Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Alice ODDINGSELLS Death: 1352
- Ela De ODINGSELLS Birth: 2
Death: After 1324/5
- Ida ODDINGSELLS Birth: Abt 1270
Death: 1325 in Wroxall
- Edmund De ODINGSELLS Birth: 1273
Death: Before 1310
- Margaret De ODINGSELLS Birth: Abt 1277
Death: Abt 1330
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Richardson, Douglas, Descendants of Sir Richard de Lucy and Rohese of Boulogne. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 7/29/2005. Subject: Descendants of Sir Richard de Lucy and Rohese of Boulogne. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/F9_d7JZUuk0/m/5jgR9n064yQJ. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 7/29/2005-174625].
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- date:
- abt 1248 [Ref: Rosie Bevan SGM 9/15/2002-064341],
- parents:
- [Ref: Clutterbuck Hertford v3p119, John Ravilious SGM
11/22/2004-164318, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p651, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p272,
Roberts RD600 p455, Rosie Bevan SGM 9/15/2002-064341, Weis AR7 #30, Weis MC
#50],
- father:
- [Ref: CP III p313, CP VI p145 (with corr in XIV p354), Watney WALLOP
#748, Weis AR7 #86]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
- parents:
- William LONGSPEE (#10492) & Ela of Salisbury (#10493) [Ref: ES III.2
#356a, Paget HRHCharles p15]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- after 1303 [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 7/29/2005-174625]
- living 7 Jan 1311 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p272]
Sources with Information about marriage to William ODDINGSELLS, Lord Of Maxtock
- date:
- before 1273 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p272],
- names:
- [Ref: CP VI p144, Clutterbuck Hertford v3p119, Richardson RoyalAnc
v2p651, Watney WALLOP #748, Weis MC #50],
- child:
- [Ref: Banks Baronies v2p109, CP I p298, CP III p313, CP VI p145 (with
corr in XIV p354), CP VIII p170, Clutterbuck Hertford v3p120, Douglas
Richardson SGM 7/29/2005-174625, Holloway WENTWORTH p7, John Ravilious SGM
11/22/2004-164318, Richardson PA p218, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p259, Richardson
RoyalAnc v4p272, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p273, Roberts RD600 p455, Rosie Bevan
SGM 9/15/2002-064341, Weis AR7 #30, Weis AR7 #86]
Research Notes:
William de Oddingeselles, of Solihull and Maxstonek, Warwickshire served as
Justiciar of Ireland from 19 Oct 1294 until his death on 19 Apr 1295. His
wife was Ela whose parentage appears to be in question depending on which
source is consulted. The significance of this couple is that their grandsons
included, among others, John, 2nd Baron Clinton and John, 2nd Baron Grey of
Rotherfield, both lines producing many descendants.
Sources favoring Ela as daughter of Walter Fitz Robert (d. 1258), son of the
Magna Charta Baron Robert Fitz Walter (d. 1235) include: Ancestral Roots, 7th
Edition (p.33), Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th Edition (p.60), Donald Lines
Jacobus in the Boston Evening Transcript genealogical column of 1 Feb 1928,
and the earliest to mention this relationship, the very dubious Wurtz's Magna
Charta Barons.
Making this relationship questionable is Paget's Baronage (No.334) which
names only 3 children of Walter Fitz Robert and wife Ida de Longespee: Robert,
Catherine, and Lora. The Complete Peerage, 11:382 says Ida de Longespee did
marry Walter Fitz Robert, but not the son of the Magna Charta Baron, rather
the son of one Robert Fitz Philip, which seems to confirm the earlier volume,
3:33 wherein is it stated that Ela's daughter, Ida, who married John, 1st
Baron Clinton, was the daugher of Walter Fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, not a
manor held by the son of the Magna Charta Baron.
Sources favoring Ela as daughter of William de Longespee (d.1226), Earl of
Salisbury are Baker's History and Antiquities of the County of Northampton
(2:294) and Europaesche Stammtafeln, vol. 3, part 2, table 356a. This however
is not feasible. The elder Earl of Salisbury died 1226. Ela's five children
were born between 1270 and 1277, making her 51 at the birth of her youngest
child.
So, it would seem that everyone (Ancestral Roots, Magna Charta Barons,
Europaesche Stammtafeln, Baker, Wurtz (of course), and D.L.Jacobus are wrong,
and the Complete Peerage is right, that the wife of William de Oddingeselles
was Ela, daughter of Walter Fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, co Essex (son of
Robert Fitz Philip) and his wife Ida, daughter of William de Longespee II (d.
1250), Earl of Salisbury, son of the elder William, and therefore is NOT the
granddaughter of the Magna Charta Baron, Robert Fitz Walter. [Ref: Ronny
Bodine SGM 11/19/1996]
with children born around 1265, in 1273, and in 1277, must have been born
around 1248. Ela's brother Robert FitzWalter was born in 1247, so this is a
realistic date. Ela is clearly younger than her husband, William Odingseles,
who was born around 1229 [Ref: Rosie Bevan SGM 9/15/2002-064341]
shown as daughter of William Longspee Earl of Salisbury [Ref: Banks Baronies
v2p109]
Pedigree of Ela FITZ WALTER
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Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
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Godfrey Count Of Brionne
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Gunnora
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Gilbert Count Of Brionne
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Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
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Robert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Little Dunmow
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Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
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Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
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(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
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Wevie
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Rohese GIFFARD
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Gerard De FLEITELL
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Ermengarde FLATEL
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Walter FITZ ROBERT, Baron Of Little Dunmow
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Ranulph Le Rich
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Simon De St. LIZ, Earl Of Huntingdon
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Maud De ST LIZ
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Beorn
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Sigurd Digera Earl Of Northumbria
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Waltheof II Earl Of Huntingdon
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Ealdred Of Bernicia
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Aelflaed
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Maud Of Huntingdon
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Eustace I Count Of Boulogne
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Lambert Of Boulogne, Count Of Lens
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Maud Of Louvain
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Judith Of Lens
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Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy
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Adelaide Of Normandy
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Herleve Of Falaise
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Robert FITZ WALTER, Leader Of MC Barons
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Avelina
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Maud De LUCY, Lady Of Diss
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Goisfred Lord Of Carshalton
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Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
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Athelaise
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Rohese
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Ela FITZ WALTER
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Hugo Of Perch
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Geoffrey Ferreol Count Of The Gatinais
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Beatrix Of Macon
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Fulk IV Rechin Count Of Anjou
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Fulk III The Black Count Of Anjou
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Ermengarde Of Anjou
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Hildegarde Of Metz
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Herbert Count Of Maine
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Paula Of Maine
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Robert Seigneur De Chateau-Du-Loir
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Gervase Seigneur De Chateau-Du-Loir
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Elizabeth
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Matilda
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Adelaide Of Normandy
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Roger De Beaumont
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Margaret De BEAUMONT
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Getha
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Emma Fitz Osbern
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Ernulph De HESDIN, Baron Of Keevil
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Ada
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Ela TALVAS
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Robert The Old Duke Of Burgundy
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Henry Of Burgundy
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Helle Of Semur En Auxois
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Eudes I Borrel Duke Of Burgundy
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Berengar Raimond I Count Of Barcelona
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Guisle Of Lluca
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Guerin I De CRAON
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Bertha Dame De Craon
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Robert II Lord Of Vitre
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Robert De Mortain, Count Of Mortain In Avranchi
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Maud De Montgomery
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Mabel De Belesme
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Robert III Lord Of Vitre
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Emma De La GUERCHE
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Eleanor De VITRE
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Geoffrey Duke Of Brittany
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Hawise Of Normandy
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