Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Hermann II Duke Of Swabia Death: Abt 3 May 1003
- Conrad III Of Swabia, Count Of Ortenau Death: Abt 1005
- (Unk Dau) Of Ohningen Death: After 14 Aug 1018
- Ita Von Ohningen Death: 16 Oct Abt 1020
- Kunizza Death: 1020
- Luitold
- Kunigunde
- Judith Birth: Abt 975
Death: After 1032
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- date:
- abt 920 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6, Moriarty Plantagenet p94],
- parents:
- Udo Count in the Wetterau & dau Herbert Count of Vermandois [Ref:
Brandenburg 1995 p6, ES I #11, Moriarty Plantagenet p23],
- father:
- dotted line to Odo Count Wetterau [Ref: Settipani Conradiens
p149-Hlawitschka],
- brother:
- Gebhard (c920-938) (#90211) [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6]
- Heribert Count, Udo d.982 [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/8/2002-204050]
- Odo Duke of Alsace, Heribert Count of Kinzigau [Ref: Settipani
Conradiens p149],
- sister:
- Judith wife of Henry Count of Stade [Ref: Settipani Conradiens p139,
Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/8/2002-204050],
- uncle:
- Hermann I Duke of Swabia (926-949) [Ref: Tapsell Dynasties p224]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
- parents:
- Konrad Count in the Ortenau (#164334) & (Judith) (#164335) [Ref: ES
I.1 #8]
- Konrad Count in the Ortenau (#164334) & Judith (#164335) [Ref:
Brandenburg 1995 p92],
- father:
- Conrad I Duke of Alsace (#164334) [Ref: Settipani Conradiens
p149-Jackman]
- Konrad Count in the Ortenau (#164334) [Ref: Jackman Konradiner #1]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6, ES I #11]
- 20 Jul 997 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p94]
- 997 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p92, Jackman Konradiner #1, Moriarty
Plantagenet p23, Tapsell Dynasties p224, Weis AR7 #167]
Sources with Information about marriage to Judith Of Marchtal
- names:
- [Ref: Glocker Otto p314, Settipani Conradiens p144],
- child:
- [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p123, ES I #11, Moriarty Plantagenet p94, Weis
AR7 #167]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
- names:
- Conrad Duke of Swabia & Reginlint dau of (Duke Liudolf of Swabia) [Ref:
ES I.1 #9]
- Conrad Duke of Swabia & Richlint (Ottonin) [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p92]
- Konrad Duke of Swabia & Richlint [Ref: Jackman Konradiner #3]
- Konrad Duke of Swabia & Richlint dau of Liudolf Duke of Swabia and Ita
[Ref: Jackman Konradiner #1]
- Kuno Count of Ohningen & Richilde nat dau of Otto I the Great [Ref:
Moriarty Plantagenet p53, Moriarty Plantagenet p87, Paget HRHCharles p222,
Weis AR7 #241]
Research Notes:
Duke of Swabia [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p123, Brandenburg 1995 p6, ES I.1 #8,
Jackman Konradiner #1, Moriarty Plantagenet p23, Settipani Conradiens p149,
Tapsell Dynasties p224, Weis AR7 #167]
Count in Rheingau [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6, ES I.1 #8, Moriarty Plantagenet
p23, Weis AR7 #167]
Count in Ufgau [Ref: ES I.1 #8, Jackman Konradiner p9]
Count in the Ortenau [Ref: ES I.1 #8, Jackman Konradiner p9]
son of a brother of Hermann I Duke of Swabia (926-949) [Ref: Tapsell Dynasties
p224]
since the pioneering study of K. Schmid on the identity of Cuno of Ohningen,
it is allowed in general (though for sometimes divergent reasons) that he is
identical to Conrad Duke of Swabia (d.997) [Ref: Settipani Conradiens p148]
[on the identity of the wife of Konrad] In 1980 the legal historian Armin Wolf
clarified the medieval German monarchy as a hereditary institution. The case
was made by showing that candidates in the royal succession dispute of 1002
were descendants of previous German kings - that they traced their descent in
one way or another from King Heinrich I (reigned 919-36) and laid claim to the
throne based on descent. The 'heritabilithy thesis' flew in the face of
current opinion, which saw in the dispute of 1002 a step away from hereditary
conceptions towards a principle of 'free election' [WTM: Jackman's
reconstruction (followed by ES I.1 #8-9, possibly following Wolf, not sure)
has Hermann II son of Konrad Duke of Swabia & Richlint; Richlint an unknown
daughter of Liudolf Duke of Swabia; Liudolf son of Otto I the Great, son of
Henry the Fowler. The previous emperor was Otto III, son of Otto II son of
Otto I The Great] [Ref: Jackman Konradiner p5]
only certain exception to the dispute of 1002 being based on the heritability
thesis is Ekkehard of Meissen, descended from King Heinrich's brother [WTM:
Glocker's dissertation also has Hermann II descended from a brother of Henry
the Fowler - Liudolf -> Wendilgard -> NNw -> Judith = Konrad] [Ref: Jackman
Konradiner p5(1)]
[Jackman's...] argument is lengthy, but the upshot is that he identifies
Heribert's brother Duke Konrad with the second Cuno (son of Cuno, son of
Gebhard) in the Hammerstein genealogical notice, and also with the Kuno of
Ohningen who is stated in Genealogia Welforum [MGH SS 13, 734] and Historia
Welforum Weingartensis [MGH SS 21, 460] as the father of Ita, wife of count
Rudolf of Linzgau of the "first" house of Welf. While it seems reasonable to
accept Jackman's identification of Cuno son of Gebhard in the Hammerstein
genealogical notice with the "Chuonradus, filius Gebehardi" who appears in
Regino's Continuator under the year 950 [MGH SS 1, 620], I do not see that the
other identifications have been backed up with sufficient evidence. In
addition to the lack of sufficient supporting evidence, I noticed a piece of
negative evidence that is not mentioned in the pages of Jackman that I copied.
... If Jackman is correct, it would mean that Rudolf's son Welf married a
second cousin, well within the prohibited degrees at that time:
____________________
| |
Konrad of Swabia Heribert
(same as Kuno of |
Ohningen according |
to Jackman} |
| NN m.
Ita Frederick of
m. Rudolf Luxemburg
| |
Welf--------m--------Imiza [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/8/2002-204050]
All of the data included in these texts (Genealogia Welforum (c.1125) and
Historia Welforum (c.1165)) are not necessarily reliable. Studies by G.Althoff
showed the political reasons which guided the fitting of the material relating
to the Welf family. The opposition between the North and South germans, as for
the claims of Welfs in particular concerning the succession of Stade, would
hae led to falsifications in order to justify or to dispute the rights of
Welfs on these regions. [Ref: Settipani Conradiens p139]
949: Count in Rheingau [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6]
982: Duke of Swabia [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p6]
983: Count, place not specified [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
985 and 995: Count in Rheingau [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
987: Count in Ufgau [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
994: Count in the Ortenau [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
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Europaische Stammtafeln I.1 #8 ("Die Konradiner, 911-918 Konig von
Ostfranken"):
Konrad 983 Gf, 985 u 995 Gf im Rheingau, 987 Gf im Ufgau, 994 Gf in der
Ortenau -- Konrad Hz v Schwaben (Kuno von Ohningen) d. 997 [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
Europaische Stammtafeln I.1 #9 ("Die Herzoge von Schwaben a.d.H. der
Konradiner"):
Konrad (Kuno Graf von Ohningen") 983 Herzog von Schwaben (dux Alemanine et
Alsatiae) d. 20.VIII 997; m. Reginlint T v (Hz Liudolf v Schwaben a.d.H. der
Liudolfinger (Ottonen)) [Ref: ES I.1 #9]
Richard Borthwick, on 10/6/1998, posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL:
The following are some of the key relevant works. I give them in debating
(and chronological) order. Actually, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Between the publication of [5] and [6] the debate got very heated (to put it
mildly). [6] gives the literature for this interval. Anyway, what I list
below is what I myself have read in detail. [6] answers (successfully in my
view) the critics of [5] but goes beyond [5] in the range of genealogical and
historical issues discussed.
[1] Karl Schmidt "Probleme um den 'Grafen Kuno von Oehningen' in *Dorf und
Stift Oehningen* (1966) edited by Herbert Berner, pp.43-93.
[2] Armin Wolf "Were war Kuno von 'Oehningen'?" in *Deutches Archiv*, 1980
vol.36, pp.25-81.
[3] Eduard Hlawitschka "Wer waren Kuno und Richlind von Oehningen? Kritische
Ueberlegungen zu einen neuen Identifitzierungsvorschlag" pp.1-49 in
*Zeitschrift fur die Geschichte des Oberrheins* vol.128, 1980.
[4] Eduard Hlawitschka "Die Thronkandidaturen von 1002 und 1024: Gruendeten
sie im Verwandtenanspruch oder in Vorstellungen von freier Wahl?" in *Reich
und Kirche vor dem Inventiturstreit*(Sigmaringen: Jan Thorbecke, 1985) edited
by Karl Schmidt, pp.49-64.
[5] Donald C Jackman *The Konradiner: A Study in Genealogical Methodology*
(Vittorio Klostermann: Frankfurt am Main, 1990).
[6] Donald C Jackman *Criticism and Critique: Sidelights on the Konradiner
(Prosopographica et Genealogica: Oxford, 1997).
The idea that Konrad (d.997) is identical with Kuno von Oehningen has been
around for some time. The sticking points have been: (a) the difficulty in
interpreting the *Historia Welforum* and the *Genealogia Welforum* which are
the only sources (apart from a spurious charter founding the collegiate church
at Oehningen) for the pair Kuno (a hypochorism of Konrad) and Richlint. She is
claimed to be a daughter of emperor Otto I and yet there is no other evidence
of an imperial daughter of that name. (b) A person called Judith is the
attested wife of a duke Konrad (usually taken to be Konrad duke of Swabia).
(c) that despite (a) and (b) all the evidence suggests that either Kuno never
existed (which does not seem plausible - why invent him?) or he is identical
with duke Konrad of Swabia. (d) the debate about the extent to which ducal
and comital rights were heritable. Quite a bit turns on this for the Jackman
reconstruction of the Konradiner genealogy (the main elements of which have
been adopted by ES I.1). But Hlawitschka and others have contested any such
heritability. (e) that no marriage could be admitted that was within the
degrees 3:4 following the canonical rules. Jackman shows that customary law
permitted 3:3 marriages and that the Church reluctantly aquiesced.
Wolf [2] bit the bullet and presented an elaborate argument which made the
identification. Judth gets ditched and Richlint is identified as a
granddaughter of Otto I (daughter of Liudolf). Hlawitschka's reply [3]
suggested that this could not work but in [4] he too accepted the
identification of Kuno and Konrad but ditched Richlint. Jackman [5] shows that
there are two Konrads both dukes (one of Alsace and the second of Swabia &
Alsace). Judith is identified as wife of Konrad (I) duke of Alsace and
Richlint that of Konrad (II) duke of Swabia. On the reality of Richlint see
especially [6] ch.II. Jackman's discussion of the sources in [5] ch.II is
fascinating and instructive. I would suggest that [6] really does require some
familiarity with [5] - the methodology is crucial. Both are in print.
In [6] in a discussion of succession rights to the Holy Forest (sounds like
something out of germanic mythology!) Jackman revises his view in [5] that
Kunigunde von Oehningen m. Friedrich von Diessen and sees her as an inferable
ancestor of the Staufer (marrying Friedrich count palatine of Swabia (d.1030).
Also he in [5] makes (contrary to ES I.1) Konrad count in the Ortenau ancestor
of the counts of Rheinfelden rather than his sister Judith (who is identified
with the wife of Adalbert count of Metz). [Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM
10/6/1998]
I was hoping that someone with rather more expertise on the vexed subjects of
the identity of Kuno von Oehningen and that of his wife Richlint might put
finger to keyboard. I know of no scholarly discussion of this subject in
English, but it has received substantial treatment in German. The substantial
articles and essays are:
Karl Schmidt "Probleme um den 'Grafen Kuno von Oehningen' in *Dorf und Stift
Oehningen* (1966) edited by Herbert Berner, pp.43-93. Armin Wolf "Were war
Kuno von 'Oehningen'?" in *Deutches Archiv*, 1980 vol.36, pp.25-81.
Eduard Hlawitschka "Wer waren Kuno und Richlind von Oehningen? Kritische
Ueberlegungen zu einen neuen Identifitzierungsvorschlag" pp.1-49 [of a journal
whose title etc I have unfortunately lost]
Eduard Hlawitschka "Die Thronkandidaturen von 1002 und 1024: Gruendeten sie
im Verwandtenanspruch oder in Vorstellungen von freier Wahl?" in *Reich und
Kirche vor dem Inventiturstreit*(Sigmaringen: Jan Thorbecke, 1985) edited by
Karl Schmidt, pp.49-64
The third article is a reply to Wolf. All of these articles recite the
relevant portions of the *Genealogia Welforum* and *Historia Welforum* and the
relevant charters. The last article is the most recent of the batch. The
present picture seems to be that Kuno (which name is a short form variant of
'Konrad') is to be identified with Konrad (b.925/30 d.20/8/997) duke of Swabia
father of Hermann II. The problem is Richlind. The charter in which she is
mentioned is a proven fabrication and that her mention in the GW an invention.
Konrad of Swabia had a proven wife, Judith. In the last article by
Hlawitschka, he presents a very clever and plausible reconstruction of
Judith's ancestry. If he is correct then she was indeed related to the emperor
Otto I. According to the reconstruction Judith would be Otto's 1st cousin
twice removed. On her mother's side she would be the great granddaughter of
one of Otto's paternal uncles (i.e. a brother of king Henry the Fowler). The
point seems to be that the GW etc in assigning an alleged daughter of Otto as
the wife of Kuno von Oehningen were indicating that Kuno's wife had blood ties
with the royal dynasty ('koenigsnahe') and in this these sources were correct.
What was mistaken was the name and precise relationship to the dynasty. In any
event if Kuno is identical with duke Konrad, he would have had something that
even the current Saxon dynasty did not, koenigsnahe with the Carolingians (his
mother was one such). This is a mere sketch of what I take to be the present
state of play. The debate may of course have moved on since I researched the
subject (about 1990). If Kuno is identical with Konrad of Swabia then it
would seem that he has an interesting array of children. Part of the problem
of Kuno's identity was that his children married into the highest levels of
the nobility which suggested that he was something more than the mere lord of
Oehningen. Kuno/Konrad would have been about 52/57 when he became duke so he
would have been known as a count in the Rheingau (949) and lord of Oehningen.
I hope this is not misleading and of some help. [Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM
1/24/1997]
Pedigree of Conrad I Duke Of Swabia
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Agilolf
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Hadrian Lord In The Worms
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Hnabi Duke Of Alamannia, Count In The Linzgau
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Emma
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Hersuinde
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Eudes Count Of Orleans
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Thiery (Not Makhir) Count Of Autun
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Adalelmus
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Auda
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Waldast
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Gebhard Count In The Nieder-Lahngau
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Girard Count Of Paris
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Leuthard Count Of Fezenac
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Carloman Mayor Of The Palace
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Rotrude
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Engeltrude
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Grimihild
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Eudes Count In Lahngau
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Hunroch Count of Ternois
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(Unk Dau) Of Friuli
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Girard Count Of Paris
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Begue Count Of Paris
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Carloman Mayor Of The Palace
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Rotrude
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Engeltron Of Paris
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Charlemagne King Of France
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Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
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Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
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Aupals
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Gebhard Duke Of Lorraine
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Guelph Duke Of Fruili, Count Of Bavaria
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Ruthardus Duke Of Bavaria
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Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
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Conrad I Of Burgandy, Count Of Auxerra
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(Unk) Saxon
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Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
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Judith
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Adelbert Duke Of Alsace
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Luitfriede I Duke Of Alsace
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Gerlinde
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Luitfriede II Count Of Alsace
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Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
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Hiltrude
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Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
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Ava
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Udo Count In The Wetterau
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Ita
Conrad I Duke Of Swabia
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Pepin The Short King Of The Franks
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Chrotrudis
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Charlemagne King Of France
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Caribert Count Of Laon
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Bertha Of Laon, Countess Of Laon
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Gisele
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Karlman (Pepin) King Of Italy And Bavaria
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Agilolf
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Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
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Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
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Hnabi Duke Of Alamannia, Count In The Linzgau
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Emma
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Hersuinde
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Bernard King Of Italy
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Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Aupais
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Bernard Duke, Abbot Of Saint Quentin
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Gui Abbot Of Fontenelle
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Chrothais
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Chrolanda
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Therres
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(Unk Son) Of Bavaria
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Caribert Count Of Laon
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Bertrade De Preum
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(Unk Dau) Of Laon
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Gisele
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Pepin Count Of Senlis, Peronne, & St. Quentin
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Barnier
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Thiery (Not Makhir) Count Of Autun
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Rolanda
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Saint William Count Of Auton, Marquis Of Septimania
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Auda
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Chrotrudis
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Caribert
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Kunigunde
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Cunigunde
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Herbert I Count Of Vermandois
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Childebrand I Duke Of Provence
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Niebelung I Historian, Lord Of Perrency
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Niebelung II Count Of Hesbaye
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Niebelung III Count Of Burgundy
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Barnier
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Thiery (Not Makhir) Count Of Autun
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Rolanda
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Bertha
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Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
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Auda
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Chrotrudis
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Theoderic Count Of Vermandois
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(Unk Dau) Of Vermandois
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Cunegundis Of Vermandois
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Guerra I Count Of Morvois
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Beatrice Of Morvois
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Eve Of Roussillon
Descendants of Conrad I Duke Of Swabia
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