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Family:
Marriage:
  • Elen on Before 5 Dec 1237 .m1
  • Elen Death: Before 24 Oct 1253
Children:
  1. Anne De QUINCY Death: After 1257
  2. Joan De QUINCY Birth: Abt 1245 Death: 25 Nov 1283
  3. Hawise De QUINCY Birth: Abt 1250 Death: Abt 27 Mar 1285

Bibliography
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Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
before 1200 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p225, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p302]
third son [Ref: Weis AR7 #236, Weis MC #114]
younger brother, second Robert [Ref: CP XII/2 p751(e)]
younger son [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p652 (with corr on proposon web site)]
younger son, born before 1200 [Ref: Reitwiesner Joan p84]
youngest son [Ref: CP III p170],
parents:
[Ref: CP XII/2 p751(e), Clutterbuck Hertford v3p287, ES III.4 #708, Keats-Rohan DD p652 (with corr on proposon web site), Reitwiesner Joan p84, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p225, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p438, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p302, Watney WALLOP #821],
father:
[Ref: CP III p170, Weis AR7 #236, Weis MC #114]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: CP III p170, ES III.4 #708, Reitwiesner Joan p84, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p225, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p302, Watney WALLOP #613, Watney WALLOP #821]
1257 [Ref: CP XII/2 p751(e), Keats-Rohan DD p652 (with corr on proposon web site), Redlich CharlemagneDesc p129, Watney WALLOP #230, Weis MC #107],
place:
[Ref: Weis MC #107]
tournament at Blie [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p225, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p302]
Sources with Information about marriage to Elen
date:
1222 [Ref: Watney WALLOP #613, Watney WALLOP #821]
after 1237 [Ref: Reitwiesner Joan p84]
after 7 Jun and before 22 Nov 1237 [Ref: MacEwen Elen]
before 5 Dec 1237 [Ref: CP III p170, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p225, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p302]
second marriage of Helen [Ref: CP XII/2 p751(e), Clutterbuck Hertford v3p287, Weis AR7 #236]
vor 5.XII 1237 [Ref: ES III.4 #708],
names:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p443],
child:
[Ref: CP VI p463(f), CP VI p463, CP XII/2 p300, Clutterbuck Hertford v3p287, Keats-Rohan DD p652 (with corr on proposon web site), Reitwiesner Joan p84, Richardson PA p120, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p225, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p415, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p287, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p302, Watney WALLOP #821, Weis AR7 #184A, Weis AR7 #236, Weis MC #114]
Research Notes:
Lord of Ware [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p75, Reitwiesner Joan p84]

Knt, of Wakes Colne, Essex, Ware, Hertfordshire, etc [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p287]
of Wakes Colne, Essex, Broom and Stokeley, Bedfordshire, Ware, Hertfordshire, Winterbourne Stoke, Wiltshire, and in right of his wife of Fotheringhay and Yarwell, Northamptonshire [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p225, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p302]
of Colne Quincy [Ref: Watney WALLOP #613, Watney WALLOP #821]
Knt, of Wakes Colne, Essex, Broom and Stokeley, Bedfordshire, Ware, Hertfordshire, Winterbourne Stoke, Wiltshire, etc [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p443]
Knt [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p438]

second son named Robert [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p443]
second son named Robert; first d.s.p. 1217 [Ref: Weis AR7 #236]

d.s.p.m [Ref: CP III p170, CP XII/2 p751(e)]



Pedigree of Robert De QUINCY, Lord Of Ware
                   /-----Saher De QUINCEY, Lord Of Buckby In Northampto
          /-----Robert De QUINCEY
         |        |                  /-----Ranulph Le Rich
         |        |         /-----Simon De St. LIZ, Earl Of Huntingdon
         |         \-----Maud De ST LIZ
         |                 |                                    /-----Ulsius
         |                 |                           /-----Beorn
         |                 |                  /-----Sigurd Digera Earl Of Northumbria
         |                 |         /-----Waltheof II Earl Of Huntingdon
         |                 |        |        |                  /-----Uchtred Earl Of Northumberland
         |                 |        |        |         /-----Ealdred Of Bernicia
         |                 |        |        |        |         \-----Ecfrida
         |                 |        |         \-----Aelflaed
         |                  \-----Maud Of Huntingdon
         |                          |                           /-----Baldwin Count Of Boulogne
         |                          |                  /-----Eustace I Count Of Boulogne
         |                          |                 |         \-----Adela Of Holland
         |                          |         /-----Lambert Of Boulogne, Count Of Lens
         |                          |        |        |         /-----Lambert I The Bearded Count Of Louvain
         |                          |        |         \-----Maud Of Louvain
         |                          |        |                  \-----Gerberga Of Lorraine
         |                           \-----Judith Of Lens
         |                                   |                  /-----Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy
         |                                   |         /-----Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy
         |                                   |        |         \-----Judith Of Brittany
         |                                    \-----Adelaide Of Normandy
         |                                            |         /-----Fulbert Of Falaise
         |                                             \-----Herleve Of Falaise
         |                                                      \-----Duxia
 /-----Saire De QUINCEY, Earl Of Winchester, MC Suret
|        |                  /-----William Lord Of Leuchars
|        |         /-----Ness Of Leuchars
|         \-----Orabella
Robert De QUINCY, Lord Of Ware
|                                                               /-----Torf The Rich
|                                                      /-----Thorold Seigeur Of Pont-Audemer
|                                                     |         \-----Etemberga De Briquebec
|                                             /-----Humphrey De Vieilles
|                                            |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
|                                            |         \-----Aveline
|                                    /-----Roger De Beaumont
|                                   |         \-----Aubreye De La Haie
|                           /-----Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
|                          |        |                           /-----Galeran II Count Of Meulen
|                          |        |                  /-----Hugo I Count Of Meulen
|                          |        |         /-----Waleran Count Of Meulan
|                          |        |        |        |         /-----Walter II Count Of Amiens, Valois, And The Vexin
|                          |        |        |         \-----Oda Of Valois
|                          |        |        |                  \-----Adele
|                          |         \-----Adelise Of Meulan
|                          |                  \-----Ode
|                  /-----Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
|                 |        |                                    /-----Hugh Capet King Of France
|                 |        |                           /-----Robert II The Pious King Of France
|                 |        |                          |         \-----Adelaide Of Poitou
|                 |        |                  /-----Henry I King Of France
|                 |        |                 |        |         /-----William I Count Of Aries And Provence
|                 |        |                 |         \-----Constance Of Provence
|                 |        |                 |                  \-----Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou
|                 |        |         /-----Hugh Magnus Duke Of France
|                 |        |        |        |                  /-----Saint Vladimir Grand Prince Of Kiev
|                 |        |        |        |         /-----Jaroslav I Grand Prince Of Kiev
|                 |        |        |        |        |         \-----Rogneide Of Polotzk
|                 |        |        |         \-----Anne Of Kiev
|                 |        |        |                 |         /-----Olaf III SKOTKONUNG, King Of Sweden
|                 |        |        |                  \-----Ingegard
|                 |        |        |                           \-----Astrid
|                 |         \-----Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
|                 |                 |                           /-----Herbert III Count Of Vermandois
|                 |                 |                  /-----Eudes Count Of Vermandois
|                 |                 |                 |         \-----Ermengarde Of Bar
|                 |                 |         /-----Herbert IV Count Of Vermandois
|                 |                 |        |         \-----Parvie
|                 |                  \-----Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess Of Vermandois
|                 |                          |                  /-----Raoul II Seigneur Of Crepy And Valois
|                 |                          |         /-----Raoul III The Great Count Of Valois And Vexin
|                 |                          |        |         \-----Adelaide Of Bretemil
|                 |                           \-----Adela De Valois
|                 |                                   |         /-----Nocher III Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube
|                 |                                    \-----Adela
|         /-----Sir Robert De BEAUMONT, Earl Of Leicester
|        |        |                           /-----Ralph De Gael, Earl Of Norfolk
|        |        |                  /-----Ralph De Gael De Montfort, Earl Of Norfolk
|        |        |                 |         \-----Getha
|        |        |         /-----Ralph De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort-Gael
|        |        |        |        |                           /-----Herfast
|        |        |        |        |                  /-----Osbern De Crepon, Steward Of Normandy
|        |        |        |        |         /-----William Fitz Osbern, Earl Of Hereford
|        |        |        |        |        |        |         /-----Ralph Count Of Ivry
|        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Emma Abbess Of St. Amand
|        |        |        |        |        |                  \-----Albereda
|        |        |        |         \-----Emma Fitz Osbern
|        |        |        |                 |                  /-----Ralph II De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches
|        |        |        |                 |         /-----Roger I De TOENI
|        |        |        |                  \-----Adelise De TONI
|        |        |        |                           \-----Godehildie
|        |         \-----Amicia De Gael
 \-----Margaret BEAUMONT
         |                                    /-----Robert De Grentmesnil
         |                           /-----Hugh De Grantmesnil, Baron Of Leicester
         |                          |        |         /-----Girole De Echafour
         |                          |         \-----Hawise De Echafour
         |                          |                 |         /-----Thursten De Bastenburgh
         |                          |                  \-----Gisela De Bastenburgh
         |                  /-----Robert De GRANTMESNIL
         |                 |        |                           /-----Ivo Count Of Belemontensis
         |                 |        |                  /-----Ivo I Count Of Beaumont
         |                 |        |         /-----Ivo II Count Of Beaumont
         |                 |        |        |         \-----Emma
         |                 |         \-----Adeliza Of Beaumont
         |                 |                  \-----Judith
         |         /-----William De GRANTMESNIL
         |        |        |                  /-----(Unk) De Estouteville
         |        |        |         /-----Robert De Estouteville
         |        |         \-----Emma De Estouteville
         |        |                  \-----Beatrix
          \-----Petronilla De GRANTMESNIL



Descendants of Robert De QUINCY, Lord Of Ware
1. Robert De QUINCY, Lord Of Ware m. Elen
m. Elen father: Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH, Prince Of North Wales mother: Joan

2nd generation

4. Hawise De QUINCY m. Sir Baldwin WAKE, Baron Of Bourne
m. Sir Baldwin WAKE, Baron Of Bourne father: Hugh WAKE, Baron Of Bourne mother: Joan De STUTEVILLE

3rd generation

6. Sir Hugh WAKE m. Joan De BOLANY
m. Joan De BOLANY father: Baldwin De BOLANY
7. Sir John WAKE, Lord Wake m. Joan FIENNES
m. Joan FIENNES father: Sir William FIENNES mother: Blanche De BRIENNE, Lady Of Loupeland

4th generation

9. Mirabel WAKE m1. Hugh De St JOHN, Lord St John m2. Thomas De ASPALE
m. Hugh De St JOHN, Lord St John father: Sir John De St JOHN, Lord St John mother: Isabel COURTENAY
m. Thomas De ASPALE father: Sir Robert De ASPALE mother: Alice De CRESSINGHAM
12. Margaret WAKE, Baroness Wake m1. Sir John COMYN m2. Edmund Of Woodstock PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Kent
m. Sir John COMYN father: John The Red COMYN, Lord Of Badenock mother: Joan De VALENCE
m. Edmund Of Woodstock PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Kent father: Edward I King Of England mother: Marguerite Of France

5th generation

13. Margaret De St JOHN m. John De St PHILIBERT, Lord St Philibert
m. John De St PHILIBERT, Lord St Philibert father: Sir John De St PHILIBERT mother: Ada De BOTETOURTE
15. Isabel De St JOHN, Baroness St John m1. Henry De BURGHERSH m2. Sir Luke De POYNINGS, Lord Poynings m3. Sir Thomas WORTING
m. Henry De BURGHERSH father: Sir Bartholomew De BURGHERSH, Lord Burghersh mother: Elizabeth De VERDUN
m. Sir Luke De POYNINGS, Lord Poynings father: Sir Thomas De POYNINGS mother: Agnes De ROKESLEY
m. Sir Thomas WORTING father: Thomas WORTING
16. Sir John De ASPALE m. Katherine De PECCHE, Baroness Pecche
m. Katherine De PECCHE, Baroness Pecche father: Gilbert De PECCHE, Lord Pecche mother: Joan
20. Joan PLANTAGENET, Fair Maid Of Kent, Countess m1. Sir Thomas De HOLAND, K.G., Earl Of Kent m2. William De MONTAGU, K.G., Earl Of Salisbury m3. Edward The Black K.G., Prince of Aquitaine and Wales
m. Sir Thomas De HOLAND, K.G., Earl Of Kent father: Sir Robert De HOLAND, Lord Holand mother: Maud La Zouche
m. William De MONTAGU, K.G., Earl Of Salisbury father: Sir William De MONTAGU, Earl Of Salisbury mother: Katharine De GRANDISON
m. Edward The Black K.G., Prince of Aquitaine and Wales father: Edward III King Of England mother: Philippa Of Hainault