Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Elizabeth De SAY Birth: 24 Feb 1365/6
Death: 8 Jul 1399
- John De SAY, Lord Say Birth: Abt 1373
Death: 27 Jul 1382
Bibliography
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Banks, Thomas Christopher, Baronia anglica concentrata: or, A concentrated account of all the baronies commonly called baronies in fee; deriving their origin from writ of summons, and not from any specific limited creation. London: Simpkin, 1844. Available at https://archive.org/details/baroniaanglicaco01bankuoft. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Banks Baronies v[1-2]p[0-9]*].
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Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 02 Bass-Canning. London: St Catherine Press, 1912. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 2 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo02coka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP II [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 06 Gordon-Huntley. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP VI [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Clutterbuck, Robert, History and Antiquities of the County of Hertford, London: Nichols, Son, and Bentley, 1815-27, v1-3. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/188626. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Clutterbuck Hertford v[1-3]p[0-9]*].
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Craig, F N, Whose son was Peter de Braose, NEHGR v150 (Jul 1996). pp315-24. Available at http://americanancestors.org/databases/new-england-historical-and-genealogical-register/image Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Craig Braose p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p[0-9]*].
Sources for birth and parent Information
- date:
- [Ref: CP XI p477, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571],
- place:
- [Ref: CP XI p477, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571],
- parents:
- [Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, CP VI p493(f), CP XI p477, Richardson
RoyalAnc v4p570]
Sources for baptism Information
- place:
- [Ref: CP XI p477]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- before 7 Aug 1375 [Ref: CP XI p477]
- shortly before 7 Aug 1375 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]
Sources with Information about marriage to Beatrice De BREWOSE
- date:
- before 1369-70 (date of Settlement) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571],
- names:
- [Ref: CP XI p477, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p260, Richardson RoyalAnc
v5p143, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p145],
- child:
- [Ref: Banks Baronies v1p135, CP II p310, CP V p251 (with corr in XIV
p316), CP VI p493 (with corr in XIV p382), CP XI p478, Craig Braose p323,
Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]
Research Notes:
3rd Lord Say, of Barony cr 1313 [Ref: CP XI p477]
3rd Lord Say [Ref: CP V p251 (with corr in XIV p316), Richardson RoyalAnc
v4p260, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p570, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p143, Richardson
RoyalAnc v5p145]
Lord Say [Ref: CP II p310]
Knt, of Birling, Cudham, Burham, and West Greenwich, Kent, Sawbridgeworth,
Hertfordshire, Buxted and Streat, Sussex, etc [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc
v4p571]
of Sawbridgeworth, Herts, Buxgted and Street, Sussex, Birlig, Cudham,
Burham, and West Greenwich, Kent [Ref: CP V p251]
heir of his father [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]
Pedigree of William De SAY, Lord Say
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Jordan De SAY
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William De SAY
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Lucy De RUMILLY
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Geoffrey De SAY
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William De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
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Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
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Margaret RIE
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Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
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Ralph De CHESNEY
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John De CHESNEY
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Alice MAMINOT
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Alice De CHESNEY
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Sibil
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Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
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Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
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Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
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Adeliza Le MESCHIN
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Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety
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James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
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Maud St. HILLARY
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Aveline
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Hawise De CLARE
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Robert The Consul De CAEN, Earl Of Gloucester
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William Meullant FITZ ROBERT, Earl Of Gloucester
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Maud FITZ HAMOND
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Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
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Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Hawise DeBEAUMONT
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Amicia De Gael
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William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
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Sibyl
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Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
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Elizabeth
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Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
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(Unk) De LEYBURN
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Philip De LEYBURN
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Robet De LEYBURN
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Robert Fitz Gerold
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Amy FITZGEROLD
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Alice De NOERS
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Roger De LEYBURN
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Margaret
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Roger De LEYBURN
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John De TONG
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Robert De TURNHAM
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Stephen De TURNHAM
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Eleanor De TURNHAM
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Oyne PURCEL
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Ranulf De BROC
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Edeline De BROC
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Damietta De GORAM
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William De LEYBURN, Lord Leyburn
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(Unk)
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Idoine De LEYBURN
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Simon De SANDWICH
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Sir Henry De SANDWICH
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Juliane De SANDWICH
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Hugh De Auberville
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William De Auberville
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Wimarca
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Hugh De Auberville
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Ranulph De GLANVILLE, Chief Justiciar Of England
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Maud De GLANVILLE
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Bertha De VALOINES
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William De AUBERVILLE
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Joan De AUBERVILLE
William De SAY, Lord Say
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Walter BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
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William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
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Emeline De ARBITOT
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William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Bertha BRAOS
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Bertha Of Hereford
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Walter De BEAUCHAMP
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Sir Thomas De St VALERIE
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Joan De St VALERIE
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William BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Elmsley Castle
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Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Roger De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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William De MESCHINES, Baron Of Egremont
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Maud De MESCHINES
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Cecily De ROMILLY
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Joan MORTIMER
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Henry De FERRERS
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Walkeline FERRERS, Lord Of Oakham
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Isabel De FERRIERS
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William De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
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William II MAUDIT
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William III MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
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Maude De HAMESLAPE
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Robert MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
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Simon II De St. LIZ, Earl Of Huntingdon
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Isabel De St LIZ
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Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
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William IV MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
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Thurstan BASSET
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Isabel BASSET
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Isabel MAUDUIT
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Henry De Newburgh, Earl Of Warwick
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Roger De Newburgh, Earl Of Warwick
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Margaret De Perche
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Waleran Beaumont De Newbourge, Earl Of Warwick
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William II De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey
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Gundred De WARENNE, Countess Of Warwick
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Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
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Alice De NEWBOURGE
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Ivo De Harcourt
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Robert De Harcourt
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Alice De Harcourt
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Richard De Camville
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Millicent De Camville
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Milicent Of Rethel
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Sir Guy De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
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Piers De LUTEGARESHALE
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Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
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Maud
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Sir John FITZ GEOFFREY
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Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
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Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
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Adeliza De CLERMONT
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Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
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Ranulph III De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester
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Adeliza Le MESCHIN
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Lucia Of East Angies
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Aveline De CLARE
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Hasculf De St JAMES, Baron Of Field Dalling
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James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
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Matilda
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Maud St. HILLARY
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Aveline
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Maud FITZJOHN
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Roger BIGOD, Baron Of Framlingham
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Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk And Suffolk
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Alice De TOENI
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Roger BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
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Alberic II De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
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Juliana VERE
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Adeliza De CLARE
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Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
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Roger III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Ralph V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Ida (Gertrude) Of Hainault
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Ida Countess Of Norfolk
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Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Margaret De BEAUMONT
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Amicia De Gael
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Isabel BIGOD
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Gilbert GIFFARD, Marshal
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John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
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(Unk dau) De VENOIZ
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Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke
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Walter De SALISBURY, Baron Of Chitterne
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Sibyl De SALISBURY
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Sibyl De CHAWORTH
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Maud MARSHALL
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Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
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Richard "Strongbow" De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
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Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
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Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke
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Dairmait Mac MURCHAD, King Of Leinster
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Aoife Macmurchada Of Leinster
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Mor Ua TUATHAIL
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Maud De BEAUCHAMP
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Roger III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Ralph V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Ida (Gertrude) Of Hainault
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Roger IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Margaret De BEAUMONT
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Amicia De Gael
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Ralph VI De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Roscelin De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine
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Richard I De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine
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Constance
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Constance De BEAUMONT
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Richard II Seigneur of l'Aigle
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Lucie De L'AIGLE
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Beatrice
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Roger V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Gilbert De LACY
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Hugh De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
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Walter De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
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Baderon De MONMOUTH
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Roheis De MONMOUTH
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Rohese De CLARE
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Petronilla De LACY
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Bertha Of Hereford
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Margaret De BRAOISE
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Bernard De St VALERY, Baron Of Beckley
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Matilda De ST VALERIE De HAIA
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Matilda
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Ralph VII De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Humphrey III De BOHUN, Baron Of Trowbridge
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Humphrey IV De BOHUN, Baron Of Trowbridge
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Margaret Of Hereford
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Henry De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford, MC Surety
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Henry Of Huntingdon, Earl Of Huntingdon
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Margaret Of Huntingdon
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Ada De WARENNE
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Humphrey V De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex
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Piers De LUTEGARESHALE
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Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
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Maud
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Maud FITZ GEOFFREY De MANDEVILLE
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William De SAY
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Beatrice De SAY
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Aufrica
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Alice De BOHUN
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Hugh VIII Sire De Lusignan
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Hugh Sire De Lusignan
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Burgundia Dame De Fontenay
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Raoul I De LUSIGNAN, Count D'Eu
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Orengarde
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Maud D'EU
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John Count D'Eu, Baron Of Hastings
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Henry Count D'Eu, Baron Of Hastings
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Adelise D'AUBIGNY
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Alice D'EU, Countess Of Eu, Lady Of Hastings
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Hameline PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Surrey
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Maud De WARENNE
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Isabel De WARENNE, Countess Of Surrey
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Alice De TOENI
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Mary
Descendants of William De SAY, Lord Say