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Marriage: Children:
  1. Elizabeth De SAY Birth: 24 Feb 1365/6 Death: 8 Jul 1399
  2. John De SAY, Lord Say Birth: Abt 1373 Death: 27 Jul 1382

Bibliography
  1. Banks, Thomas Christopher, Baronia anglica concentrata: or, A concentrated account of all the baronies commonly called baronies in fee; deriving their origin from writ of summons, and not from any specific limited creation. London: Simpkin, 1844. Available at https://archive.org/details/baroniaanglicaco01bankuoft. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Banks Baronies v[1-2]p[0-9]*].
  2. Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 02 Bass-Canning. London: St Catherine Press, 1912. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 2 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo02coka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP II [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
  5. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 06 Gordon-Huntley. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP VI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  6. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  7. Clutterbuck, Robert, History and Antiquities of the County of Hertford, London: Nichols, Son, and Bentley, 1815-27, v1-3. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/188626. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Clutterbuck Hertford v[1-3]p[0-9]*].
  8. Craig, F N, Whose son was Peter de Braose, NEHGR v150 (Jul 1996). pp315-24. Available at http://americanancestors.org/databases/new-england-historical-and-genealogical-register/image Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Craig Braose p[0-9]*].
  9. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  10. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
[Ref: CP XI p477, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571],
place:
[Ref: CP XI p477, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571],
parents:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, CP VI p493(f), CP XI p477, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p570]
Sources for baptism Information
place:
[Ref: CP XI p477]
Sources for death Information
date:
before 7 Aug 1375 [Ref: CP XI p477]
shortly before 7 Aug 1375 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]
Sources with Information about marriage to Beatrice De BREWOSE
date:
before 1369-70 (date of Settlement) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571],
names:
[Ref: CP XI p477, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p260, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p143, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p145],
child:
[Ref: Banks Baronies v1p135, CP II p310, CP V p251 (with corr in XIV p316), CP VI p493 (with corr in XIV p382), CP XI p478, Craig Braose p323, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]
Research Notes:
3rd Lord Say, of Barony cr 1313 [Ref: CP XI p477]
3rd Lord Say [Ref: CP V p251 (with corr in XIV p316), Richardson RoyalAnc v4p260, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p570, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p143, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p145]
Lord Say [Ref: CP II p310]

Knt, of Birling, Cudham, Burham, and West Greenwich, Kent, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, Buxted and Streat, Sussex, etc [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]
of Sawbridgeworth, Herts, Buxgted and Street, Sussex, Birlig, Cudham, Burham, and West Greenwich, Kent [Ref: CP V p251]

heir of his father [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]



Pedigree of William De SAY, Lord Say
                                                                /-----Jordan De SAY
                                                       /-----William De SAY
                                                      |         \-----Lucy De RUMILLY
                                              /-----Geoffrey De SAY
                                             |        |         /-----William De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
                                             |         \-----Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
                                             |                  \-----Margaret RIE
                                     /-----Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
                                    |        |                  /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
                                    |        |         /-----John De CHESNEY
                                    |        |        |         \-----Alice MAMINOT
                                    |         \-----Alice De CHESNEY
                                    |                  \-----Sibil
                            /-----Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
                           |        |                           /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
                           |        |                  /-----Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
                           |        |                 |         \-----Adeliza Le MESCHIN
                           |        |         /-----Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety
                           |        |        |        |         /-----James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
                           |        |        |         \-----Maud St. HILLARY
                           |        |        |                  \-----Aveline
                           |         \-----Hawise De CLARE
                           |                 |                  /-----Robert The Consul De CAEN, Earl Of Gloucester
                           |                 |         /-----William Meullant FITZ ROBERT, Earl Of Gloucester
                           |                 |        |         \-----Maud FITZ HAMOND
                           |                  \-----Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
                           |                          |         /-----Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
                           |                           \-----Hawise DeBEAUMONT
                           |                                    \-----Amicia De Gael
                   /-----William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
                  |         \-----Sibyl
          /-----Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
         |         \-----Elizabeth
 /-----Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
|        |                                                      /-----(Unk) De LEYBURN
|        |                                             /-----Philip De LEYBURN
|        |                                    /-----Robet De LEYBURN
|        |                                   |        |         /-----Robert Fitz Gerold
|        |                                   |         \-----Amy FITZGEROLD
|        |                                   |                  \-----Alice De NOERS
|        |                           /-----Roger De LEYBURN
|        |                          |         \-----Margaret
|        |                  /-----Roger De LEYBURN
|        |                 |        |                           /-----John De TONG
|        |                 |        |                  /-----Robert De TURNHAM
|        |                 |        |         /-----Stephen De TURNHAM
|        |                 |         \-----Eleanor De TURNHAM
|        |                 |                 |                  /-----Oyne PURCEL
|        |                 |                 |         /-----Ranulf De BROC
|        |                 |                  \-----Edeline De BROC
|        |                 |                           \-----Damietta De GORAM
|        |         /-----William De LEYBURN, Lord Leyburn
|        |        |         \-----(Unk)
|         \-----Idoine De LEYBURN
|                 |                  /-----Simon De SANDWICH
|                 |         /-----Sir Henry De SANDWICH
|                  \-----Juliane De SANDWICH
|                          |                                    /-----Hugh De Auberville
|                          |                           /-----William De Auberville
|                          |                          |         \-----Wimarca
|                          |                  /-----Hugh De Auberville
|                          |                 |        |         /-----Ranulph De GLANVILLE, Chief Justiciar Of England
|                          |                 |         \-----Maud De GLANVILLE
|                          |                 |                  \-----Bertha De VALOINES
|                          |         /-----William De AUBERVILLE
|                           \-----Joan De AUBERVILLE
William De SAY, Lord Say
|                                                               /-----Walter BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
|                                                      /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
|                                                     |         \-----Emeline De ARBITOT
|                                             /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
|                                            |        |         /-----William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
|                                            |         \-----Bertha BRAOS
|                                            |                  \-----Bertha Of Hereford
|                                    /-----Walter De BEAUCHAMP
|                                   |        |         /-----Sir Thomas De St VALERIE
|                                   |         \-----Joan De St VALERIE
|                           /-----William BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Elmsley Castle
|                          |        |                           /-----Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
|                          |        |                  /-----Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
|                          |        |         /-----Roger De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
|                          |        |        |        |         /-----William De MESCHINES, Baron Of Egremont
|                          |        |        |         \-----Maud De MESCHINES
|                          |        |        |                  \-----Cecily De ROMILLY
|                          |         \-----Joan MORTIMER
|                          |                 |                  /-----Henry De FERRERS
|                          |                 |         /-----Walkeline FERRERS, Lord Of Oakham
|                          |                  \-----Isabel De FERRIERS
|                  /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
|                 |        |                                    /-----William II MAUDIT
|                 |        |                           /-----William III MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
|                 |        |                          |         \-----Maude De HAMESLAPE
|                 |        |                  /-----Robert MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
|                 |        |                 |        |         /-----Simon II De St. LIZ, Earl Of Huntingdon
|                 |        |                 |         \-----Isabel De St LIZ
|                 |        |                 |                  \-----Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
|                 |        |         /-----William IV MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
|                 |        |        |        |         /-----Thurstan BASSET
|                 |        |        |         \-----Isabel BASSET
|                 |         \-----Isabel MAUDUIT
|                 |                 |                           /-----Henry De Newburgh, Earl Of Warwick
|                 |                 |                  /-----Roger De Newburgh, Earl Of Warwick
|                 |                 |                 |         \-----Margaret De Perche
|                 |                 |         /-----Waleran Beaumont De Newbourge, Earl Of Warwick
|                 |                 |        |        |         /-----William II De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey
|                 |                 |        |         \-----Gundred De WARENNE, Countess Of Warwick
|                 |                 |        |                  \-----Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
|                 |                  \-----Alice De NEWBOURGE
|                 |                          |                  /-----Ivo De Harcourt
|                 |                          |         /-----Robert De Harcourt
|                 |                           \-----Alice De Harcourt
|                 |                                   |         /-----Richard De Camville
|                 |                                    \-----Millicent De Camville
|                 |                                             \-----Milicent Of Rethel
|         /-----Sir Guy De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
|        |        |                           /-----Piers De LUTEGARESHALE
|        |        |                  /-----Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
|        |        |                 |         \-----Maud
|        |        |         /-----Sir John FITZ GEOFFREY
|        |        |        |        |                           /-----Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
|        |        |        |        |                  /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
|        |        |        |        |                 |         \-----Adeliza De CLERMONT
|        |        |        |        |         /-----Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
|        |        |        |        |        |        |         /-----Ranulph III De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester
|        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Adeliza Le MESCHIN
|        |        |        |        |        |                  \-----Lucia Of East Angies
|        |        |        |         \-----Aveline De CLARE
|        |        |        |                 |                  /-----Hasculf De St JAMES, Baron Of Field Dalling
|        |        |        |                 |         /-----James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
|        |        |        |                 |        |         \-----Matilda
|        |        |        |                  \-----Maud St. HILLARY
|        |        |        |                           \-----Aveline
|        |         \-----Maud FITZJOHN
|        |                 |                                    /-----Roger BIGOD, Baron Of Framlingham
|        |                 |                           /-----Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk And Suffolk
|        |                 |                          |         \-----Alice De TOENI
|        |                 |                  /-----Roger BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
|        |                 |                 |        |         /-----Alberic II De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
|        |                 |                 |         \-----Juliana VERE
|        |                 |                 |                  \-----Adeliza De CLARE
|        |                 |         /-----Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
|        |                 |        |        |                  /-----Roger III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
|        |                 |        |        |         /-----Ralph V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
|        |                 |        |        |        |         \-----Ida (Gertrude) Of Hainault
|        |                 |        |         \-----Ida Countess Of Norfolk
|        |                 |        |                 |         /-----Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
|        |                 |        |                  \-----Margaret De BEAUMONT
|        |                 |        |                           \-----Amicia De Gael
|        |                  \-----Isabel BIGOD
|        |                          |                           /-----Gilbert GIFFARD, Marshal
|        |                          |                  /-----John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
|        |                          |                 |         \-----(Unk dau) De VENOIZ
|        |                          |         /-----Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke
|        |                          |        |        |         /-----Walter De SALISBURY, Baron Of Chitterne
|        |                          |        |         \-----Sibyl De SALISBURY
|        |                          |        |                  \-----Sibyl De CHAWORTH
|        |                           \-----Maud MARSHALL
|        |                                   |                  /-----Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
|        |                                   |         /-----Richard "Strongbow" De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
|        |                                   |        |         \-----Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
|        |                                    \-----Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke
|        |                                            |         /-----Dairmait Mac MURCHAD, King Of Leinster
|        |                                             \-----Aoife Macmurchada Of Leinster
|        |                                                      \-----Mor Ua TUATHAIL
 \-----Maud De BEAUCHAMP
         |                                                      /-----Roger III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
         |                                             /-----Ralph V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
         |                                            |         \-----Ida (Gertrude) Of Hainault
         |                                    /-----Roger IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
         |                                   |        |         /-----Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
         |                                   |         \-----Margaret De BEAUMONT
         |                                   |                  \-----Amicia De Gael
         |                           /-----Ralph VI De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
         |                          |        |                  /-----Roscelin De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine
         |                          |        |         /-----Richard I De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine
         |                          |        |        |         \-----Constance
         |                          |         \-----Constance De BEAUMONT
         |                          |                 |         /-----Richard II Seigneur of l'Aigle
         |                          |                  \-----Lucie De L'AIGLE
         |                          |                           \-----Beatrice
         |                  /-----Roger V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
         |                 |        |                           /-----Gilbert De LACY
         |                 |        |                  /-----Hugh De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
         |                 |        |         /-----Walter De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
         |                 |        |        |        |         /-----Baderon De MONMOUTH
         |                 |        |        |         \-----Roheis De MONMOUTH
         |                 |        |        |                  \-----Rohese De CLARE
         |                 |         \-----Petronilla De LACY
         |                 |                 |                  /-----William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
         |                 |                 |         /-----William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
         |                 |                 |        |         \-----Bertha Of Hereford
         |                 |                  \-----Margaret De BRAOISE
         |                 |                          |         /-----Bernard De St VALERY, Baron Of Beckley
         |                 |                           \-----Matilda De ST VALERIE De HAIA
         |                 |                                    \-----Matilda
         |         /-----Ralph VII De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
         |        |        |                                    /-----Humphrey III De BOHUN, Baron Of Trowbridge
         |        |        |                           /-----Humphrey IV De BOHUN, Baron Of Trowbridge
         |        |        |                          |         \-----Margaret Of Hereford
         |        |        |                  /-----Henry De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford, MC Surety
         |        |        |                 |        |         /-----Henry Of Huntingdon, Earl Of Huntingdon
         |        |        |                 |         \-----Margaret Of Huntingdon
         |        |        |                 |                  \-----Ada De WARENNE
         |        |        |         /-----Humphrey V De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex
         |        |        |        |        |                  /-----Piers De LUTEGARESHALE
         |        |        |        |        |         /-----Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
         |        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Maud
         |        |        |        |         \-----Maud FITZ GEOFFREY De MANDEVILLE
         |        |        |        |                 |         /-----William De SAY
         |        |        |        |                  \-----Beatrice De SAY
         |        |        |        |                           \-----Aufrica
         |        |         \-----Alice De BOHUN
         |        |                 |                           /-----Hugh VIII Sire De Lusignan
         |        |                 |                  /-----Hugh Sire De Lusignan
         |        |                 |                 |         \-----Burgundia Dame De Fontenay
         |        |                 |         /-----Raoul I De LUSIGNAN, Count D'Eu
         |        |                 |        |         \-----Orengarde
         |        |                  \-----Maud D'EU
         |        |                          |                  /-----John Count D'Eu, Baron Of Hastings
         |        |                          |         /-----Henry Count D'Eu, Baron Of Hastings
         |        |                          |        |         \-----Adelise D'AUBIGNY
         |        |                           \-----Alice D'EU, Countess Of Eu, Lady Of Hastings
         |        |                                   |         /-----Hameline PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Surrey
         |        |                                    \-----Maud De WARENNE
         |        |                                             \-----Isabel De WARENNE, Countess Of Surrey
          \-----Alice De TOENI
                   \-----Mary



Descendants of William De SAY, Lord Say
1. William De SAY, Lord Say m. Beatrice De BREWOSE
m. Beatrice De BREWOSE father: Sir Thomas De BREWOSE, Lord Brewose mother: Beatrice MORTIMER