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• Name: Judith Of Flanders
• Sex: F
• Birth: Abt 1033 ^b
• Death: 5 Mar 1094 ^d
• Burial: Waingarten ^u


Parents:

• Father:
  
• Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders Birth: Abt 980 Death: 30 May 1035
Mother:

• Judith Of Normandy Birth: Abt 1010 Death: Abt 1071

Family:
Marriage:

• Tostig Earl Of Northumbria on Oct 1051 .^m1
  
• Tostig Earl Of Northumbria Birth: Abt 1026 Death: 25 Sep 1066 in Stamford Bridge

Children:

1. Skule
2. Ketel

Marriage:

• Welf IV Duke Of Bavaria on 1070 .^m2
  
• Welf IV Duke Of Bavaria Birth: 1037 Death: 9 Nov 1101 in Cypress

Children:

1. Adelheid Of Bavaria
2. Kunizza Death: 6 Mar 1120
3. Welf V Duke Of Bavaria Birth: Abt 1073 Death: 24 Sep 1120 in Kaufering
4. Henry IX The Black Duke Of Bavaria Birth: 1074 Death: 13 Dec 1126 in Ravensburg

Bibliography

Sources for birth and parent Information

date:

(1033) [Ref: ES I #58]

1030x1036 [Ref: HenryII judit000 10/11/2002]

abt 1033 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p9, Moriarty Plantagenet p167],

parents:

[Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p9, HenryII baldw004 6/2/2008, Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/12/2002-000336, Weis AR7 #166]

Baldwin Count of Flanders & dau Richard II [Ref: HenryII judit000 10/11/2002, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p486]

Baldwin IV & (N v Normandie T v Richard II) [Ref: ES I.1 #18 (before corr in I.2)],

father:

[Ref: CP IX p703, ES I #58, ES II #79, Moriarty Plantagenet p167, Paget HRHCharles p222, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p271, Watney WALLOP #408, Watney WALLOP #65],

name:

also called Fausta [Ref: CP IX p703]

Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information

date:

posthumous 1028 [Ref: ES I.1 #18 (with corr in I.2), ES II #79],

father:

Richard III Hz v Normandie (#10882) [Ref: ES I.1 #18 (with corr in I.2)],

mother:

Adelaide of France (#10959) [Ref: ES II #79]

Ogive of Luxemburg (#10961) [Ref: Redlich CharlemagneDesc p271]

Otgiva of Luxembourg (#10961) [Ref: Watney WALLOP #408]

Sources for death Information

date:

[Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p9, ES I #58, ES I.1 #18 (with corr in I.2), ES II #79, HenryII baldw004 6/2/2008, HenryII judit000 10/11/2002, Moriarty Plantagenet p167, Paget HRHCharles p222]

4 Mar 1094 [Ref: Redlich CharlemagneDesc p271, Weis AR7 #166]

Sources for burial Information

place:

[Ref: ES I #58, Moriarty Plantagenet p167]

Sources with Information about marriage to Tostig Earl Of Northumbria

date:

[Ref: Weir RoyalFam p35]

1051 (or perhaps a bit earlier) [Ref: HenryII judit000 10/11/2002]

first marriage of Judith [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p9, ES I #58, ES I.1 #18 (before corr in I.2), HenryII baldw004 6/2/2008, Paget HRHCharles p222, Weis AR7 #166]

um 1045/47 [Ref: ES II #79],

names:

[Ref: CP IX p703, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p496],

child:

[Ref: Weir RoyalFam p35]

Sources with Information about marriage to Welf IV Duke Of Bavaria

date:

[Ref: ES I.1 #18 (with corr in I.2), ES II #79]

1071 [Ref: ES I #58, Paget HRHCharles p222, Weis AR7 #166]

abt 1071 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p9, Moriarty Plantagenet p167, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p271]

second marriage of Judith [Ref: HenryII baldw004 6/2/2008, HenryII judit000 10/11/2002],

names:

[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p496, Watney WALLOP #408],

child:

[Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p9, ES I #58, ES I.1 #18, Moriarty Plantagenet p167, Paget HRHCharles p222, Paget HRHCharles p223, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p271, Watney WALLOP #65, Weis AR7 #166]

Sources with Inaccurate marriage information

child:

Ita of Cham (#14323), wife of Leopold II Margrave of Austria [Ref: Watney WALLOP #35, Watney WALLOP #65]

Research Notes:
This {her parentage} is discussed in Freeman's History of the Norman Conquest of England, vol. 3, pp. 663-5, where he concludes that Judith was the daughter of Baldwin IV by a daughter of Richard II of Normandy. The principle primary sources cited (among other, later ones) are the nearly contemporary Vita Edwardi (a life of Edward the Confessor), which states that she was a sister of Baldwin V of Flanders and a "niece" ("... neptem ...") of Edward (the word "niece" being explained away as "daughter of a fist cousin", Edward's mother being Emma of Normandy); Florence of Worcester, who under the year 1051 calls her a daughter of Baldwin, count of Flanders; Orderic Vitalis, who twice refers to her as a sister of Matilda of Flanders and daughter of Baldwin V (not IV, but he is otherwise confused on his genealogy here), followed in this by some later writers; and the "Saxon annalist", who calls Judith an aunt of count Robert of Flanders (son of Baldwin V) and a relative of king Ethmund (presumably meaning Edward the Confessor), but this annalist errs in making Judith the wife of Harold rather than Tostig. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 5/17/2000]

One of the problems in analyzing the evidence for the parentage of Judith (successively wife of Tostig of Northumbria and Welf of Bavaria, and ancestor of many important figures of European history through her second marriage) is that we did not know the underlying reasons for the one theory that she was a daughter of Richard III of Normandy. Following the trail of bibliographic citations had led us back to the following two articles by Hansmartin Decker-Hauff: Zur alteren Geschichte der Welfen, in Weingarten, Festschrift zur 900-Jahr-Feier des Klosters (1956), 31-48.
Judith von der Normandie, in Schwabische Lebensbilder 6 (1957), 16-27.
Courtesy of James Hansen, FASG, I now have copies of both of these articles by Decker-Hauff, and, as one might guess from the subject line of this posting, I did not find the arguments convincing. Of these two articles, the second is simply a biography of Judith, with her parentage presented as proven from the previous article, and no new evidence. Thus, the first of these articles is the only one which is really relevant in discussing the evidence for Judith's parentage. Before outlining Decker-Hauff's arguments, it will be useful to state the three main theories regarding Judith's parentage:
The Baldwin IV Theory: Judith was a daughter of count Baldwin IV of Flanders by his second wife, a daughter of Richard II of Normandy. This would make her a half-sister to Baldwin V, and an aunt of Matilda of Flanders, wife of William the Conqueror. This is the theory that was proposed by Freeman, and has generally been the most widely accepted one. [Note: It is not reasonable to make Judith a daughter of Baldwin IV by his first wife Otgiva of Luxemburg, because that would make Judith a first cousin once removed of her second husband Welf of Bavaria, who was a grandson of Imiza, Otgiva's sister.]

The Baldwin V Theory: Judith was a daughter of count Baldwin V of Flanders by his wife Adele/Adelaide, daughter of Robert II of France. This would make her a full sister of Matilda of Flanders.
The Richard III Theory (Decker-Hauff's Theory): Judith was a daughter of duke Richard III of Normandy by Adele/Adelaide, daughter of Robert II of France. This would make her a half-sister of Matilda of Flanders through her mother. This theory has been accepted in some (mainly German) sources (including ES, which has given it wider circulation).
For a previous discussion of the question of Judith's parentage, along with some bibliographic references and some quotes from the primary sources, see my two part posting from 23 February of this year which had the following subject lines (x=1,2): "Judith (of Flanders?) m. (1) Tostig (2) Welf (part x of 2)"
Decker-Hauff's arguments
Despite the title of the article, most of the article is devoted to the case of Judith's parentage. Decker-Hauff starts off by stating the Baldwin IV and Baldwin V Theories and citing some of the previous literature. For convenient reference, I will number some of Decker-Hauff's main points, followed by my own comments.
1. He points out that the Baldwin V Theory has the problem that it would make Welf and Judith second cousins (both great-grandchildren of Frederick of Luxemburg).
Comment: A clear strike against the Baldwin V Theory (although not a conclusive one), which I do not recall seeing mentioned before. The problem does not affect either the Baldwin IV Theory or the Richard III Theory, neither of which give Judith the Luxemburg descent.
2. He points out that the Flemish genealogical sources (Flandria Generosa, etc.) do not mention Judith.
Comment: If this point would be a valid argument that Judith was not a member of the Flemish dynasty, then the fact that eleventh century Norman sources do not name Judith as a daughter of Richard III would have to be considered an equally valid argument against the Richard III Theory. (The fact that Decker-Hauff has not yet mentioned the Richard III Theory at this point in the article provides him with a convenient excuse for not mentioning this.)
3. (The onomastic argument) After mentioning Judith's description as "regina Angliae" in some German sources (to which he later returns: see point number 7 below), Decker-Hauff mentions the onomastic problem of where Judith's name came from. It is at this point that he first mentions the Richard III Theory, stating that the possibility that Judith was only a stepdaughter of Baldwin V had been briefly brought up by Ernst Klebel in 1955 [Ernst Klebel, Alemannischer Hochadel im Investiturstreit, in Grundfragen der Alemannischen Geschichte, Vortrage und Forschungen, hgg. v. Insitut f. gesch. Landesforschung des Bodengebiets in Konstanz, gel. von Theodor Mayer, (Lindau und Konstanz, 1955), 234ff.], but had then been abandoned by Klebel in favor of the Baldwin V Theory. Decker-Hauff pointed out that this theory would make our Judith a graddaughter of Judith of Brittany (wife of Richard II), and would therefore explain her name as well as the Baldwin IV Theory (which also makes our Judith a granddaughter of Richard II and his wife Judith).
Comment: This onomastic argument is a plus for either the Baldwin IV Theory or the Richard III Theory. However, it cannot be regarded as a major minus for the Baldwin V Theory, because Baldwin V was a descendant of the famous (but more remote) Judith of France, wife of Baldwin I, which dilutes (but does not entirely eliminate) the strength of this onomastic point.
4. Decker-Hauff then makes a statement challenging the second marriage of Baldwin IV to a Norman princess, on which the Baldwin IV Theory depends. The sentence in question is quoted here in full:
"Es muss allerdings zugegeben werden, dass die zweite Ehe zwischen Graf Balduin IV. von Flandern und der normannischen Prinzessin, die allein diese Namensableitung plausibel machen wurde, nicht so unbedingt feststeht, sondern erst im 19. Jahrhundert in England als Arbeitshypothese in die Forschung eingefuhrt wurde, wahrend sie neuerdings von Marcel Prevost mit Stillschweigen ubergangen wird." [My rough translation: It must certainly be admitted, that the second marriage between count Balduin IV of Flanders and the Norman princess, which alone would make this name derivation plausible, is not so unconditionally certain, but was first introduced in the nineteenth century in England as a working hypothesis in the research, while it has recently been passed over in silence by Marcel Prevost.] (A footnote shows that the reference to Marcel Prevost refers to Dictionnaire de Biographie Francaise.)
No other argument is given for rejecting this marriage, and from this point on, the Baldwin IV Theory is evidently regarded by the author as having been conclusively disproven! The remainder of the article discusses the relative merits of the Baldwin V and Richard III theories.
Comment: The problem is that the statement of the sentence is completely false. It is simply not true that the marriage was first introduced as a "working hypothesis" ("Arbeitshypothese") in the nineteenth century. In fact, the marriage is given by Guillaume de Jumieges, writing in the eleventh century only forty or so years after the reported marriage, so even though there is no independent confirmation of the marriage, it is based on a source written within living memory. Gullaume's statement was certainly not overlooked by others. Anselme would be a secondary source well before the nineteenth century who followed Guillaume de Jumieges on this matter (to give one example).
Obviously, this is a major blunder by Decker-Hauff (and it makes me wonder if Decker-Hauff was confusing this marriage with the less well documented marriage of point 5 when he made this statement). Such a marriage reported in an early source should not be dismissed without significant discussion. Since this casual dismissal of the marriage resulted in the Baldwin IV Theory being removed from consideration without reasonable cause, I will briefly comment on how each of Decker-Hauff's remaining points affects the Baldwin IV Theory.
5. Decker-Hauff then states as apparently undisputed fact that Adelaide of France, wife of Baldwin V of Flanders and mother of Matilda of Flanders, had been previously married to Richard III of Normandy. Only secondary sources are given for this statement.
Comments: This supposed marriage, which is absolutely crucial to the Richard III Theory, is in fact poorly documented, and quite possibly false. The only source for Richard's wife Adela is his marriage contract with her (1026), which does not give her parentage. From the wording of the document (she is called "Domina Adela" and "juxta nobilitatis tuae lineam dotata"), it has been suggested that she was a daughter of the king of France, and therefore the same person as the later wife of Baldwin V, and that appears to be the entire case for identifying Richard's wife with the wife of Baldwin V! [See Freeman's History of the Norman Conquest of England vol. 3, 657-8, which support's this interpretation.]

I have not investigated the history of the suggestion that Richard III's wife was the same as the French princess who married Baldwin V, but the problematic documentation for this crucial marriage (if there was such a marriage) should have been discussed in detail by Decker-Hauff, since his case disappears without it. (On the other hand, if the marriage of point 5 is valid, it does not undermine either the Baldwin IV Theory or the Baldwin V Theory.)
6. Decker-Hauff points out the chronological problem between the date 1051 for the marriage of Tostig and Judith, and the two (alleged) sons of Tostig who were old enough to fight at Stamford Bridge in 1066, suggesting that the marriage took place earlier, say about 1047.
Comment: Decker-Hauff does not cite a source for the two sons, but I assume that he is referring to the ones appearing in some Norse sources. If these Norse sources are correct in assigning Tostig these two sons (and I would not regard that as certain), then there is no guarantee that they were Judith's (as opposed to sons by an earlier unkown wife).
7. Decker-Hauff then returned to a point which he had mentioned earlier, that Judith is referred to as "regina Angliae" in some German sources. He suggests that this is best explained by Judith being an agnatic relative of William the Conqueror.
Comment: This seems rather absurd to me. Some of the German sources call Judith a wife of king Harold II of England, thereby clearly confusing Tostig with his brother Harold. It seems clear that this confusion of Tostig and Harold is the underlying basis of the false attribution of Judith as "regina Angliae", and not Decker-Hauff's strange suggestion.
8. Decker-Hauff points out the passage in Annalista Saxo in which Judith is referred to as "ex cognatione beati Ethmundi regis", and points out that in the Richard III Theory, such a relationship could be easily explained by the marriage of Emma of Normandy with Aethelred the Unready, while it is difficult to find such an explanation in the Baldwin V Theory.
Comment: The explanation also fits the Baldwin IV Theory just as well as it does the Richard III Theory. Also, Annalista Saxo calls Judith "amita" ("aunt", "father's sister" in classical Latin) of Robert "the Frisian", thus directly supporting the Baldwin IV Theory if the usual meaning of "amita" is used. (This point is buried by Decker-Hauff in a footnote with the comment "'Amita' ist ungenau." "Ungenau" means inexact or vague.)
These are the basic arguments given by Decker-Hauff. By summarily dismissing the Baldwin IV Theory without reasonable cause, and then undermining the weaker Baldwin V Theory, Decker-Hauff made the Richard III Theory look stronger than it was. With the exception of his attempt to set aside the second marriage of Baldwin IV to a Norman princess (for which no reasonable argument was offered, and a blatantly false statement was given in the attempt to undermine), every piece of evidence offered in support of the Richard III Theory is just as strong in favor of the Baldwin IV Theory (although some of his arguments did successfully undermine the Baldwin V Theory).
The evidence against the Richard III Theory is considerable. Not only does every early source which gives a statement about Judith's origin make her a daughter of a count of Flanders (although disagreeing which one), the earliest source (Edward the Confessor's biography) makes her a sister of Baldwin V, directly supporting the Baldwin IV Theory.
Thus, in my opinion, Decker-Hauff does not give a reasonable case, and the evidence that we do have clearly favors the argument of Freeman (followed by many others who agreed with him) that Judith's parents were Baldwin IV of Flanders and a daughter (name uncertain) of Richard II of Normandy.
It should be mentioned that the questions about the two marriages raised in points 4 and 5 are both of significant interest in their own right in addition to being closely tied to the current matter. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/12/2002-000336]

The case for making Judith a daughter of count Baldwin IV of Flanders by his second (Norman) wife was first set out by Freeman, a conclusion that has gained wide acceptance. .. Because of the circulation among some sources of a more recent (but ultimately unsatisfactory) theory that Judith was a daughter of Richard III of Normandy, the evidence is set out [here] in some detail [Ref: HenryII judit000 10/11/2002]



Pedigree of Judith Of Flanders
                                                                /-----Engelram Count Of Harlebec
                                                       /-----Odoacre Count Of Harlebec
                                                      |         \-----Friderada
                                              /-----Baldwin I Bras De Fer Count Of Flanders
                                     /-----Baldwin II The Bald Count Of Flanders
                                    |        |                  /-----Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
                                    |        |         /-----Charles II The Bald King Of Franks, Emperor
                                    |        |        |         \-----Judith Of Bavaria
                                    |         \-----Judith
                                    |                 |         /-----Eudes Count Of Orleans
                                    |                  \-----Ermentrude Of Orleans
                                    |                           \-----Engeltrude
                            /-----Arnold I The Old Count Of Flanders
                           |        |                           /-----Egbert The Great King Of England
                           |        |                  /-----Ethelwolf King Of England
                           |        |                 |         \-----Raedburh
                           |        |         /-----Alfred The Great King Of England
                           |        |        |        |         /-----Oslac Great Butler Of England
                           |        |        |         \-----Osburh
                           |         \-----Alfthryth Of England
                           |                 |         /-----Aethelred Earl Of Mercia
                           |                  \-----Ealhswith
                           |                          |         /-----Wigmund
                           |                           \-----Eadburgh Of Mercia
                   /-----Baldwin III Count Of Flanders
                  |        |                                    /-----Bernard King Of Italy
                  |        |                           /-----Pepin Count Of Senlis, Peronne, & St. Quentin
                  |        |                          |         \-----Cunigunde
                  |        |                  /-----Herbert I Count Of Vermandois
                  |        |                 |        |         /-----Theoderic Count Of Vermandois
                  |        |                 |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Vermandois
                  |        |         /-----Herbert II Count Of Vermandois
                  |        |        |        |         /-----Guerra I Count Of Morvois
                  |        |        |         \-----Beatrice Of Morvois
                  |        |        |                  \-----Eve Of Roussillon
                  |         \-----Alix De Vermandois
                  |                 |                           /-----Guiguin Rupert III Count In Wormgau
                  |                 |                  /-----Rupert IV The Strong Count Of Tours
                  |                 |                 |         \-----Wialdruth
                  |                 |         /-----Robert I King Of France
                  |                 |        |        |         /-----Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
                  |                 |        |         \-----Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
                  |                 |        |                  \-----Ava
                  |                  \-----Hildebrante/Liegarde/Adela
                  |                           \-----Aelis
          /-----Arnold II The Young Count Of Flanders
         |        |                  /-----Billung Count In Saxony
         |        |         /-----Hermann Billung Duke Of Saxony
         |        |        |         \-----Fraderuna
         |         \-----Matilda Of Saxony
         |                  \-----Hildegarde Of Westerbourg
 /-----Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders
|        |                                    /-----Amadeus Count In Payn De Langres
|        |                           /-----Anchier Count Of Orcheret, Margrave Of Ivrea
|        |                  /-----Adalbert The Rich Margrave Of Ivrea
|        |         /-----Berengar II King Of Italy
|        |        |        |                           /-----Hunroch Count of Ternois
|        |        |        |                  /-----Eberhard Margrave Of Friuli
|        |        |        |                 |        |         /-----Begue Count Of Paris
|        |        |        |                 |         \-----Engeltron Of Paris
|        |        |        |                 |                  \-----Aupals
|        |        |        |         /-----Berengar I King Of Italy
|        |        |        |        |        |                  /-----Charlemagne King Of France
|        |        |        |        |        |         /-----Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
|        |        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
|        |        |        |        |         \-----Gisele
|        |        |        |        |                 |         /-----Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
|        |        |        |        |                  \-----Judith Of Bavaria
|        |        |        |        |                           \-----Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
|        |        |         \-----Gisele Of Friuli
|        |        |                 |                  /-----Maurin PFALZGRAF
|        |        |                 |         /-----Suppo Margrave Of Spoleto
|        |        |                  \-----Bertila Of Spoleto
|        |        |                          |         /-----Wilfred Count
|        |        |                           \-----Berta
|         \-----Rosela Of Italy
|                 |                                             /-----Boso II Count Of Arles And Tuscany
|                 |                                    /-----Boso III The Old Count Of Arles And Tuscany
|                 |                           /-----Herbert Marquis Of Transjurian Burgundy
|                 |                  /-----Theobald Count Of Aries
|                 |         /-----Boso Count Of Aries
|                 |        |        |                           /-----Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
|                 |        |        |                  /-----Lothair I King Of Italy, Emperor Of The West
|                 |        |        |                 |         \-----Ermengarde Of Haspengau
|                 |        |        |         /-----Lothair II The Saxon King Of Lorraine
|                 |        |        |        |        |         /-----Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
|                 |        |        |        |         \-----Ermengarde Of Tours
|                 |        |        |        |                  \-----Ava
|                 |        |         \-----Bertha Of Lorraine
|                 |        |                  \-----Waldrada
|                  \-----Willa Of Aries
|                          |                                    /-----Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
|                          |                           /-----Conrad I Of Burgandy, Count Of Auxerra
|                          |                          |         \-----Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
|                          |                  /-----Conrad II Duke Of Transjurand Burgandy
|                          |                 |        |         /-----Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
|                          |                 |         \-----Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
|                          |                 |                  \-----Ava
|                          |         /-----Rudolph I King Of Upper Burgundy
|                          |        |         \-----Walrada
|                           \-----Willa Of Tuscany
|                                   |                           /-----Richard Count Of Amiens
|                                   |                  /-----Budwine Count Of Metz
|                                   |         /-----Boso Of Vienne, King Of Provence
|                                   |        |        |         /-----Boso III The Old Count Of Arles And Tuscany
|                                   |        |         \-----Richilda
|                                    \-----Wille
Judith Of Flanders
|                                             /-----Ketil
|                                    /-----Hrolfr (Rollo) Duke Of Normandy
|                           /-----William Longspee Duke Of Normandy
|                          |        |         /-----Berenger Count Of Bayeux
|                          |         \-----Poppa
|                          |                 |         /-----Gurivant Count Of Rennes
|                          |                  \-----(Unk Dau)
|                          |                          |         /-----Erispoe Duke Of Brittany
|                          |                           \-----(Unk Dau) Heiress Of Brittany
|                  /-----Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
|                 |         \-----Espriota
|         /-----Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy
|        |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
|        |         \-----Gunnora
 \-----Judith Of Normandy
         |                                             /-----Riroreth Count Of Nantes
         |                                    /-----Adam I The Great Count Of Nantes And Vannes, Duke Of Brit
         |                           /-----Paskurtan Count Of Rennes
         |                          |         \-----Oreguen
         |                  /-----Judhael Count Of Rennes
         |                 |        |                  /-----Gurivant Count Of Rennes
         |                 |        |         /-----Berenger Count Of Rennes
         |                 |        |        |        |         /-----Erispoe Duke Of Brittany
         |                 |        |        |         \-----(Unk Dau) Heiress Of Brittany
         |                 |         \-----(Unk Dau) Heiress Of Rennes
         |         /-----Conan I Duke Of Brittany
         |        |         \-----Gerberge
          \-----Judith Of Brittany
                  |                                             /-----Tertellus Senmarchal Of The Gatinais
                  |                                    /-----Ingelger Count Of Anjou
                  |                                   |         \-----Petronel
                  |                           /-----Fulk Le Roux Count Of Anjou
                  |                          |        |         /-----Geoffrey Count Of The Gatinais
                  |                          |         \-----Adela Of The Gatinais
                  |                          |                  \-----(Unk)
                  |                  /-----Fulk II The Good Count Of Anjou
                  |                 |        |                  /-----Adalard Seigneur De Loches, Lahaye, Villentrois
                  |                 |        |         /-----Werner Seigneur De Locher Villandry And La Stai
                  |                 |         \-----Roscilla
                  |                 |                  \-----Forcanda
                  |         /-----Geoffrey I Grisgonelle Count Of Anjou
                  |        |        |                           /-----Gausfred Count Of Maine
                  |        |        |                  /-----Gausfred
                  |        |        |                 |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Orleans
                  |        |        |         /-----Gausfred Count Of Nevers
                  |        |         \-----Gerberga Of Nevers
                  |        |                 |         /-----Hector Noble Of Arverne
                  |        |                  \-----Aba
                  |        |                          |         /-----Bernard Plantevalus Count Of Autun, Marquis Of Toulouse
                  |        |                           \-----Aba Abbess Of Sauxillanges
                  |        |                                    \-----Ermengard
                   \-----Ermengarde Of Anjou
                           |                                    /-----Pepin Count Of Senlis, Peronne, & St. Quentin
                           |                           /-----Herbert I Count Of Vermandois
                           |                          |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Vermandois
                           |                  /-----Herbert II Count Of Vermandois
                           |                 |        |         /-----Guerra I Count Of Morvois
                           |                 |         \-----Beatrice Of Morvois
                           |                 |                  \-----Eve Of Roussillon
                           |         /-----Robert Count Of Troyes
                           |        |        |                  /-----Rupert IV The Strong Count Of Tours
                           |        |        |         /-----Robert I King Of France
                           |        |        |        |         \-----Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
                           |        |         \-----Hildebrante/Liegarde/Adela
                           |        |                  \-----Aelis
                            \-----Adele Of Troyes
                                    |                           /-----Thierry II Count In The Chamois
                                    |                  /-----Manasses I Count Of Vergy, Duxin, And Chalons
                                    |                 |         \-----(Unk Dau)
                                    |         /-----Giselbert Duke Of Burgandy
                                    |        |        |         /-----Boso Of Vienne, King Of Provence
                                    |        |         \-----Ermengarde
                                     \-----Adelaide Of Burgundy
                                              \-----Ermengarde Of Burgandy



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