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  1. Engeltron Of Paris
  2. Laundrei Of Paris
  3. Susanna Birth: Abt 805
  4. Eberhard Count Of Paris Birth: Abt 806 Death: Abt 861
  5. Leutand Count Of Paris Birth: Abt 806 Death: Abt 858

Bibliography
  1. Brandenburg, Erich, Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen, Faksimile-Nachdruck von 1935 (Facsimile reproduction of 1935), mit Korrekturen und Erganzungen versehen von (with corrections and additions provided by) Manfred Dreiss und Lupold v. Lehsten. Neustadt an der Aisch:Verlag Degener, 1995. NYPL ATH (Charlemagne) 96-4768. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p[0-9]*].
  2. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. I: Die Stammesherzoge, Die Weltlichenkurforsten, Die Kaiserlichen, Koniglichen und Grossherzoglichen Familien. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1980. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES I #[0-9]*].
  3. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. I.1: Die frankischen Konige und die Konige und Kaiser, Stammesherzoge, Kurfursten, Markgrafen und Herzoge des Heiligen Romischen Reiches Deutscher Nation. Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, 1998. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES I.1 #[0-9]*].
  4. The Henry Project: The Ancestors of King Henry II of England, An eperiment in a cooperative online database for scholarly medieval genealogy. Contributors and Editors: Stewart Baldwin, Todd Farmerie, Peter Stewart. Available at https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/ Information from this source tagged as [Ref: HenryII .*].
  5. Moriarty, G Andrews, Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III And Queen Philippa. Salt Lake: Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, 1985. LDS Film#0441438. NYPL ARF-86-2555. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/film/007905814?cat=66443. Also available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/66443. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p[0-9]*].
  6. Borthwick, Richard, Alpais wife of Begga of Paris. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 5/29/1998. Subject: "Aupais". Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/WG1re-xTIUQ/m/zkrikKZPn0AJ. Author address: rgbor at cyllene dot uwa dot edu dot au. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM 5/29/1998].
  7. Borthwick, Richard, Alpais wife of Bego. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 5/7/1998. Subject: deCOURTNEY. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/7CklzVQB6gA/m/MO3o47rcyI4J. Author address: rgbor at cyllene dot uwa dot edu dot au. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM 5/7/1998].
  8. Settipani, Christian, La prehistore des Capetiens: 481-987. Villeneue d'Asacq: P. Van Kerrebrouck, 1993. NYPL ASF (Capet) 94-7243. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Settipani Capet [p#][0-9]*].
  9. Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].
  10. exet0133, Begon/Begue, Count of Paris. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 3/22/1996. Subject: Begon/Begue, Count of Paris. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/YKiErllPOsk/m/bMo5HMEzFaMJ. Author address: exet0133 at SABLE dot OX dot AC dot UK. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: exet0133 SGM 3/22/1996].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
765 [Ref: Settipani Capet #5]
abt 794 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p109]
say 797 [Ref: HenryII alpai000 8/16/2012],
father:
[Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, ES I #2, ES I.1 #4]
Louis der Fromme (#10841) [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p87]
illegitimate daughter [Ref: HenryII louis000 8/16/2012],
mother:
Verbindung mit NN [Ref: ES I.1 #4],
grandfather:
Charlemagne [Ref: HenryII charl000 7/16/2012],
name:
Alpaide [Ref: HenryII begon000 8/16/2012]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
parents:
Charlemagne (#10744) & Himeltrude (#32440) [Ref: Settipani Capet #5],
father:
Charlemagne (#10744) [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p22, Weis AR7 #191],
mother:
Ermengarde (#10842) [Ref: ES I #2]
Irmgard (#10842) or Concubine [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1]
Sources for death Information
date:
23 Jul, after 852 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p109, HenryII alpai000 8/16/2012]
after 852 [Ref: Settipani Capet #5]
on 23 Sep, after 29 May 852 [Ref: HenryII charl000 7/16/2012, HenryII louis000 8/16/2012]
Sources with Information about marriage to Begue Count Of Paris
date:
abt 806 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p109]
um 806 [Ref: ES I.1 #4],
names:
[Ref: HenryII begon000 8/16/2012, HenryII charl000 7/16/2012, HenryII louis000 8/16/2012]
possible child of Begue & Aupals [Ref: HenryII susan001 8/16/2012],
child:
[Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p110, Brandenburg 1995 p1, Brandenburg 1995 p87, HenryII alpai000 8/16/2012, HenryII susan001 8/16/2012, Moriarty Plantagenet p22, Moriarty Plantagenet p23, Weis AR7 #191]
Research Notes:
became Abbess of St. Peters, Rheims [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p1, ES I.1 #4, HenryII alpai000 8/16/2012, Moriarty Plantagenet p22]

she is ften called a natural daughter of the Emperor Louis the Pious, but other authorities style her as a natural daughter of Charlemagne, which is undoubtedly, for chronological reasons, correct. [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p23]

Alpaida, seen as an illegitimate daughter of Louis the Pious (so Werner Die Nachkommen.., Karl der Grosse, 1965) though there is some dispute about this, not least in that chronologically it is difficult to fit a daughter in for LP: some therefore see her as a illegitimate daughter of Charlemagne. Check out A.Cabaniss, Son of Charlemagne, the Astronomer's Life of Louis, which discusses this. [Ref: exet0133 SGM 3/22/1996]

Alpais (b.ca.794 d.after 852 m.ca.806) wife of count Bego (b.ca.755/60 d.816) was the daughter of Louis the Pious (son of Charlemagne) by an unknown mistress. As abbess of S.-Pierre-le-Bas at Rheims Alpais witnesses as daughter of Louis the Pious [Sources: K F Werner "Nachkommen Karls des Grossen" in Braunfels (ed) *Karl der Grosse: Lebenswerk und Nachleben* cf Hlawitschka's critique of Werner's account in *Anfaenge de Hauses Habsburg-Lothringen* pp.165-169.]. [Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM 5/7/1998]

There are two positions on Alpais' origins and largely they depend on how one interprets the following passage from the Monor Lorsch Annals (Codex Fuldensis) for 816 (MGH SS 1): "Picco, primis de amicis regis, qui et filiam imperatoris [*] duxit [duxerat] uxorem, defunctus est." The Hildesheim Annals repeat this but insert at [*] the words "nomine Elpheid". A fairly literal translation is: "Bego/Biggo, first amongst the kings friends, who [had] also married the emperor's daughter [by name Elpheid], died." The question is whether '... imperatoris ...' refers to the 816 emperor (i.e. the current one, Louis the Pious) or to the previous one (Charlemagne).
Flodoard in his history of the church of Reims says that Alpais was the daughter of Louis. But Flodoard (writing very much later, in the c10th) would appear to be using the Lorsch/Hildesheim annals, making the reference of '..imperatoris..' to be Louis the Pious who was indeed emperor in 816. This does not settle the matter since Flodoard (who is usually very reliable) may have made a not unreasonable but nevertheless wrong identification. Count Bego (before his brief time as count of Paris) had a career in southern France during Louis the Pious' time as king of Aquitaine. Since Bego married while Charlemagne reigned (but probably before he bacame emperor in 800) the reference of 'regis' in the Lorsch Annals quoted aboe is thus to Louis as king of Aquitaine and 'imperatoris' is to Charlemagne. Whether Alpais is the daughter of Charlemagne or of his son thus turns on how one critically interprets Flodoard. [Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM 5/29/1998]

Although the Annales Laurissenses Minores do not state which imperator (Charlemagne or Louis) was the father of Alpaide, Louis was the current emperor, and Flodoard's testimony also gives that parentage. Thus the case (mainly chronological) for making her a daughter of Charlemagne instead is weak (see the discussion by Settipani (1993). 200-3) [Ref: HenryII alpai000 8/16/2012]

Alpaide may have been illegitimate, but it is possible that her mother was Louis's first wife Ermengarde. [Ref: HenryII alpai000 8/16/2012]

----- Europaische Stammtafeln I.1 #4 ("Die Karlinger I, 800-877 Kaiser, 768-877 Konige der Franken"): Alpais/Elpheid, als Wwe Abt v St-Pierre-le-Bas zu Reims *(794) d. 23.VII... (nach 29.V 852); m. um 806 Bego Graf d. 28.X 816 [Ref: ES I.1 #4]



Pedigree of Aupals
                                                                /-----Bodogisel Duke
                                                       /-----Saint Arnulf Bishop Of Metz
                                                      |         \-----Saint Ode
                                              /-----Duke Ansgise Mayor Of The Palace To Siegbert
                                             |        |         /-----Arnoldus Bishop Of Metz
                                             |         \-----Dode
                                     /-----Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
                                    |        |                  /-----Carloman Nobleman Of Austrasie
                                    |        |         /-----Pepin Of Landen, Mayor Of The Palace
                                    |        |        |         \-----Gertrude
                                    |         \-----Saint Begga Of Landen
                                    |                 |         /-----Grimoalde Of Aquitaine
                                    |                  \-----Itta Idoberge Abbess Of Nivelles
                                    |                           \-----Saint Itte
                            /-----Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
                           |        |         /-----Childebrand
                           |         \-----Aupais
                   /-----Pepin The Short King Of The Franks
                  |        |                                    /-----Lambert I Nobleman Of Therouanne
                  |        |                           /-----Chrodobertus MajorDomo, Count Palatine
                  |        |                  /-----(Unk) Noble Of Hesbaye
                  |        |                 |        |         /-----(Unknown) Of Echternach, Austrasien Nobleman
                  |        |                 |         \-----Theodrada
                  |        |         /-----Lambertus II Of Hesbaye
                  |         \-----Chrotrudis
          /-----Charlemagne King Of France
         |        |                                             /-----Chrodobertus MajorDomo, Count Palatine
         |        |                                    /-----(Unk) Noble Of Hesbaye
         |        |                                   |         \-----Theodrada
         |        |                           /-----Chariveus Count Of Laon
         |        |                  /-----(Unk Son) Of Bavaria
         |        |                 |        |                  /-----Alberic
         |        |                 |        |         /-----Hubert Prince Of Bavaria
         |        |                 |        |        |         \-----Adele
         |        |                 |         \-----Irmina
         |        |                 |                 |         /-----Theodard Bishop Of Liege
         |        |                 |                  \-----Theodrada
         |        |                 |                           \-----(Unk Dau)
         |        |         /-----Caribert Count Of Laon
         |        |        |        |                           /-----Dagobert I King Of Franks
         |        |        |        |                  /-----Clovis II King Of Franks
         |        |        |        |                 |         \-----Nanthildis Queen Of Franks
         |        |        |        |         /-----Theoderic III King Of Franks, King Of Burgundy
         |        |        |        |        |         \-----Saint Bathildis
         |        |        |         \-----Bertrade De Preum
         |        |        |                 |                  /-----Saint Arnulf Bishop Of Metz
         |        |        |                 |         /-----Duke Ansgise Mayor Of The Palace To Siegbert
         |        |        |                 |        |         \-----Dode
         |        |        |                  \-----Dode
         |        |        |                          |         /-----Pepin Of Landen, Mayor Of The Palace
         |        |        |                           \-----Saint Begga Of Landen
         |        |        |                                    \-----Itta Idoberge Abbess Of Nivelles
         |         \-----Bertha Of Laon, Countess Of Laon
         |                  \-----Gisele
 /-----Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
|        |                  /-----Agilolf
|        |         /-----Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
|         \-----Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
|                 |                                             /-----Leuthaire Duke Of Alemania
|                 |                                    /-----(Unk) Duke Of Alemania
|                 |                                   |         \-----Acca Of Frioul
|                 |                           /-----Godefrey Duke Of Alamannia
|                 |                          |        |         /-----Willibald Patrice Of Burgundy
|                 |                          |         \-----(Unk) Of Burgundy
|                 |                  /-----Houching Duke Of Alamannia
|                 |                 |        |                  /-----Garibald II Of Bavaria, Duke Of Bavaria
|                 |                 |        |         /-----Theodon I Of Bavaria, Duke Of Bavaria
|                 |                 |        |        |         \-----Geila De FRIOUL
|                 |                 |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Bavaria
|                 |                 |                  \-----Gleisnod
|                 |         /-----Hnabi Duke Of Alamannia, Count In The Linzgau
|                  \-----Emma
|                           \-----Hersuinde
Aupals



Descendants of Aupals
1. Aupals m. Begue Count Of Paris
m. Begue Count Of Paris father: Girard Count Of Paris mother: Rotrude

2nd generation

2. Engeltron Of Paris m1. Udalrich Count of Argengau m2. Hunroch Count of Ternois
m. Udalrich Count of Argengau
m. Hunroch Count of Ternois
3. Laundrei Of Paris m. Donak I Count Of Melun
m. Donak I Count Of Melun
4. Susanna m. Wulfhard
m. Wulfhard father: Ulrich I Count In The Orgengau
5. Eberhard Count Of Paris m.

3rd generation

7. (Unk Dau) Of Friuli m. Gebhard Count In The Nieder-Lahngau
m. Gebhard Count In The Nieder-Lahngau father: Eudes Count Of Orleans mother: Engeltrude
8. Eberhard Margrave Of Friuli m. Gisele
m. Gisele father: Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West mother: Judith Of Bavaria
10. Ernst Markgraf In Nordgau m.
12. Girard Count Of Parthois And Chamserais m. Wandelgarde Of Troyes
m. Wandelgarde Of Troyes father: Aleran Count Of Troyes mother: (Unk Dau) Of Bavaria
16. Adalhard Count Of Paris m.

4th generation

19. Eudes Count In Lahngau m. Judith
m. Judith father: Conrad I Of Burgandy, Count Of Auxerra mother: Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
23. Judith Of Friaul m1. Conrad II Markgraf Of Burgundy, Count Of Auxerre m2. Adalbert The Illustrious Count In The Thurgau And The Scherragau
m. Conrad II Markgraf Of Burgundy, Count Of Auxerre
m. Adalbert The Illustrious Count In The Thurgau And The Scherragau father: Adalbert I Count Of Both Rhactias
28. Ingeltrud Of Friuli m. Heinrich Of Thuringia, King Of Austriasia
m. Heinrich Of Thuringia, King Of Austriasia father: Poppo I Count of Grabfeld
29. Unroch Margrave Of Friuli m. Ava
m. Ava father: Liutfried Duke
30. Berengar I King Of Italy m1. Bertila Of Spoleto m2. Anne
m. Bertila Of Spoleto father: Suppo Margrave Of Spoleto mother: Berta
m. Anne
31. Helwise Of Friuli m1. Walthar Count Of Leon m2. Hucbold Count Of Osrevant m3. Rotgarius Count Of Laon
m. Walthar Count Of Leon father: Adelheim Count Of Leon
m. Hucbold Count Of Osrevant
m. Rotgarius Count Of Laon father: Hugo
32. Liusindis Of Nordgau m. Carloman King Of Bavaria
m. Carloman King Of Bavaria father: Louis Le Germanique, King Of Bavaria mother: Emma Of Bavaria
33. Ernst II Count Of Sualafeld m.
34. (Unk Dau) m. Sieghard Count In Krachgau
m. Sieghard Count In Krachgau
38. Adelaide m. Louis II The Stammerer King Of France
m. Louis II The Stammerer King Of France father: Charles II The Bald King Of Franks, Emperor mother: Ermentrude Of Orleans

5th generation

39. Conrad The Old Count In Oberlahngau m. Glismunde Of Worms
m. Glismunde Of Worms father: Walahon Count Of Worms mother: Uta
40. Gebhard Duke Of Lorraine m. Ita
m. Ita
42. Eberhard I Count In Ortenau m. Wiltrud
m. Wiltrud father: Walaho mother: (Unk Dau)
44. Alagunde Of Burgundy m. Erenfried I Count Of Bliesgau And Charmois
m. Erenfried I Count Of Bliesgau And Charmois
45. Burkhard Count In Baer, Duke Of Swabia m. (Unk)
m. (Unk)
50. Hedwige/Hadui/Haduich m. Otto The Illustrious Duke Of Saxony
m. Otto The Illustrious Duke Of Saxony father: Ludolph Duke Of Saxony mother: Oda
51. Eberhard Count In The Salichgau m.
54. Gisele Of Friuli m. Adalbert The Rich Margrave Of Ivrea
m. Adalbert The Rich Margrave Of Ivrea father: Anchier Count Of Orcheret, Margrave Of Ivrea
55. Gui Count Of Senlis m. (Unk Dau)
m. (Unk Dau) father: Pepin Count Of Senlis, Peronne, & St. Quentin mother: (Unk Dau) Of Vermandois
56. Raol De Gouy, Count Of Ostrevant, Amiens, Val m. Hildegarde
m. Hildegarde father: Ermenfred Count Of Amiens
58. Rotgarius II Count Of Laon m.
59. Arnulph Emperor Of Germany m1. m2. Ellinrat m3. Oda Of Bavria
m. Ellinrat
m. Oda Of Bavria father: Theudon Count Of Bavaria
60. Liutpold Margrave Of The Carinthian Mark m. Kuningunde
m. Kuningunde father: Berhold Pfalzgraf Of Swabia
62. Sieghard I Count In Bavaria m. Ketini
m. Ketini
63. Ermentrude Of France m.
64. Irmgard m. Ranulf II Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine
m. Ranulf II Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine father: Ranulf I Count Of Poitou mother: Bilchilda Of Maine
65. Charles III The Simple King Of Franks m1. Frederuna m2. Edgiva m3.
m. Frederuna father: Dietrich Count in Westfalen mother: Ragenhilda
m. Edgiva father: Edward The Elder King Of England mother: Alfflaed