they became one flesh (i.e., consummated the marriage), and since she was then in her 12th year and could give legitimate consent, that she was willingly with him. Therefore her consent was legitimate and she cannot now legitimately contract matrimony with his nephew.
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The pope therefore orders the aforementioned commissioners to terminate the said business without the possibility of appeal and [etc.--to declare that the two cannot marry and to order their separation if they have in fact wed].
So to summarize and add commentary:
Llywelyn was betrothed to the daughter of the King of Man when she was aged eight, with her consent, and that of her relatives. But Llywelyn then declined to take her to wife [having been betrothed to her, but not having had carnal knowledge of her at that time], so she was betrothed to his uncle Rhodri.
It was claimed that Rhodri died without having carnal knowledge of her [--had it been found that she and Rhodri had indeed had sexual intercourse, she could not then (after Rhodri's death) marry Llywelyn]. After Rhodri's death, after inquiry, judges appointed by the Pope declared that Llywelyn might be betrothed to her.
There had been conflicting claims that Llywelyn had slept with the girl while she was betrothed to his uncle, but the Pope found that Llywelyn and the girl were not even in the same region during that period.
Recounting particulars from the beginning, Llywelyn was betrothed to the girl when she was about eight. About a year after, the King of Man declined to send her to Wales at the time appointed, so Llywelyn, without any opposition, took to wife a sister of the Earl of Chester. [This would have been a politically advantageous match, and--if this testimony is accurate--would have taken place about the ninth year of age of the daughter of the King of Man, or ca. 1192 (see below).]

Then Rhodri was, first [in her ninth year], betrothed to the Princess of Man, and a year later [in her tenth year] married her in the church door [a proper legal marriage]. After this public union, Rhodri lay in the same bed with her as often as he pleased between 1 May and the feast of St. Vitus [June 15]. He then returned to Wales. After about one year, Rhodri returned to Man, again living [and sleeping] with her peacefully. Leaving her in her parents' care, he returned again to Wales, where he died [apparently in 1195].
The letter then recapitulates, stating that Rhodri was tied to the girl for three years, three months from the time of their betrothal, and two years, two months, fifteen days from the time of their marriage at the church door [which would agree with the statement that they were married at the church about one year after betrothal]. By taking this chronology into account, if we subtract her age from the year of Rhodri's death, we come to a probable birth year of about 1183.
The girl, her nurse, and her relatives all testified that Rhodri never knew her carnally [here John and I both thought of the claim asserted by Catharine of Aragon]. This claim was necessary, or Llywelyn would have been barred from marrying her.
After Rhodri's death [in 1195], Llywelyn asked the King of Man if he could marry the king's younger daughter [this might indicate Llywelyn knew his uncle had carnal knowledge of the elder girl]. But she was already coupled with another man, so Llywelyn, with the permission of the aforesaid judges, 'coupled' with the Princess of the Isles that we have been discussing.
[Now here we have a difficulty in interpretation. The verb 'copulare' can be ambiguous in meaning. Here it seems to indicate that Llywelyn and the girl were physically united in sexual intercourse, but it can also mean joining together in other senses, such as being grouped together (in the same place, like captives), grouped (like notes), to unite by ties of marriage, to reconcile, to bind or oblige, to form a tie of peace or friendship, or even to unite in spiritual love (Dictionary of Medieval Latin from British Sources)].
The Pope found, however, that as Llywelyn and the girl were initially betrothed when she was aged eight, she could not have given proper consent. Also, the union was only 'per verbis de futuro,' or that they intended to wed sometime in the future. They had not been properly blessed [before the church by a priest], and they had never lived together, but had been separated by land and sea [hence their union ws not consummated]. This means Llywelyn was not properly married to the girl prior to the time she was properly wed to his uncle Rhodri.
She was espoused to his uncle Rhodri in her ninth year, married to him in her tenth year, and often in his bed after that for a period of two years [before he died in 1195].
It was clear to the Pope that there was false testimony, and that the claims that Rhodri never carnally knew the girl were untrue. By law, it must be presumed that since she and Rhodri lay in bed together they became one flesh [consummated the marriage], and that since she was in her twelfth year and was with Rhodri willingly, she thus indicated her consent. As her marriage with Rhodri was by law complete and legitimate, the girl 'cannot now legitimately contract marriage' with Llywelyn. The Pope therefore orders the commissioners to terminate the business--he declares that Llywelyn and the girl cannot marry, and orders their separation if they have in fact been [since] wed.
This implies to me that at the time Pope Innocent III sent this letter, he was not aware of any proper marriage between Llywelyn and the Princess. I am confused by the implication that Llywelyn and the girl coupled [joined in physical union] at some point after Rhodri's death. That, and the girl's willingness at the time should have constituted marriage. The Pope would have then had to declare that the marriage was invalid and quash it. But that is not what seems to be said at the end in the declaration.
One final important point. If any children had been born to the union, a determination would have had to be made as to their legitimacy. If the girl had borne any children fathered by Rhodri [even a miscarriage], it would have been evidence of consummation and mentioned. If Llywelyn had fathered a child, having had the approbation of ecclesiastical judges [letter two, discussed before on this group], it could be argued that they would be declared legitimate. But if the bride lied about consummating her marriage with Rhodri, it might be that any such child by Llywelyn would be declared illegitimate.
The point is, there is no mention of issue--no declaration of children born, or the legitimacy of children to be born. This would clearly indicate that the Pope had no knowledge of any issue of Llywelyn by the daughter of the King of Man, and since appeal was still being made to the Pope before 1205 [the date of this letter], local authorities may have prevented any such physical union until a final word could be received.
Llywelyn did not wait long to negotiate another marriage. He was espoused to Joan in 1205, and married in 1206. One might argue that he had already been pursuing possible arrangements with King John before the Pope sent this declaration, and that Llywelyn's witnesses might have been so influenced, or the Pope with the King of England's influence might have tried to find reasons to invalidate the cause of marriage between Llywelyn and the daughter of the King of Man.
The above would also indicate that the King of Man had two daughters, the elder [who married Rhodri], born about 1183, and a younger daughter, already coupled [at least espoused] by 1196.
As Llywelyn's betrothal to the daughter of the King of Man was not valid, and as he had, without any opposition, married the sister of the Earl of Chester [apparently] the following year, it would indicate that she was dead by the time Llywelyn began negotiations to marry a daughter of the King of Man anew. We know he resumed this by 1199, and continued until 1205. He could not have begun negotiations for marriage to the younger or elder daughter of the King of Man while lawfully married to another, and there is no declaration that his marriage to the sister of the Earl of Chester was invalid.
If this is correct, Llywelyn would have married the sister of the Earl of Chester sometime around 1192, and she must have been dead, without issue that survived beyond 1232 [if she was legitimate] by 1199. Also, if Llywelyn had had any issue which survived to adulthood by either of these women, it would be likely they would be mentioned somewhere in the Welsh pedigrees [as were children of Owain Gwynedd, Iorwerth ap Owain, etc.]

Of course, the concusions in the above posts depend on the accuracy of the testimony in the Papal letters and other sources.
The sons and grandsons of Owain Gwynedd [son of Gruffudd ap Cynan], ruler over Gwynedd [North Wales], who died 1170 [Bartrum says he was b. ca. 1100], are the main players in this story. Owain had matches with at least nine women. Christina/Cristin f. Gronwy was considered a legitimate wife. The following children are given in the _Handbook of British Chronology_, after which are additional children listed in Bartum's Welsh Genealogies [Gruffudd ap Cynan, various charts]: (1) Rhun, d. 1146. (2) Hywel, killed 1170 [son by Ffynnod Wyddeles ("an Irish woman"); issue: Caswallon]. (3) Iorwerth Drwyndwn [flatnose], son by the first 'wife' Gwladus f. Llywarch, was father of LLYWELYN ap Iorwerth [both the _Handbook of British Chronology_ and Lloyd's _History of Wales_ state that Llywelyn was born in 1173] and Adda ap Iorwerth. He married the daughter of Madog ap Meredydd, Prince of Powys. One account states that Iorwerth was excluded from his share in the succession because of his deformity, and was driven out of Gwynedd, meeting an untimely demise in Powys. But an elegy upon him by Seisyll Brffwrch calls him ruler of Arfon, and his grave is said to be in the church of Llandudclud [now Penmachno] at the head of the Conway Valley. Lloyd also thinks there is good reason to believe he held the commote of Nanconwy with the castle of Dolwyddelan. Wynne says Iorwerth received the hundreds of Nanconwy and Ardydwy as his inheritance, and that he dwelled at the castle of Dolwyddelan, where it is though his son Llywelyn might have been born. (4) Maelgwn [son by Gwladus], who received Anglesey as his portion. (5) David ap Owain [son by his second wife Christina] eventually won Gwynedd from his other male relatives in 1175, was dispossessed in 1194, and died in exile in 1203. David had married, 1174, Emma, natural daughter of Geoffrey of Anjou. (6) RHODRI ap Owain [son by Christiana], married (1) a daughter of Rhys ap Gruffudd of Deheubarth, and (2) the elder daughter of the King of Man. Rhodr i died in 1195. (7) Cynan ap Owain [mother not known], died in 1174. He had sons Gruffudd ap Cynan [d. 1200] and Maredudd [d. 1212]. (a) Angharad [daughter by Cristin], married Gruffudd Maelor. (b) Gwenllian [Gwenllian I, daughter by Gwladus], married Owain Cyneiliog. [other children listed by Bartum, order not known:] (8) Rhirid, married a daughter of Iarll Desmond [Desmond, in Ireland?] (9) Iago [son by Mofudd f. Elfan ap Sandde]. (10) Philip [son by Mofudd f. Elfan ap Sandde]. (11) Madog. (12) Einion. (13) Cynwrig [I]. (14) Cynwrig [II] (15) Cadell. (c) Gwenllian [II].
Bartrum shows that Rhodri ap Owain Gwynedd married, in 1188, Gwenllian ferch Arglwydd Rhys, by whom she had two sons, Gruffudd and Cynan. Bartrum states that Rhodri then married, in 1193, a child, daughter of Reginald, King of Man, but they had no issue. Bartrum also attribues two other sons to Rhodri, Thomas and Einion, but the identity of their mother is unknown (concubine).
Sources for the following chronology and events:
Sir John Edward Lloyd, _History of Wales_ (1948, first published 1911) 2:549-54, 564-6, 587-90, 617.
_Brut y tywysogion; or the Chronicle of the Princes_ (London, 1860), ed. John Williams ab Ithel, 238-41.
_Handbook of British Chronology_ (London, 1986) [Royal Historical Society], 51.
_Medieval Anglesey_ (Llangefni, 1982), A. D. Carr, 44-7.
_The Itinerary of Archbishop Baldwin through Wales, A.D. MCLXXXVIII [Spring, 1188], by Giraldus de Barri [Geraldus Cambrensis]..._, Sir Richard Colt Hoare (London, 1806), v. 2.
Sir John Wynn, _History of the Gwydir Family_,e d. J. Ballinger (1927), 7.
DNB; and Dictionary of Welsh Biography [under Rhodri ab Owain].
Chronology:
1170: Owain Gwynedd dies. His sons dispute his lands. His son Hywel is defeated and killed at the battle of Pentraeth by his brothers Dafydd and Rhodri. Gwynedd [North Wales] was divided and the share of Anglesey fell to their brother Maelgwn.
1172: Owain Gwynedd's brother Cadwaladr dies on 29 February, increasing the lands claimed by Owain's sons.
1173: Dafydd drives his brother Maelgwn from Anglesey and forces him to flee to Ireland.
1174: Dafydd expands his ambitions and attempts the conquest of all of Gwynedd. The death of his brother Cynan helps remove one opponent. Iorwerth may also have been dead by this time. Maelgwn returns from Ireland, but is imprisoned. This left only his brother Rhodri and his nephews to oppose him. Dafydd conquers the whole region, displacing the others. Having not been necessarily unloyal to Henry, King of England, in the upheaval of 1173-4, Dafydd sends a special envoy to ask the king for the hand of his half-sister, Emma, illegitimate daughter of Geoffrey of Anjou, "famed for her beauty, and now, it would seem, a widow." The marriage took place in the summer of 1174.
1175: Rhodri, as his most important rival, is imprisoned by Dafydd, but escapes from captivity and drives Dafydd out of Gwynedd west of the Conwy [before the end of the year], establishing a balance of power. The sons of Cynan also recover their father's lands. Dafydd, unable to overcome this defeat, agrees to the partition. Rhodri was to hold these lands peacefully through the next decade.
Rhodri enters into an alliance with Rhys ap Gruffydd, Prince of South Wales, and marries one of his daughters [Gwenllian].
1177: Rhodri and the sons of Cynan are absent from the Council of Oxford, before the King of England. Dafydd was in attendance, as were the rulers of South Wales.
1188: Baldwin, Archbishop of Canterbury, tours Wales [accompanied by Giraldus] recruiting for the crusade [Jerusalem had fallen to enemies the previous year]. He preached at a place in Anglesey, possibly Porthwaethwy. Rhodri and his men, in the audience, declined to take the cross. Rhodri is chastised for his marriage to his cousin [the daughter of Rhys ap Gruffydd]
which fell within the prohibited degrees (this would indicate his first wife was still very much alive).
Gerald relates: "From Bangor, we crossed over a small arm of the sea to the island of Mona, distant from thence about two miles, where Roderic [Rhodri], the younger son of Owen, attended by nearly all the inhabitants of the island ... came in a devout manner to meet us. Confession havingbeen made in a place near the shore, ... many persons were induced to take the cross, by the persuasuve discourses of the Archbishop, and Alexander, our interpreter .... Many chosen youths of the family of Roderic were seated on an opposite rock, and not one of them could be prevailed upon to take the cross, although the Archbishop and others most earnestly exhorted them, but in vain, by an address particularly addressed to them. It came to pass within three days,as if by divine vengeance, that these young men, with many others, pursued some robbers of that country; being discomfited and put to flight, some were slain, others mortally wounded, and the survivors voluntarily assumed that cross they had before despised. Roderic ... who a short time before had incestuously married the daughter of Rhys, related to himby blood in the third degree; in order, by the assistance of that prince, to be better able to defend himself against the sons of his brothers, whom he disinherited, not paying attention to the wholesome admonistions of the Archbishop on this subject [was eventually dispossessed of his lands]. [Itinerary, 101-2]

Lloyd says that Llywelyn ap Iorwerth attained his majority in 1188 [at age 14] and began to make trouble for his uncles [2:565]. Lloyd specifically states that he was born in the early part of 1173 [2:587]. It appears that Llywelyn's father, Iorwerth, died while Llywelyn was an infant, and that Llywelyn was raised in his mother's land of Powys.
1190/1: Rhodri is driven out of Anglesey by his nephews, the sons of Cynan ap Owain. He seeks the aid of Reginald, King of Man, and pledges to marry his daughter. Lloyd says "about 1190," some accounts say 1190, and another 1191. Godred, king of Man, had died in 1187, and his minor son Olaf was displaced by Godred's natural son "Reginald."
1193: Rhodri ap Owain "subjugated the isle of Mona [Anglesey], through the aid of the sons of Godrich, king of Man; but before the end of the year he was expelled by the sons of Cynan, son of Owain Gwynedd, his nephews." [Brut, 238-9.] The victory by Rhodri was known as 'Haf y Gwyddyl.' It was apparently called 'the Gaelic summer' because of the influx of Gaelic-speaking men from the Isle of Man that had accompanied Rhodri into Gwynedd.
1194: "And king Richard returned from Jerusalem. And then Llywelyn, son of Iorwerth, and Rhodri, son of Owain, and the two sons of Cynan, son of Owain, combined against David, son of Owain Gwynedd, and oppugned all the territory of David, except three castles." [Brut, 240-1.] But conflicting accounts indicate that Rhodri sided with David and was defeated by Llywelyn at Coed Aneu in Anglesey, and that Rhodri's defeat left him with almost nothing. DWB says it is unknown if Rhodri "returned from exile and shared in his brother Dafydd's humiliation in 1194". Lloyd makes reference to the various conflicting sources [2:588-8].
1195: Rhodri dies, and is buried at Holyhead/Caergybi.
DNB states there are several poems to Rhodri: The 'Myvyrian Archaiology' contains one by Gwalchmai (2nd ed., p. 146 [in which Rhodri is called the "great rampart of his people"]), one by Elidyr Sais (p. 241), and four by Llywarch ap Llywelyn (pp. 201-3).
This appears to agree with the information in the second and third letters from Innocent III. It would seem Rhodri properly married the daughter of the King of Man in 1193, sleeping with her from 1 May to 15 June [the feast of St. Vitus]. It would make sense that having fulfilled and consumated his marriage pledge, the King of Man sent forces with Rhodri to reconquer his lands in Anglesey in the summer of 1193. If the testimony in the third letter is correct, it would help us narrow down the date of Rhodri's death. If he married her shortly before 1 May 1193, and was bound to him for another 2 years, 2 months, 15 days, he would have died sometime about 16 July 1195. Of course, this is speculation based on the accuracy of the testimony of the information sent from Innocent III, but it helps narrow things down a little. [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1999]

[From Migne's Latin Patrologiae 214, 791-2. (24 November 1199)]

CCXXXIII
MANNENSI EPISCOPO, ARCHIDIACONO BANGORENSI ET PRIORI DE INSULA GLANNAVO.
Ne ante septennium sponsalia contrahantur.
(Laterani, viii Kal. Decembris.)
Postulavit a nobis dilectus filius vir nobilis R. princeps Norwali, ut de concessione nostra sibi liceret filiam dilecti filii principis Insularum subharrhatam ab ipso accipere in uxorem, non obstante quod patruo ejus eadem infra nubiles annos exstitit desponsata cum tamen a neutro traducta fuisset. Verum quoniam nobis constare non potuit cujus tatis puella tempore subarrhationis vel desponsationis exstiterit et cui antea fuerit, puta nepoti vel patruo, desponsata, cum secundum diversitates factorum jura etiam sint diversa, in hujusmodi certum non potuimus dare responsum, quoniam juxta canonicas sanctiones in rebus ambiguis non est absolutum judicium proferendum. Volentes autem, quantum cum Deo possumus, justas postulationes prfati principis sine difficultate qualibet exaudire, inquisitionem eorum qu prmismus sub certa forma examini vestro duximus committendam, quid juris sit in singulis articulis supponentes. Quocirca discretioni vestr per apostolica scripta mandamus quatenus vocatis ad prsentiam vestram quos videritis evocandos, sollicite inquiratis utrum puella septennium non attigerit quando subarrhata exstitit a nepote, vel patruo desponsata. In utroque namque istorum casuum, quia tam subarrhatio quam desponsatio de jure non tenuit, qu non potest septennium prvenire, quod factum est a patruo primo vel postea non obstante, nisi aliud quid impediat, puella eadem legitime contrahere poterit cum nepote. Si vero tam subarrhationis quam desponsationis tempore septennis exstitit vel majoris tatis, cum ex tunc incipiant placere sponsalia, si prcessit desponsatio patrui, non potuit contrahere cum nepote; quoniam secundum traditiones et observantias regulares nullus potest sponsam consanguinei sui accipere in uxorem, et hi duo casus non ad imparia judicantur. Si autem subarrhatio facta cum nepote prcessit, quod secutum fuit postea non tenente, cum per secundum factum non potuerit primum dissolvi, quod quantum ad sponsalia sortitum fuerit firmitatem, volentibus personis principalibus, matrimonium inter eas poterit consummari. Si vero nepos eam ante septennium subarrhavit et patruus in septennio vel post septennium desponsavit eamdem, nepos eam propter rationem prmissam ducere non poterit in uxorem, sin, vice versa, eam sibi legitime poterit copulare. Pro iis qu prmismus memori commendatis, cum de facto vobis constiterit, de jure non poteritis dubitare. Vos ergo, appelatione remota, secundum prmissas distinctiones injunctum vobis curetis negotium diffinire. Quod si omnes, etc., tu, frater episcope, cum eorum altero.
Dat. Lat. viii Kal. Decembris. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 7/2/1999]

Translation:
To the bishop of [Mannensus - Menevia, St Davids?] Archdeacon of Bangor and Prior of the Island of [Glannavus]

Betrothals may not be contracted before the age of seven
From the Lateran, 24 November
Our beloved son R the noble prince of North Wales has applied for from us, as he {?may have been - subjunctive mood} allowed by our concession to him to take as wife the pledged daughter of our beloved son the Prince of the Isles, that he was not obstructed because it emerged that his paternal uncle had also betrothed her below the marriageable age when however it may not have been made public by either party. Yet, since it was not able to be agreed by us whose pledge or betrothal may have existed when the girl was {?became} of age, and whose may have been prior to that, [puta - ??] nephew or uncle was betrothed, when after differences of fact the {jura - judge? jury? judgment? evidence?} on this may also be contradictory, because of this we were not able to give a definitive response, seeing that the canon law does not give {?allow} absolute judgment on ambiguous things.
We are willing, however, {?as much as we can with God}, to listen to just claims of the prefatory principles without difficulty, (the inquisition of which we sent ahead which we sent to you under a certain form for your examination), which may be presented in a single clause of oaths. Therefore we submit this to your discretion {?by means of the apostolic writings}, as far as who you call summoning to your presence, you should take evidence to solicit whether the girl had not attained the seventh year when the pledge with the nephew arose, or the engagement with the uncle. In both cases for example in that event, because the law did not admit the pledge or that betrothal, which is not able to come before the seventh year, notwithstanding because it was done by the uncle first or later, unless there may be other hindrances, the same girl would be able to contract with the nephew. If in fact so much as a pledge of betrothal existed at the time of the seventh year or if you like the {age of majority - majoris}, from which time they may begin to satisfy the engagement, if it preceded the betrothal with the uncle, she was not able to contract with the nephew, seeing that according to tradition and regular observances no-one is able to take the fiancee/bride [sponsa] of a relative as his wife, {and these two events are not judged unequal}. If however the pledge made with the nephew went before, {because [? - secutum]
was later not holding, when by the second event it would not be possible to dissolve the first, because as much as the decided arrangement would be steadfastly held to by the principal parties, it would be possible for the marriage between them to be consummated [is there a 'not' missing from this sentence?]. If in fact the nephew was pledged to her before the seventh year and the uncle betrothed her in or after the seventh year, the nephew would not be able to take her as wife on account of the foregoing reasoning, but if it were vice versa, he would legitimately be able to consummate [copulare]. You recommend according to those memorials which we have sent ahead, when the events may be agreed {?determined} by you, you will not be able to doubt the law. You therefore, by means of remote appeal, you may attend to the business in accordance with the attached differentiation sent to you. But if all, etc., you, brother bishop, with others of these,
Given at the Lateran on the 24th November [Ref: Suzanne Doig SGM 7/27/1999]

[From Migne's Latin Patrologiae 215, 49-50. (19 April 1203)]

XLVII
ABBATI DE ABENTON (99), PRIORI DE HENLI, ET MAGISTRO M CANONICO DE BERLINTON, BANGORENSIS DICESEOS.
Confirmat sententiam de sponsalibus inter filiam princeps Insularum et principem Norwalli.
(Laterani, xiii Kal. Maii.)
Olim dilectus filius, nobilis vir, N. (100), princeps Norwalli, a nobis humiliter postulavit, ut de concessione nostra liceret eidem filiam nobilis viri ....... principis Insularum, quam se subarrhasse scribebat, ducere in uxorem, etc. In eumdem fere modum, sicut in Regesto secundi anni (101), mense Decembri usque poterit copulare. Partibus itaque in prdictorum judicum prsentia constitutis, sicut ipsi per suas nobis litteras intimarunt, eis per testes constitit evidenter, quod puella, completis octo annis, a L. principe Norwalli, tam suo quam suorum consensu parentum, subarrhata fuerat, sed, eo ex necessitate traducere differente, a patruo sine suo consensu postmodum desponsata, qui, ea nequaquam carnaliter cognita, viam fuerat univers carnis ingressus. Unde, ipsi judices, communicato prudentum virorum consilio, puellam eamdem a L. prdicto, Norwalli principe, sententialiter concesserunt auctoritate apostolica desponsari, ne discordia inter illos olim exorta, nunc autem sopita, iterum oriatur, sicut nobis per suas litteras intimarunt. Nos igitur eorumdem sententiam, nisi aliud rationabile quid obsistat, ratam et firmam habentes, prsentium vobis auctoritate mandamus, quatenus ipsam faciatis, appellatione remota, per censuram ecclesiasticam inviolabiliter observari. Nullis litteris veritati, etc. Quod si non omnes ... duo, etc.
Notes from Migne's Latin Patrologiae:
(99) De abbatibus hujus monasterii, circa hc in quibus versamur tempora, nihil apud auctores "Monastic. Angl."
(100) Qui hic initiali N. alibi (vid. not. seq.) R. littera designatur; sed forsan utrobique male. Rectius, ut infra, in hac ipsa epistola, L. Lewellinum enim, Norwalli principem, circa hc tempora diserte nominat auctor cotaneus, et ipse patria Wallensis, Giraldus, "De jure et statu Menevensis eccles." part. ii, pag. 554. Lewellinus, item, fundator abbati Aberconweyensis in agro Carmarthensi, prodit in charta data anno 1198, principatus sui decimo, vii Id. Januarii. "Monastic. Anglic.", tom. 1, pag. 918. An idem ac Lewellinus, princeps Wenedoci, cui Joannes, Anglorum rex, Annam filiam suam in uxorem dederat, et munitiones ac oppida sua abstulisse dicitur anno 1211, cum Norwalliam magno exercitu stipatus adiisset? "Annal. eccles. Menens." ad ann. 1211 (Vide etiam "Annal. eccles. Wigorn., Angl. sacr." part. i, pag. 481 et 482.)
(101) Epistola 233, ad Mannensum (legendum, forsan Menevensem) episcopum, archidiaconum Bangorensem, et priorem de insula Glannavo, directa. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 7/2/1999]

[From Migne's Latin Patrologiae 215, 534-7]

CCXX.
..... ELIENSI ..... NORVICENSI, ET ..... DE SANCTO ASAPH, EPISOPIS.
Ut causam matrimonii, inter filiam principis Insularum, et principem Norwalli, vertentem terminent.
(Apud S. Petrum, XIII Kal. Martii.)
Cum olim dilectus filius, nobilis vir ... princeps Norwalli, a nobis humiliter postulasset, ut de nostra sibi permissione liceret filiam nobilis viri ... principis Insularum, quam se asseruit subarrasse, ducere in uxorem, non obstante, quod ... patruo ejus eadem mulier infra nubiles annos fuerat desponsata, cum neuter eorum transduxisset eamdem, hon memori ... Mannen. episcopo, et dilectis filiis ... archidiacono, et ... priori de Insula Glannav. sub certa forma causam ipsam commisimus terminandam. Partibus itaque in prdictorum judicum prsentia constitutis, sicut ipsi per suas nobis litteras intimarunt, per testes ejus constitut evidenter, quod prdicta puella, octo annis expletis, ab L. principe Norwalli, tam suo quam suorum assensu parentum, fuerat subarrhata, sed, eo ex necessitate ipsam transducere differente, ejusdem L. patruus ipsam sine consensu ejus postmodum desponsavit, qui, ea nequaquam carnaliter cognita, viam fuerat univers carnis ingressus. Judices ergo prdicti, communicato prudentium virorum consilio, prdicto Norwalli principi auctoritate apostolica concesserunt, ut puellam desponsaret eamdem, ne discordia inter ipsum et parentes puell olim exorta, et tunc sopita, iterum oriretur. Nos igitur, eorumdem sententiam, nisi aliud rationabile quidem obstaret, volentes firmitatem debitam obtinere, dilectis filiis ... abbati de Abenton ... priori de Henli, et magistro M. canonico de Berlinton. Bangorensis diceseos, dedimus in mandatis, ut ipsam facerent, appellatione remota, per censuram ecclesiasticam firmiter observari. Abbas vero prdictus, et conjudices sui, propter conditionem in litteris nostris expressam, super matrimonio illo, sicut in eorum litteris perspeximus contineri, studiose ac sollicite, receptis testibus, veritatem inquirere curaverunt. Habitis ergo quatuor productionibus testium, et redactis in scriptis despositionibus eorumdem, ea, qu ad decisionem caus credebant sufficere, de utriusque partis assensu, nobis transmittere curaverunt, ut nobis rei veritas eluceret, consuleretur conscienti principis supradicti, qui priores judices, et prsertim archidiaconum et priorem dicebat juris ignaros, et litteras nostras per falsam suggestionem obtentas, nec se credebat cum eadem puella posse salvari, qu patruo ejus tradita in uxorem in uno lecto spius fuerat cum eodem. Nos igitur, depositionibus testium diligenter inspectis, probatum invenimus per easdem, quod idem L. puellam ipsam ducturum se juraverat in uxorem, sed nec ipsam transduxerat, nec probabatur per testes, quod benedictus fuerit, aut in una terra fuerit cum eadem, utpote quorum terras mare medium dividebat. In actis quoque judicum perspeximus contineri, quod suffucientibus testimoniis probatum fuerat coram ipsis, octo annorum fuisse puellam, quando idem L. eam juraverat se ducturum. Cumque pater puell filiam suam in Norwalliam ad statutum terminum ducere distulis set, idem L. sororem nobilis viri ... comitis Castri, sine contradictione qualibet, circa fluem illius anni duxerat in uxorem, et R. patruus ejus puellam desponsaverat memoratum, et post annum in facie Ecclesi, cum illa contraxerat, et a principio Maii usque ad festum beati Viti martyris, quoties ei placuit, in eodem lecto jacuerat cum eadem, et in Walliam fuerat elapso tempore aliquanto reversus. Cterum, transacto secundo anno a tempore desponsationis, primo vero a tempore nuptiarum, in Manniam rediens, pacifice cohabitavit uxori, et eam secum per terram et mare deduxit, sed, ea tandem sub parentum cura relicta, in Walliam rediit, ibique fuit viam univers carnis ingressus. Ex dictis igitur testium collegerunt judices supradicti, quod prdictus R. puellam eamdem a tempore desponsationis habuerat per triennium, et tres menses, sed per biennium, duos menses, et dies quindecim a tempore nuptiarum; fuit autem diversitas inter testes, cum quidam, ex eo quod puella erat tunc temporis macilenta, quod non fuisset carnaliter cognita existamarent, licet esset tate nubilis, et toro matura; quidam autem nescire se dicerent, si carnaliter cognita exstitisset, quidam vero crederent, quod cognita non fuisset, quidam vero ab ipso R. assererent se audisse, quod eam carnaliter non cognovit; licet adjicerent se nescire, utrum postmodum fuerit cum eadem. Verum, prdictus episcopus Manni, sicut in scriptis ejus, et suorum conjudicum secundo delegati perspexerant contineri, conjudicibus ejus absentibus, tam ex ipsius puell quam parentum, nutricis et famularum ejus didicit juramentis, quod prdictus R. puellam ipsam carnaliter non cognovit. Patruo ergo viam univers carnis ingresso, cum prdictus L. a rege Manni juniorem filiam in conjugum postulasset, nec id obtinere potuisset ab eo, utpote cum ipsa fuisset alii copulata, spedictam puellam de assensu priorum judicum sibi postmodum copulavit. Constitit igitur ex prdictis quod inter spedictum L. et prdictam puellam, cum octo esset annorum cujus tamen consensus non invenitur expressus, antequam cum ipsa ejusdem L. patruus contraxisset, tantummodo per verba de futuro fuerunt sponsalia celebrata, ita quod nec idem L. transduxerat aut subarrharat eamdem, nec cum ipsa fuerat benedictus, quin imo nec in eadem fuerant terra simul, utpote quorum terras, sicut superius est expressum, mare medium dividebat: unde prsumi non potest quod aliquid attentarint, quod non potuerint consummare. Constitut etiam per prdicta quod puella ipsa in nono anno spedicto R. desponsata fuerat, et in decimo ab ipso transducta, et ultra biennium in uno lecto frequenter fuerat cum eodem. Unde colligitur manifeste quod prim litter per falsam fuerunt suggestionem obtent, cum contineatur in illis quod neuter eorum transduxit eamdem. Cumque tandin simul in uno lecto fuissent, de jure prsumitur quod facti fuerint una caro, cum etiam in duodecimo anno, in quo liberum et legitimum habet in hujusmodi puella consensum, voluntarie fuerit cum eodem, patet eam in ejus matrimonium legitime consensisse, nec potuisse contrahere postmodum cum nepote. Unde idem L. ducere ipsam de jure non potuit, et, si de facto ipsam sibi post mortem patrui copulavit, ab ea est merito separandus. Ideoque fraternitati vestr per apostolica scripta mandamus, quatenus, vocatis qui propter hoc fuerint evocandi, causam ipsam secundum prcriptam formam, appellatione postposita, terminetis, facientes, etc.
Datum Rom, apud Sanctum Petrum, XIII Kal. Martii. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 7/31/1999]



Pedigree of Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH, Prince Of North Wales
                                                                /-----Idwal Foel Prince Of Gwynedd
                                                       /-----Meyric Prince Of North Wales
                                                      |         \-----Avendreg Of Powys
                                              /-----Idwal Prince Of North Wales
                                     /-----Iago Ab Idwal, Prince Of Gwynedd
                            /-----Cynan Ap Iago, Prince Of North Wales
                   /-----Gruffydd Ap Cynan, Prince Of Gwynedd
                  |        |                                    /-----Sitric II CAOCH, King Of Dublin
                  |        |                           /-----Olaf III Sihtricsson, King Of Yorks And Dublin
                  |        |                  /-----Sihtric III Of The Silken Beard OLAFSON, King Of Dublin
                  |        |                 |        |         /-----Murchad Ui DUNLAINGE, King Of Laigin & Leinster
                  |        |                 |         \-----Gormflaith Of Nass
                  |        |                 |                  \-----(Unk Princess) Of Connacht
                  |        |         /-----Olaf Of Dublin
                  |        |        |        |                  /-----Cennetig Dal Cais King Of Munster And Thomond
                  |        |        |        |         /-----Brian Boruma, King Of Cashel And Munster, High
                  |        |        |        |        |         \-----Be Bind
                  |        |        |         \-----Slani
                  |        |        |                 |         /-----Carrlus Mac AILELLA, King Of Ui Adea Ocba
                  |        |        |                  \-----Echrad
                  |         \-----Ragnaillt Of Dublin
                  |                 |                           /-----Augaire Ui DUNLAINGE, King Of Laigin & Leinster
                  |                 |                  /-----Tuathal Ui DUNLAINGE, King Of Laigin & Leinster
                  |                 |         /-----Dunlang Ui DUNLAINGE, King Of Laigin & Leinster
                  |                  \-----Maelcorcre Of Leinster
          /-----Owain Gwynedd Prince Of Gwynedd
         |        |                  /-----Edwin Ap Gronwy Of Tegeingl
         |        |         /-----Owain Ap Edwin
         |        |        |        |                  /-----Gwerystan
         |        |        |        |         /-----Cynfyn Ap Gwerystan
         |        |        |         \-----Iwerydd Ferch Cynfyn
         |         \-----Angharat Of Tegaingl
         |                 |         /-----Ednywain Bendew I Ap Neinad
         |                  \-----Morwyl Ferch Ednywain Bendew
 /-----Iorworth Drwyndwn Prince Of Gwynedd
|        |                           /-----Caradog
|        |                  /-----Trahaern Of Arwystil, King Of Gwynedd
|        |         /-----Llywarch
|         \-----Gladys Ferch Llywarch
|                  \-----Dyddgu Of Builth
Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH, Prince Of North Wales
|                                             /-----Gwerystan
|                                    /-----Cynfyn Ap Gwerystan
|                           /-----Bleddyn Ap Cynfyn, King Of Gwynedd And Powys
|                          |        |                           /-----Hywel Dda Ap Cadell, Prince Of Deheubarth
|                          |        |                  /-----Owain Ap Hywel, Prince Of Deheubarth
|                          |        |                 |         \-----Elen Ferch Llywarch
|                          |        |         /-----Maredudd Ab Owain, Prince Of Deheubarth
|                          |        |        |        |         /-----Llywelyn Ap Merfyn
|                          |        |        |         \-----Angharad Ferch Llywelyn
|                          |         \-----Angharad Ferch Maredudd
|                  /-----Maredudd Ap Bleddyn
|                 |        |         /-----Cillin Y Blaidd Rhudd
|                 |         \-----Haer Ferch Cillin
|         /-----Madog Ap Maredudd, Prince Of Powys Fadog
|        |        |         /-----Einudd
|        |         \-----Hunydd Ferch Einudd
 \-----Margred Ferch Madog
         |                                                      /-----Idwal Foel Prince Of Gwynedd
         |                                             /-----Meyric Prince Of North Wales
         |                                            |         \-----Avendreg Of Powys
         |                                    /-----Idwal Prince Of North Wales
         |                           /-----Iago Ab Idwal, Prince Of Gwynedd
         |                  /-----Cynan Ap Iago, Prince Of North Wales
         |         /-----Gruffydd Ap Cynan, Prince Of Gwynedd
         |        |        |                                    /-----Sitric II CAOCH, King Of Dublin
         |        |        |                           /-----Olaf III Sihtricsson, King Of Yorks And Dublin
         |        |        |                  /-----Sihtric III Of The Silken Beard OLAFSON, King Of Dublin
         |        |        |                 |        |         /-----Murchad Ui DUNLAINGE, King Of Laigin & Leinster
         |        |        |                 |         \-----Gormflaith Of Nass
         |        |        |                 |                  \-----(Unk Princess) Of Connacht
         |        |        |         /-----Olaf Of Dublin
         |        |        |        |        |                  /-----Cennetig Dal Cais King Of Munster And Thomond
         |        |        |        |        |         /-----Brian Boruma, King Of Cashel And Munster, High
         |        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Be Bind
         |        |        |        |         \-----Slani
         |        |        |        |                 |         /-----Carrlus Mac AILELLA, King Of Ui Adea Ocba
         |        |        |        |                  \-----Echrad
         |        |         \-----Ragnaillt Of Dublin
         |        |                 |                           /-----Augaire Ui DUNLAINGE, King Of Laigin & Leinster
         |        |                 |                  /-----Tuathal Ui DUNLAINGE, King Of Laigin & Leinster
         |        |                 |         /-----Dunlang Ui DUNLAINGE, King Of Laigin & Leinster
         |        |                  \-----Maelcorcre Of Leinster
          \-----Susanna Ferch Gruffudd Ap Cynan
                  |                  /-----Edwin Ap Gronwy Of Tegeingl
                  |         /-----Owain Ap Edwin
                  |        |        |                  /-----Gwerystan
                  |        |        |         /-----Cynfyn Ap Gwerystan
                  |        |         \-----Iwerydd Ferch Cynfyn
                   \-----Angharat Of Tegaingl
                           |         /-----Ednywain Bendew I Ap Neinad
                            \-----Morwyl Ferch Ednywain Bendew



Descendants of Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH, Prince Of North Wales

1. Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH, Prince Of North Wales m1. (Unk) Of Chester m2. Joan m3. Eve FITZ WARIN m4. Tangwystl Of Rhos m5.

m. (Unk) Of Chester father: Hugh Of Kevelioc, Earl Of Chester mother: Bertrade De MONTFORT

m. Joan father: John Lackland PLANTAGENET, King Of England mother: Agatha De FERRERS

2+ Elen m1. John Le SCOT, Earl Of Chester And Huntingdon m2. Robert De QUINCY, Lord Of Ware

3+ Margaret Of Wales m1. John De BRAOSE, Baron Of Bramber m2. Walter De CLIFFORD, Baron Of Clifford

4+ Angharad m. Maelgwn Ieuanc FYCHAN, Lord Of Cardigan Is Ayron

5 Susanna

6+ Dafydd Ap Llwelyn Fawy, Prince Of Wales m1. Isabella De BRAOSE m2.

7+ (Unk Dau) m. Malcolm MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife

m. Eve FITZ WARIN father: Sir Fulk FITZ WARIN, Robin Hood mother: Maud VAVASOUR

m. Tangwystl Of Rhos father: Llywarch Goch

8+ Gladys DHU m1. Reginald De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber m2. Ralph MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore

9+ Gruffydd Ap Llywelyn m1. m2. Senena m3. Rhanullt

10 Gwenllian Las m. William De LACY

11 Dafydd Ap Llywelyn, Prince Of Gwynedd

12+ Tegwared Y BAISWEN m. Gwenllian Ferch EDNYFED VYCHAN

13 Angharad m. Philip Ab IVOR Ap CYDIFOR

2nd generation

2. Elen m1. John Le SCOT, Earl Of Chester And Huntingdon m2. Robert De QUINCY, Lord Of Ware

m. John Le SCOT, Earl Of Chester And Huntingdon father: David Earl Of Huntingdon mother: Maud Of Chester

m. Robert De QUINCY, Lord Of Ware father: Saire De QUINCEY, Earl Of Winchester, MC Suret mother: Margaret BEAUMONT

14 Anne De QUINCY

15 Joan De QUINCY m. Humphrey VI De BOHUN; Humphrey VI De BOHUN father: Humphrey V De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex mother: Maud D'EU

16+ Hawise De QUINCY m. Sir Baldwin WAKE, Baron Of Bourne

3. Margaret Of Wales m1. John De BRAOSE, Baron Of Bramber m2. Walter De CLIFFORD, Baron Of Clifford

m. John De BRAOSE, Baron Of Bramber father: William De BRAOSE, Lord Of Gower mother: Matilda DE CLARE

17+ William De BREUSE, Lord Breuse m1. Aline De MULTON m2. Agnes De MOELES m3. Mary De ROS

18+ Sir Richard De BREUSE, Lord Of Stinton m. Alice Le RUS

19 Llywelyn De BRAOSE

20 John De BRAOSE m. Margery

m. Walter De CLIFFORD, Baron Of Clifford father: Walter CLIFFORD, Baron Of Clifford mother: Agnes De CONDET

21+ Maud De CLIFFORD m1. Sir William III De LONGESPEE m2. Sir John GIFFORD, Lord Gifford Of Brimsfield

4. Angharad m. Maelgwn Ieuanc FYCHAN, Lord Of Cardigan Is Ayron

m. Maelgwn Ieuanc FYCHAN, Lord Of Cardigan Is Ayron father: Maelgwn Hen Ap Rhys

22+ Elena FERCH MAELGWN FYCHAN m. Maredudd AP OWAIN, Lord Of Cardigan Uch Ayron

23 Gwenilian m. Maredudd Lord Of Merionydd

24 Margred m. Owain Ap MAREDUDD

25 Elinor m. Owain Ap MADOG AP MAREDUDD

26 Llywelyn

27 Rhys

6. Dafydd Ap Llwelyn Fawy, Prince Of Wales m1. Isabella De BRAOSE m2.

m. Isabella De BRAOSE father: William De BRAIOSE, Baron Of Brecknock Castle mother: Eve MARSHALL

28+ Annes Ferch Dafydd m. Elise Ap Iorwerth Ab Owain Brogyntyn

29+ Llywelyn Ap Dafydd m.

7. (Unk Dau) m. Malcolm MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife

m. Malcolm MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife father: Duncan MACDUFF mother: Alice CORBET

30+ Colban MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife m. Anna DURWARD

31 Macduff

32+ (Unk) Of Fife m. Sir William De MORAVIA

8. Gladys DHU m1. Reginald De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber m2. Ralph MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore

m. Reginald De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber father: William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber mother: Matilda De ST VALERIE De HAIA

m. Ralph MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore father: Roger De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore mother: Isabel De FERRIERS

33+ Sir Roger MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore m. Maud De BRAOISE

34 Peter De MORTIMER

35 John De MORTIMER

36+ Hugh De MORTIMER, Lord of Chelmarsh m. Agatha De FERRERS

37+ Joan De MORTIMER m. Piers CORBET, Lord Corbet

9. Gruffydd Ap Llywelyn m1. m2. Senena m3. Rhanullt

38 Rhodri

m. Senena father: Cadadog

39+ Llywelyn Ap Gruffyd, Prince Of Gwynedd m. Eleanor De MONTFORT

40+ Dafydd Ap Gruffyd, Prince Of Gwynedd m1. Tangwystl Ferch Owain Fflam m2. Elizabeth De FERRERS

41 Owain Goch

m. Rhanullt father: Rheinallt King Of Isle Of Man mother: (Unk)

42 Catrin m1. Iorwerth FYCHAN m2. Maredudd Ap MADOG AP GRUFFUDD

43 Gwladus m. Rhys Ieuanc Ap RHYS MECHYLL

12. Tegwared Y BAISWEN m. Gwenllian Ferch EDNYFED VYCHAN

m. Gwenllian Ferch EDNYFED VYCHAN

44 Tegwared FYCHAN

45 Hwyel

46 Angharad m. Gruffudd Ap HYWEL

47 Arddun m. Gwilym Goch AP IORWERTH AP MAELOG

3rd generation

16. Hawise De QUINCY m. Sir Baldwin WAKE, Baron Of Bourne

m. Sir Baldwin WAKE, Baron Of Bourne father: Hugh WAKE, Baron Of Bourne mother: Joan De STUTEVILLE

48 (Unk) WAKE m. Sir Thomas De GRELLE, Lord Grelle

49+ Sir Hugh WAKE m. Joan De BOLANY

50+ Sir John WAKE, Lord Wake m. Joan FIENNES

17. William De BREUSE, Lord Breuse m1. Aline De MULTON m2. Agnes De MOELES m3. Mary De ROS

m. Aline De MULTON father: Thomas De MULTON mother: Maud De VAUX

51+ William De BREWES, Lord Of Gower m1. Agnes m2. Elizabeth De SULLY

m. Agnes De MOELES father: Nicholas De MOELS mother: Hawise De NEWMARCH

52+ Giles De BREUSE m1. Beatrice De St HELEN m2. Maud De WHITNEY

m. Mary De ROS father: Sir Robert De ROS, Baron Of Helmsley mother: Isabel D'ALBINI

53+ Margaret BREWES m. Ralph De CAMOYS, Baron Of Flockthorpe In Hardi

54 Richard De BREUSE

55+ Sir Piers De BREUSE m. Agnes De CLIFFORD

56 William De BREUSE m. Eleanor De BAVENT

18. Sir Richard De BREUSE, Lord Of Stinton m. Alice Le RUS

m. Alice Le RUS father: William Le RUS mother: Agatha De CLERE

57+ Margaret De BREUSE m. Roger De COLEVILLE

58+ Sir Giles De BREUSE m1. Katherine De HUNTINGFIELD m2. Joan BEAUMONT

59+ Mary De BREUSE m. Sir John WEYLAND

60+ Richard De BREUSE m. Alianore De FURNIVALLE

61+ Sibyl De BREUSE m. Constantine De MORTIMER

21. Maud De CLIFFORD m1. Sir William III De LONGESPEE m2. Sir John GIFFORD, Lord Gifford Of Brimsfield

m. Sir William III De LONGESPEE father: Sir William De LONGESPEE mother: Idoine De Camville

62+ Margaret LONGESPEE, Countess of Salisbury m. Henry De LACY, Earl Of Lincoln

m. Sir John GIFFORD, Lord Gifford Of Brimsfield father: Sir Elis IV GIFFORD, Baron Of Elston mother: Alice MAUTRAVERS

63+ Catherine GIFFARD m. Sir Nicholas De AUDLEY

64+ Eleanor GIFFORD m. Fulk Le STRANGE, Lord Strange

65 Maud GIFFORD m. William De JOINVILLE, Seigneur De Beauregard

66 Elizabeth GIFFORD

22. Elena FERCH MAELGWN FYCHAN m. Maredudd AP OWAIN, Lord Of Cardigan Uch Ayron

m. Maredudd AP OWAIN, Lord Of Cardigan Uch Ayron father: Owain Ap Gruffydd

67+ Owain Ap Maredudd, Prince Of Deheubarth m. Angharad

28. Annes Ferch Dafydd m. Elise Ap Iorwerth Ab Owain Brogyntyn

m. Elise Ap Iorwerth Ab Owain Brogyntyn

68+ Madog Ab Elise m.

69+ Dafydd Ab Elise m. Myfanwy Ferch Hwfa Ab Iorwerth

29. Llywelyn Ap Dafydd m.

70+ Cynwrig Ap Llywelyn m. Angharad Ferch Thomas Ap Gwion

30. Colban MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife m. Anna DURWARD

m. Anna DURWARD father: Sir Alan DURWARD mother: Marjorie

71+ Marjory m. Alan De MENTEITH, Earl Of Menteith

72+ Duncan MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife m. Joan De CLARE

32. (Unk) Of Fife m. Sir William De MORAVIA

m. Sir William De MORAVIA father: Sir Walter De MORAVIA

73+ Sir Walter De MORAVIA m. (Unk) OLIFARD

33. Sir Roger MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore m. Maud De BRAOISE

m. Maud De BRAOISE father: William De BRAIOSE, Baron Of Brecknock Castle mother: Eve MARSHALL

74 Ralph MORTIMER

75+ Sir Edmund De MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer m1. m2. Margaret FIENNES

76+ Sir Roger MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer m. Lucy La WAFRE

77 Sir William MORTIMER m. Hawise MUSCEGROS; Hawise MUSCEGROS father: Sir Robert De MUSCEGROS

78+ Isabel MORTIMER m1. Sir John FITZALAN, Earl Of Arundel m2. Ralph De ARDERNE m3. Sir Robert HASTANG

79+ Margaret De MORTIMER m. Robert De VERE, Earl Of Oxford

80 Sir Geoffrey MORTIMER

81 Llywelyn MORTIMER

82 Hugh MORTIMER

36. Hugh De MORTIMER, Lord of Chelmarsh m. Agatha De FERRERS

m. Agatha De FERRERS father: William De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby mother: Sibyl MARSHALL

83+ Henry De MORTIMER m.

37. Joan De MORTIMER m. Piers CORBET, Lord Corbet

m. Piers CORBET, Lord Corbet father: Thomas CORBET, Baron Of Cause mother: Isabel De VAUTORT

84 Thomas CORBET m. Joan De PLUGENET, Baroness Plugenet; Joan De PLUGENET, Baroness Plugenet father: Sir Alan De PLUGENET, Lord Plugenet mother: Joan WAKE

85 Piers CORBET, Lord Corbet m. Beatrice BEAUCHAMP; Beatrice BEAUCHAMP father: Sir John BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Hatch Beauchamp mother: Cicely VIVONNE

39. Llywelyn Ap Gruffyd, Prince Of Gwynedd m. Eleanor De MONTFORT

m. Eleanor De MONTFORT father: Simon De MONTFORT, Earl Of Leicester mother: Eleanor

86 Gwenllian

40. Dafydd Ap Gruffyd, Prince Of Gwynedd m1. Tangwystl Ferch Owain Fflam m2. Elizabeth De FERRERS

m. Tangwystl Ferch Owain Fflam father: Owain Fflam

87+ Dafydd Goch Ap Dafydd m. Angharad

m. Elizabeth De FERRERS father: Robert De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby mother: Mary De Lusignan

88 Llywelyn Ap Dafydd

89 Owain Ap Dafydd

90 Gwladus Ap Dafydd

4th generation

49. Sir Hugh WAKE m. Joan De BOLANY

m. Joan De BOLANY father: Baldwin De BOLANY

91 Sir Hugh WAKE m. Isabel STOTEVILE

92+ Mirabel WAKE m1. Hugh De St JOHN, Lord St John m2. Thomas De ASPALE

50. Sir John WAKE, Lord Wake m. Joan FIENNES

m. Joan FIENNES father: Sir William FIENNES mother: Blanche De BRIENNE, Lady Of Loupeland

93 Sir Thomas WAKE, Lord Wake m. Blanche PLANTAGENET

94 Sir John WAKE

95+ Margaret WAKE, Baroness Wake m1. Sir John COMYN m2. Edmund Of Woodstock PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Kent

51. William De BREWES, Lord Of Gower m1. Agnes m2. Elizabeth De SULLY

m. Agnes

96 William De BREWES

97+ Joan BREWES m1. James De BOHUN m2. Sir Richard FOLIOT, Lord Foliot

98+ Aliva De BRAOS m1. Sir John De MOWBRAY, Lord Mowbray m2. Sir Richard De PESHALE

m. Elizabeth De SULLY father: Sir Raymond De SULLY

52. Giles De BREUSE m1. Beatrice De St HELEN m2. Maud De WHITNEY

m. Beatrice De St HELEN father: Sir John De St HELEN mother: Juliane De FARNHAM

99+ Lucy De BREUSE m1. Robert MALTRAVERS m2. John De PAULESHOLT

m. Maud De WHITNEY father: Eustace De WHITNEY

100+ Maud De BREUSE m. William De BYKEBURY

101+ Sir John De BREUSE m. Sarah

53. Margaret BREWES m. Ralph De CAMOYS, Baron Of Flockthorpe In Hardi

m. Ralph De CAMOYS, Baron Of Flockthorpe In Hardi father: John De CAMOYS, Baron Of Flockthorpe In Hardi mother: Margaret GATESDEN

102+ Sir Thomas De COMOYS, Lord Comoys m. Margaret

55. Sir Piers De BREUSE m. Agnes De CLIFFORD

m. Agnes De CLIFFORD

103+ Sir Thomas De BREWOSE, Lord Brewose m. Beatrice MORTIMER

104+ Sir John De BREUSE m. Margaret De TREHAMPTON

105+ Sir Piers De BREUSE m1. Joan De PERCY m2. Joan HOWARD

106+ Margaret De BRAOSE m1. Henry TYEYS, Lord Tyeys m2. Thomas De MONTHERMER, Lord Monthermer

107+ Mary De BREUSE m1. Sir Ralph De COBHAM, Lord Cobham m2. Thomas Of Brotherton PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Norfolk

57. Margaret De BREUSE m. Roger De COLEVILLE

m. Roger De COLEVILLE father: Walter De COLEVILLE mother: Elizabeth

108+ Edmund De COLEVILLE m. Margaret De UFFORD

109+ Elizabeth COLVILL m. Ralph BASSET

110+ Alice COLVILLE m1. Guy GOBAUD m2. Sir John GERNON

58. Sir Giles De BREUSE m1. Katherine De HUNTINGFIELD m2. Joan BEAUMONT

m. Katherine De HUNTINGFIELD father: Sir Laurence De HUNTINGFIELD

m. Joan BEAUMONT father: Sir Richard De BEAUMONT mother: Alice

111 Richard De BREUSE

112 Robert De BREUSE m. Catharine La WARRE; Catharine La WARRE father: John La WARRE, Lord La Warre mother: Joan De GRELLE

113+ Sir John De BREUSE m. Eve UFFORD

114 Alexander De BREUSE

59. Mary De BREUSE m. Sir John WEYLAND

m. Sir John WEYLAND father: Thomas De WEYLAND mother: Ann De COLEVILL

115+ Sir Richard De WEYLAND m. Joan De UFFORD

60. Richard De BREUSE m. Alianore De FURNIVALLE

m. Alianore De FURNIVALLE father: Sir Thomas De FURNIVAL

116+ Sir Richard De BREUSE m. Eleanor De SHELTON

61. Sibyl De BREUSE m. Constantine De MORTIMER

m. Constantine De MORTIMER father: William De MORTIMER mother: Alice

117+ Sir Constantine De MORTIMER m. Agnes

118 Thomas De MORTIMER

119 Robert De MORTIMER

62. Margaret LONGESPEE, Countess of Salisbury m. Henry De LACY, Earl Of Lincoln

m. Henry De LACY, Earl Of Lincoln father: Edmund De LACY, Earl Of Lincoln, Constable Of C mother: Alice De SALUZZO

120 John De LACY

121 Margaret De LACY

122 Edmund De LACY m. Maud CHAWORTH; Maud CHAWORTH father: Sir Patric CHAWORTH, Baron Of Kempsford mother: Isabel De BEAUCHAMP

123 Alice De LACY, Countess Of Lincoln m1. Thomas PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Lancaster m2. Sir Ebles Le STRANGE, Lord Strange m3. Sir Hugh De FRENE, Lord Frene; Thomas PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Lancaster father: Edmund Crouchback PLANTAGENET, King Of Sicily mother: Blanche Of Artois

63. Catherine GIFFARD m. Sir Nicholas De AUDLEY

m. Sir Nicholas De AUDLEY father: James De AUDLEY mother: Ela LONGESPEE

124 Ela De AUDLEY m1. Griffin Ap OWEN De La POLE m2. Sir James De PERRERS m3. Piers CORBET

125 Thomas De AUDLEY m. Eve CLAVERING; Eve CLAVERING father: John CLAVERING, Lord Clavering mother: Hawise De TIBETOT

126+ Sir Nicholas De AUDLEY, Lord Audley Of Heleigh m. Joan De MARTIN

64. Eleanor GIFFORD m. Fulk Le STRANGE, Lord Strange

m. Fulk Le STRANGE, Lord Strange father: Robert Le STRANGE mother: Eleanor De BLANCMINSTER

127+ Elizabeth Le STRANGE m. Robert CORBET

128+ Maud Le STRANGE m. Bryan De CORNWALL

129+ Fulk Le STRANGE m.

130+ John Le STRANGE, Lord Strange m. Ankaret BUTLER

67. Owain Ap Maredudd, Prince Of Deheubarth m. Angharad

m. Angharad father: Owen Ap Meredith, Lord of Cedewen mother: Margaret Ferch Maelgon

131+ Llywelyn AP OWAIN, Lord Of Gwynnionith And Caerwe m1. Gwanas m2. (Unk Dau) De VALE

68. Madog Ab Elise m.

132+ Efa Ferch Madog m. Gruffyd Ap Llywelyn Ap Cynwrig

133+ Margred Ferch Madog m. Ithel Ap Gwrgeneu Fychan

134+ Lleuca Ferch Madog m. Gronwy Llwyd Ab Y Penwyn

69. Dafydd Ab Elise m. Myfanwy Ferch Hwfa Ab Iorwerth

m. Myfanwy Ferch Hwfa Ab Iorwerth

135+ Gruffudd Ap Dafydd m.

70. Cynwrig Ap Llywelyn m. Angharad Ferch Thomas Ap Gwion

m. Angharad Ferch Thomas Ap Gwion

136+ Dafydd Llwyd Ap Cynwrig m. Annes Ferch Gwyn Ap Madog

71. Marjory m. Alan De MENTEITH, Earl Of Menteith

m. Alan De MENTEITH, Earl Of Menteith father: Alexander De MENTEITH, Earl Of Menteith mother: Matilda

137+ Alan De MENTEITH m.

138+ Mary Countess Of Menteith m. Sir John GRAHAM, Earl Of Menteith

72. Duncan MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife m. Joan De CLARE

m. Joan De CLARE father: Sir Gilbert DeCLARE, Earl Of Gloucester And Hertford mother: Alice De LUSIGNAN

139 Isabel Of Fife m. John COMYN, Earl Of Buchan; John COMYN, Earl Of Buchan father: Alexander COMYN, Earl Of Buchan mother: Elizabeth De QUINCY

140+ Duncan MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife m. Mary De MONTHERMER

73. Sir Walter De MORAVIA m. (Unk) OLIFARD

m. (Unk) OLIFARD father: David OLIFARD, Lord Of Bothwell mother: Devergulla De ABERNETHY

141+ Sir Andrew De MORAVIA m1. (Unk Dau) COMYN m2. Euphemia

142 Sir William De MORAVIA, Lord Of Bothwell

75. Sir Edmund De MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer m1. m2. Margaret FIENNES

143+ Isolda MORTIMER m1. Walter De BALLON, Baron Of Much Marcle m2. Sir Hugh De AUDLEY, Lord Audley

m. Margaret FIENNES father: Sir William FIENNES mother: Blanche De BRIENNE, Lady Of Loupeland

144+ Maud De MORTIMER m. Sir Theobald De VERDUN, Lord Verdun

145 Eleanor De MORTIMER m. Sir William De KYME, Lord Kyme; Sir William De KYME, Lord Kyme father: Philip De KYME, Lord Kyme mother: Joan Le BIGOD

146 Joan De MORTIMER

147 Elizabeth De MORTIMER

148 John MORTIMER

149 Hugh MORTIMER

150 Walter MORTIMER

151 Edmund MORTIMER

152+ Sir Roger MORTIMER, Earl Of March m1. Joan De GENEVILLE, Countess Of March m2.

76. Sir Roger MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer m. Lucy La WAFRE

m. Lucy La WAFRE father: Robert La WAFRE

153+ Roger MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer m. Juliane

78. Isabel MORTIMER m1. Sir John FITZALAN, Earl Of Arundel m2. Ralph De ARDERNE m3. Sir Robert HASTANG

m. Sir John FITZALAN, Earl Of Arundel father: Sir John FITZALAN, Earl Of Arundel mother: Maud De VERDUN

154+ Sir Richard FITZ ALAN, Earl Of Arundel m. Alasia Of Saluzzo

155 John FITZ ALAN

156+ Maud FITZ ALAN m1. Sir Philip BURNELL m2. Sir Robert De BRUS, Earl Of Carrick, Lord Of Annand m3. Simon De CRIKETOT

m. Ralph De ARDERNE father: Sir Ralph De ARDERNE mother: Erneburg De ASSARTIS

m. Sir Robert HASTANG father: Sir Robert HASTANG mother: Joan De CURLI

79. Margaret De MORTIMER m. Robert De VERE, Earl Of Oxford

m. Robert De VERE, Earl Of Oxford father: Sir Robert De VERE, Earl Of Oxford mother: Alice De SANFORD

157+ Eleanor De VERE m. Hugh De NAUNTON

158 Sir Thomas De VERE m1. Pernel MARSHALL m2. Agnes De ROS; Agnes De ROS father: William De ROS, Lord Ros Of Helmsley mother: Maud De VAUX

83. Henry De MORTIMER m.

159+ Hugh De MORTIMER m.

87. Dafydd Goch Ap Dafydd m. Angharad

m. Angharad

160+ Gruffudd Ap Dafydd Goch m. Margred Ferch Tudur

5th generation

92. Mirabel WAKE m1. Hugh De St JOHN, Lord St John m2. Thomas De ASPALE

m. Hugh De St JOHN, Lord St John father: Sir John De St JOHN, Lord St John mother: Isabel COURTENAY

161+ Margaret De St JOHN m. John De St PHILIBERT, Lord St Philibert

162 Edmund De St JOHN, Lord St John m. Elizabeth Le STRANGE; Elizabeth Le STRANGE father: John Le STRANGE, Lord Strange mother: Ankaret BUTLER

163+ Isabel De St JOHN, Baroness St John m1. Henry De BURGHERSH m2. Sir Luke De POYNINGS, Lord Poynings m3. Sir Thomas WORTING

m. Thomas De ASPALE father: Sir Robert De ASPALE mother: Alice De CRESSINGHAM

164+ Sir John De ASPALE m. Katherine De PECCHE, Baroness Pecche

95. Margaret WAKE, Baroness Wake m1. Sir John COMYN m2. Edmund Of Woodstock PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Kent

m. Sir John COMYN father: John The Red COMYN, Lord Of Badenock mother: Joan De VALENCE

165 Aymer COMYN

m. Edmund Of Woodstock PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Kent father: Edward I King Of England mother: Marguerite Of France

166 Margaret Of Kent m. Amanjeu Sire Of Albret, Vicount Of Tartas; Amanjeu Sire Of Albret, Vicount Of Tartas father: Bernard Ezy V Sire Of Albret mother: Mathe Of Armagnac

167 Edmund PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Kent

168+ Joan PLANTAGENET, Fair Maid Of Kent, Countess m1. Sir Thomas De HOLAND, K.G., Earl Of Kent m2. William De MONTAGU, K.G., Earl Of Salisbury m3. Edward The Black K.G., Prince of Aquitaine and Wales

169 John PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Kent m. Elizbeth Of Julich; Elizbeth Of Julich father: William Duke Of Julich mother: Joan Of Holland

97. Joan BREWES m1. James De BOHUN m2. Sir Richard FOLIOT, Lord Foliot

m. James De BOHUN father: Sir John De BOHUN mother: Joan De La CHAPPELLE

170+ Sir John De BOHUN, Lord Bohun m1. Isabel TREGOZ m2. Cicely FILLIOL

m. Sir Richard FOLIOT, Lord Foliot father: Sir Jordan FOLIOT, Lord Foliot mother: Margery De NEWMARCHE

171 Richard FOLIOT, Lord Foliot m. Elizabeth De SEGRAVE; Elizabeth De SEGRAVE father: John De SEGRAVE mother: Juliana De SANDWICH

172+ Margery FOLIOT m. Sir Hugh De HASTINGS

173+ Margaret FOLIOT m. Sir John De COMOYS

98. Aliva De BRAOS m1. Sir John De MOWBRAY, Lord Mowbray m2. Sir Richard De PESHALE

m. Sir John De MOWBRAY, Lord Mowbray father: Roger De MOWBRAY, Lord Mowbray mother: Rohese CLARE

174+ Christiana MOWBRAY m1. John SCOT m2. Richard De EMILDON m3. Sir William De PLUMPTON

175+ John De MOWBRAY, Lord Mowbray m1. Maud De HOLAND m2. Joan PLANTAGENET m3. Elizabeth De VERE

m. Sir Richard De PESHALE father: Adam De PESHALE mother: Alice De SWINNERTON

176 Maud De PESHALE

99. Lucy De BREUSE m1. Robert MALTRAVERS m2. John De PAULESHOLT

m. Robert MALTRAVERS father: John MALTRAVERS

177+ John MAUTRAVERS m. Elizabeth CIFREWAST

m. John De PAULESHOLT

100. Maud De BREUSE m. William De BYKEBURY

m. William De BYKEBURY

178 William De BYKEBURY

101. Sir John De BREUSE m. Sarah

m. Sarah

179+ Elizabeth De BREUSE m. William FROME

102. Sir Thomas De COMOYS, Lord Comoys m. Margaret

m. Margaret

180 Ralph De COMOYS m. Elizabeth CROZIER; Elizabeth CROZIER father: Sir William CROZIER mother: Elizabeth D'ABERNON

103. Sir Thomas De BREWOSE, Lord Brewose m. Beatrice MORTIMER

m. Beatrice MORTIMER father: Sir Roger MORTIMER, Earl Of March mother: Joan De GENEVILLE, Countess Of March

181 Sir John De BREWOSE, Lord Brewose m. Elizabeth MONTAGU

182+ Sir Thomas De BREWOSE, Lord Brewose m. Margaret De CHEYNE

183 Peter De BREWOSE

184+ Beatrice De BREWOSE m. William De SAY, Lord Say

185 Elizabeth De BREWOSE

186 Joan De BREWOSE

104. Sir John De BREUSE m. Margaret De TREHAMPTON

m. Margaret De TREHAMPTON father: Sir Ranulphus De TREHAMPTON mother: Joan De DIVE

187 John De BREUSE m. Unknown De CORNWALL

188 George De BREUSE m. Elizabeth ; Elizabeth

189+ Agnes De BREUSE m. Urian St PETER

105. Sir Piers De BREUSE m1. Joan De PERCY m2. Joan HOWARD

m. Joan De PERCY father: Nicholas De PERCY mother: Joan FOLIOT

m. Joan HOWARD father: Sir John HOWARD mother: Alice De BOYS

190 Sir John De BREWES m1. Margaret De NERFORD m2. Margaret De PONYNGES; Margaret De PONYNGES father: Thomas POYNINGS, Lord St John, Lord Poynings mother: Joan Le STRANGE

191+ Beatrix De BREUSE m. Sir Hugh SHIRLEY

106. Margaret De BRAOSE m1. Henry TYEYS, Lord Tyeys m2. Thomas De MONTHERMER, Lord Monthermer

m. Henry TYEYS, Lord Tyeys father: Sir Henry TYEYS, Lord Tyeys mother: Hawise De MONTAGU

m. Thomas De MONTHERMER, Lord Monthermer father: Ralph De MONTHERMER, Lord Monthermer mother: Joan PLANTAGENET

192+ Margaret De MONTHERMER, Baroness Monthermer m. John De MONTAGU, Lord Montagu

107. Mary De BREUSE m1. Sir Ralph De COBHAM, Lord Cobham m2. Thomas Of Brotherton PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Norfolk

m. Sir Ralph De COBHAM, Lord Cobham father: John De COBHAM

193 Sir John De COBHAM, Lord Cobham

m. Thomas Of Brotherton PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Norfolk father: Edward I King Of England mother: Marguerite Of France

108. Edmund De COLEVILLE m. Margaret De UFFORD

m. Margaret De UFFORD father: Robert De UFFORD, Justiciar Of Ireland mother: Mary

194+ Robert De COLEVILLE, Lord Coleville m. Cicely

109. Elizabeth COLVILL m. Ralph BASSET

m. Ralph BASSET father: Simon BASSET

195 Ralph BASSET

196+ Simon BASSET m. Isabel BOTELER

110. Alice COLVILLE m1. Guy GOBAUD m2. Sir John GERNON

m. Guy GOBAUD

197+ Mabel GOBAUD m. William LAMPET

m. Sir John GERNON father: Sir William GERNON mother: Isabel De HERDEBURGH

198+ Margaret GERNON m. Sir Geoffrey De GRESLEY

199+ Sir John GERNON m1. Alice m2. Joan

113. Sir John De BREUSE m. Eve UFFORD

m. Eve UFFORD father: Sir Robert De UFFORD, Lord Ufford mother: Cecily De VALOINES

200+ Margaret BREWES m. Sir William WYCHINGHAM

201+ Cecily BREWES m. William De KERDESTON

202+ Sir John De BREUSE m1. Joan SHARDELOWE m2. Agnes

115. Sir Richard De WEYLAND m. Joan De UFFORD

m. Joan De UFFORD father: Sir Robert De UFFORD, Lord Ufford mother: Cecily De VALOINES

203+ Cicely De WEYLAND m. Sir Bartholomew De BURGHERSH, Orig K.G., Lord Burghersh

116. Sir Richard De BREUSE m. Eleanor De SHELTON

m. Eleanor De SHELTON father: Sir John De SHELTON

204+ Eleanor BRAOSE m. Sir John WINGFIELD

117. Sir Constantine De MORTIMER m. Agnes

m. Agnes

205+ Sir Robert De MORTIMER m1. Catherine De BROCKDISH m2. Margery FASTOLF m3. Margery

126. Sir Nicholas De AUDLEY, Lord Audley Of Heleigh m. Joan De MARTIN

m. Joan De MARTIN father: William MARTIN, Lord Martin mother: Eleanor FITZ PIERS

206+ Alice AUDLEY m1. Ralph BASSET m2. Hugh De MEINILL

207+ Sir James De AUDLEY, Lord Audley m1. Joan De MORTIMER m2. Isabel Le STRANGE

127. Elizabeth Le STRANGE m. Robert CORBET

m. Robert CORBET father: Thomas CORBET

208+ Thomas CORBET m.

209+ Sir Fulk CORBET m.

210+ Sir Roger CORBET m. Margaret De ERDINGTON

211+ Joan CORBET m1. Robert De HARLEY m2. John DARRAS

212+ Margaret CORBET m. Sir Thomas De ERDINGTON, Lord Erdington

128. Maud Le STRANGE m. Bryan De CORNWALL

m. Bryan De CORNWALL father: Sir Edmund De CORNWALL mother: Elizabeth BRAMPTON

213+ Isabella De CORNWALL m. John BLOUNT

214+ Sir John De CORNWALL m1. Joan WASTENEYS m2. Maud

129. Fulk Le STRANGE m.

215 Eleanor Le STRANGE m. Edward De ACTON

216 Joan Le STRANGE m. John CARELESS

130. John Le STRANGE, Lord Strange m. Ankaret BUTLER

m. Ankaret BUTLER father: William Le BOTILLER, Lord Botiller mother: Ela HERDEBURGH

217 Fulk Le STRANGE, Lord Strange m. Elizabeth De STAFFORD; Elizabeth De STAFFORD father: Sir Ralph De STAFFORD, K.G., Earl Of Stafford mother: Margaret De AUDLEY, Baroness Audley

218+ Sir John Le STRANGE, Lord Strange m. Mary FITZ ALAN

219 Hamon Le STRANGE

220+ Alinore LESTRANGE m. Sir Reynold De GREY, Lord Grey Of Ruthin

221+ Elizabeth Le STRANGE m1. Edmund De St JOHN, Lord St John m2. Gerard De LISLE, Lord Lisle m3. Sir Richard PEMBRUGGE, K.G.

222 Alice Le STRANGE m. Sir Edmund De HAUDLO

131. Llywelyn AP OWAIN, Lord Of Gwynnionith And Caerwe m1. Gwanas m2. (Unk Dau) De VALE

m. Gwanas father: Thomas Ap Robinod

m. (Unk Dau) De VALE father: Sir Robert De VALE, Lord Of Trefgarn

223+ Thomas AP LLEWELLYN, Lord Of Iscoed Uchirwern m. Eleanor GOCH

132. Efa Ferch Madog m. Gruffyd Ap Llywelyn Ap Cynwrig

m. Gruffyd Ap Llywelyn Ap Cynwrig father: Llwewllyn AP CYNRIG

224+ Einion Ap Gruffyd m. Tangwystl Ferch Rhydderch Ap Ieuan Llwyd

133. Margred Ferch Madog m. Ithel Ap Gwrgeneu Fychan

m. Ithel Ap Gwrgeneu Fychan

225+ Einion Ab Ithel m. Mallt Ferch Maredudd Ddu

134. Lleuca Ferch Madog m. Gronwy Llwyd Ab Y Penwyn

m. Gronwy Llwyd Ab Y Penwyn

226+ Margred Ferch Gronwy Llwyd m. Hywel Y Gadair Ap Gruffudd Ap Madog

135. Gruffudd Ap Dafydd m.

227+ Myfanwy Ferch Gruffudd m. Robin Ap Robert

136. Dafydd Llwyd Ap Cynwrig m. Annes Ferch Gwyn Ap Madog

m. Annes Ferch Gwyn Ap Madog

228+ Mawd Ferch Dafydd Llwyd m. Dafydd Goch Ap Trahaern Goch Ap Madog

137. Alan De MENTEITH m.

229 Mary De MENTEITH m. John GRAHAM

138. Mary Countess Of Menteith m. Sir John GRAHAM, Earl Of Menteith

m. Sir John GRAHAM, Earl Of Menteith father: Sir Patrick GRAHAM mother: Annabelle Of Strathearn

230+ Margaret GRAHAM, Countess Of Menteith m1. Sir John MORAY m2. Sir Thomas Earl Of Mar m3. Sir John DRUMMOND m4. Robert STEWART, Earl Of Fife, Duke Of Albany

140. Duncan MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife m. Mary De MONTHERMER

m. Mary De MONTHERMER father: Ralph De MONTHERMER, Lord Monthermer mother: Joan PLANTAGENET

231+ Elizabeth Countess Of Fife m1. Sir William De FELTON m2. Walter STEWART m3. Sir Thomas BYSET m4. John DUNBAR

141. Sir Andrew De MORAVIA m1. (Unk Dau) COMYN m2. Euphemia

m. (Unk Dau) COMYN father: Sir John The Red COMYN mother: Eve

232+ Sir Andrew De MORAVIA m.

m. Euphemia father: Roger FITZ JOHN, Baron Of Whalton mother: Isabel

143. Isolda MORTIMER m1. Walter De BALLON, Baron Of Much Marcle m2. Sir Hugh De AUDLEY, Lord Audley

m. Walter De BALLON, Baron Of Much Marcle father: John De BALLON, Baron Of Much Marcle mother: Maud

m. Sir Hugh De AUDLEY, Lord Audley father: James De AUDLEY mother: Ela LONGESPEE

233+ Alice AUDLEY m1. Ralph De GREYSTOKE, Lord Greystoke m2. Ralph De NEVILLE, Lord Neville Of Raby

234+ Sir James AUDLEY m. Eve CLAVERING

235+ Sir Hugh AUDLEY, Earl Of Gloucester m. Margaret De CLARE

144. Maud De MORTIMER m. Sir Theobald De VERDUN, Lord Verdun

m. Sir Theobald De VERDUN, Lord Verdun father: Sir Theobald De VERDUN, Lord Verdun mother: Margery De BOHUN

236+ Joan VERDON m1. John De MONTAGU m2. Thomas De FURNIVAL, Lord Furnival

237+ Elizabeth De VERDUN m. Sir Bartholomew De BURGHERSH, Lord Burghersh

238+ Margery De VERDON m1. Sir William BLOUNT, Lord Blount m2. Sir Mark HUSEE m3. Sir John CROPHULL

239 Katherine De VERDUN

152. Sir Roger MORTIMER, Earl Of March m1. Joan De GENEVILLE, Countess Of March m2.

m. Joan De GENEVILLE, Countess Of March father: Sir Piers De GENEVILLE, Baron Of Trim mother: Joan De LUSIGNAN

240+ Edmund MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer m. Elizabeth De BADLESMERE

241 Sir Geoffreu MORTIMER

242 Sir Roger MORTIMER m. Joan Le BOTELER

243 John MORTIMER

244+ Margaret MORTIMER m. Thomas De BERKELEY, Lord Berkeley

245+ Katherine MORTIMER m. Thomas BEAUCHAMP, Orig K.G., Earl Of Warwick

246+ Joan De MORTIMER m. Sir James De AUDLEY, Lord Audley

247+ Beatrice MORTIMER m1. Edward PLANTAGENET m2. Sir Thomas De BREWOSE, Lord Brewose

248+ Agnes MORTIMER m1. Laurence De HASTINGS, Earl Of Pembroke m2. John De HAKELUT

249+ Maud De MORTIMER m. John CHERLETON, Lord Cherleton

250 Blanche MORTIMER m. Sir Piers De GRANDISON, Lord Grandison

251 Isabel MORTIMER

252 Eleanor MORTIMER m. Hugyn Ap LLYWELYN AP HUGYN

153. Roger MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer m. Juliane

m. Juliane

253 John MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer

154. Sir Richard FITZ ALAN, Earl Of Arundel m. Alasia Of Saluzzo

m. Alasia Of Saluzzo father: Thomas I Margrave Of Saluzzo mother: Luisa Of Ceva

254+ Sir Edmund FITZ ALAN, Earl Of Arundel m. Alice De WARENNE

255 Sir Richard FITZ ALAN

256+ Eleanor FITZ ALAN m. Sir Henry PERCY, Lord Percy

257+ Margaret FITZALAN m. William Le BOTILLER, Lord Botiller, Lord Of Wem

258+ Alice FITZ ALAN m. Sir Stephen De SEGRAVE, Lord Segrave

259 John FITZ ALAN

156. Maud FITZ ALAN m1. Sir Philip BURNELL m2. Sir Robert De BRUS, Earl Of Carrick, Lord Of Annand m3. Simon De CRIKETOT

m. Sir Philip BURNELL father: Sir Hugh BURNELL mother: Sibyl

260 Edward BURNELL, Lord Burnell m. Aline Le DESPENSER

261+ Maud BURNELL m1. John LOVEL, Lord Lovel m2. Sir John De HAUDLO

m. Sir Robert De BRUS, Earl Of Carrick, Lord Of Annand father: Sir Robert De BRUS, Baron Of Writtle mother: Isabel De CLARE

m. Simon De CRIKETOT

157. Eleanor De VERE m. Hugh De NAUNTON

m. Hugh De NAUNTON

262+ Sir Bartholomew NAUNTON m. Joan De ARGENTINE

159. Hugh De MORTIMER m.

263+ Henry De MORTIMER m.

264 Hugh De MORTIMER

265 James De MORTIMER

266 Thomas De MORTIMER

267 Edmund De MORTIMER

268 Roger De MORTIMER

269 Margaret De MORTIMER

270 Joan De MORTIMER

271+ Alice De MORTIMER m. Robert De THROCKMORTON

160. Gruffudd Ap Dafydd Goch m. Margred Ferch Tudur

m. Margred Ferch Tudur

272+ Efa Ferch Gruffudd m. Ieuan Ap Griffith