Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Idonea De SAY Death: Before 1384
- Joan De SAY Death: 29 Jun 1378
- Elizabeth De SAY Death: Before 15 May 1401
- Sir John De SAY Death: Before 29 Sep 1401
- Sir Thomas De SAY Death: After 29 Sep 1366
- William De SAY, Lord Say Birth: 17 Jun 1340 in Birling, Kent
Death: Before 7 Aug 1375
Marriage:
Bibliography
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Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages. London: Burkes, 1883. Reprinted: Baltimore: Genealogical Pub Co, 1978. (1985 printing) M-LH H 929.7 BUR 1985, also NYPL AWN 95-9586. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/246217. Another (which claims to also be the 1883 edition but is earlier 1866 edition) at http://archive.org/details/agenealogicalhi00burkgoog. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke DormantPeerages p[0-9]*].
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Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 03 Canonteigh-Cutts. London: St Catherine Press, 1913. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 3 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo03coka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP III [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 06 Gordon-Huntley. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP VI [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Clutterbuck, Robert, History and Antiquities of the County of Hertford, London: Nichols, Son, and Bentley, 1815-27, v1-3. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/188626. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Clutterbuck Hertford v[1-3]p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Maud de Beauchamp, wife of Geoffrey de Say. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 2/16/2020. Subject: C.P. Correction/Addition: Maud de Beauchamp (died 1369), wife of Geoffrey de Say, 2nd Lord Say. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/5ai54QiyTHY/m/JpIfwgKFGQAJ. Author address: celticprince at gmail dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 2/16/2020-161214].
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Richardson, Douglas, Death of Nicholas de Astley, 2nd Lord Astley. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 6/27/2018. Subject: C.P. Additions: Marriage dates of Thomas de Astley, 3rd Lord Astley [died c.1389] & Elizabeth de Beauchamp; and Geoffrey de Say, 2nd Lord Say [died 1359] & Maud de Beauchamp; Death of Nicholas de Astley, 2nd Lord Astley. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/ii3DIJbh6WE/m/m6RweUAHAgAJ. Author address: celticprince at gmail dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 6/27/2018-165443].
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Richardson, Douglas, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Baltimore, MD: Genelogical Publishing Co, 2004. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson PA p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1[pc][0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
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Roberts, Gary Boyd, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States: who were themselves notable or left descendants notable in American history, with a 2008 Addendum, Coda, and Final Additions. Baltimore, MD: Gen Pub Co, 2008. NYPL APK 08-4216. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Roberts RD600 p[0-9]*].
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Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].
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Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].
Sources for birth and parent Information
- parents:
- [Ref: Burke DormantPeerages p30, CP XI p477 (with corr in XIV p571),
Clutterbuck Hertford v1p358, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p288, Richardson RoyalAnc
v1p291, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p570, Roberts RD600 p471, Weis AR7 #86],
- father:
- [Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, CP III p314, Richardson PA p220, Richardson
RoyalAnc v2p264, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p579, Sanders Baronies p98(2)]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- 1369 [Ref: Weis AR7 #86]
- 28 Jul 1369 [Ref: CP XI p477, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p570]
- will dated 30 Oct 1369 [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 2/16/2020-161214]
Sources for burial Information
- place:
- [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p570]
Sources with Information about marriage to Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
- date:
- before Easter 1332 [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 6/27/2018-165443]
- first marriage of Maud [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p291, Weis AR7 #86],
- names:
- [Ref: Burke DormantPeerages p30, Clutterbuck Hertford v1p358, Sanders
Baronies p98(2)],
- child:
- [Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, CP III p314, CP III p320, CP VI p493(f), CP
XI p477, CP XI p478(g), Richardson PA p220, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p264,
Richardson RoyalAnc v2p579, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p570, Roberts RD600 p471,
Weis AR7 #86]
Sources with Information about marriage to Edmund
- date:
- second marriage of Maud [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p291, Richardson
RoyalAnc v4p570],
- names:
- Edmund ___ & Maud De BEAUCHAMP [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p291,
Richardson RoyalAnc v4p570]
Research Notes:
no evidence of order of her two marriages; however she consistently appears in
records as Maud de Say from Geoffrey's death in 1359 until her own death in
1369 [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 2/16/2020-161214]
will dated "Tuesday next after the Feast of the Apostles of Simon and Jude,
1369" which is 30 Oct 1369. The will was presumably never probated [Ref:
Douglas Richardson SGM 2/16/2020-161214]
Pedigree of Maud De BEAUCHAMP
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Hugh De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Beauchamp Of Bedford
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Walter BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
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Matilda De Taillebois
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William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
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Ursolde De ARBITOT, Baron Of Salwarpe
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Emeline De ARBITOT
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Adelise
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William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
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Philip De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Aenor De TOTENEIS
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Bertha BRAOS
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Miles FITZ WALTER, Earl Of Hereford
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Bertha Of Hereford
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Sibyl De NEUFMARCHE
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Walter De BEAUCHAMP
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Sir Thomas De St VALERIE
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Joan De St VALERIE
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William BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Elmsley Castle
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Ralph De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Milicent
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Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Roger De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Ranulph II De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
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William De MESCHINES, Baron Of Egremont
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Margaret Le Goz
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Maud De MESCHINES
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Robert De RUMILLY, Baron Of Skipton
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Cecily De ROMILLY
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Joan MORTIMER
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Engewulf De FERRERS
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Henry De FERRERS
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Walkeline FERRERS, Lord Of Oakham
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Isabel De FERRIERS
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William De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
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William I MAUDIT
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William II MAUDIT
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Hawise
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William III MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
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Michael De HAMESLAPE, Baron Of Hanslope
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Maude De HAMESLAPE
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Robert MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
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Simon De St. LIZ, Earl Of Huntingdon
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Simon II De St. LIZ, Earl Of Huntingdon
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Maud Of Huntingdon
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Isabel De St LIZ
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Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
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Amicia De Gael
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William IV MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
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Thurstan BASSET
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Isabel BASSET
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Isabel MAUDUIT
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Roger De Beaumont
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Henry De Newburgh, Earl Of Warwick
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Adelise Of Meulan
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Roger De Newburgh, Earl Of Warwick
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Geoffrey II De Perche, Count Of Perche
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Margaret De Perche
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Beatrix De Montdidier
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Waleran Beaumont De Newbourge, Earl Of Warwick
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William De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey
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William II De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey
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Gundred
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Gundred De WARENNE, Countess Of Warwick
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Hugh Magnus Duke Of France
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Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
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Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess Of Vermandois
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Alice De NEWBOURGE
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William De Harcourt, Seigneur De Harcourt Cailvi
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Ivo De Harcourt
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Hue De Amboise
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Robert De Harcourt
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Alice De Harcourt
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Richard De Camville
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(Unk Dau) De VERE
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Millicent De Camville
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Gervais Count Of Rethel
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Milicent Of Rethel
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Elizabeth Of Namur
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Sir Guy De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
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Piers De LUTEGARESHALE
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Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
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Maud
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Sir John FITZ GEOFFREY
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Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
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Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
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Rohese GIFFARD
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Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
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Hugh Count Of Clermont
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Adeliza De CLERMONT
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Margaret De Roucy
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Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
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Ranulph II De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
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Ranulph III De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester
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Margaret Le Goz
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Adeliza Le MESCHIN
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Thorold Of Buckingham, Sheriff Of Lincoln
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Lucia Of East Angies
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(Unk Dau)
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Aveline De CLARE
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Eudo De St James
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Hasculf De St JAMES, Baron Of Field Dalling
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James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
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Matilda
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Maud St. HILLARY
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Aveline
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Maud FITZJOHN
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Robert Le BIGOT
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Roger BIGOD, Baron Of Framlingham
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Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk And Suffolk
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Robert De TOENI, Lord Of Belvoir
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Alice De TOENI
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Adelais
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Roger BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
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Alberic De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
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Alberic II De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
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Beatrix
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Juliana VERE
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Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
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Adeliza De CLARE
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Adeliza De CLERMONT
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Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
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Ralph IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Roger III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Alice Of Northumberland
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Ralph V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Baldwin III Count Of Hainault
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Ida (Gertrude) Of Hainault
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Yolande Of Guelders
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Ida Countess Of Norfolk
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Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
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Margaret De BEAUMONT
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Ralph De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort-Gael
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Amicia De Gael
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Isabel BIGOD
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Robert Marshal
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Gilbert GIFFARD, Marshal
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John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
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Geoffrey De VENOIZ
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(Unk dau) De VENOIZ
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Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke
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Edward De SARESBERIE, Baron Of Trowbridge
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Walter De SALISBURY, Baron Of Chitterne
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Sibyl De SALISBURY
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Patric De CHAWORTH, Baron Of Kempsford
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Sibyl De CHAWORTH
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Matilda De HESDIN
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Maud MARSHALL
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Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
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Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
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Adeliza De CLERMONT
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Richard "Strongbow" De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
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Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
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Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
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Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke
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Donnchad Mac MURCHAD, King Of Dublin, Laigin, Lei
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Dairmait Mac MURCHAD, King Of Leinster
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Orlaith
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Aoife Macmurchada Of Leinster
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Muirchertach Ua TUATHAIL, King Of Ui Muiredaig
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Mor Ua TUATHAIL
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Cacht Of Leix
Maud De BEAUCHAMP
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Ralph IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Roger III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Alice Of Northumberland
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Ralph V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Baldwin III Count Of Hainault
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Ida (Gertrude) Of Hainault
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Yolande Of Guelders
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Roger IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
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Margaret De BEAUMONT
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Ralph De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort-Gael
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Amicia De Gael
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Ralph VI De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Raoul VII Vicount Of Fresnay, Beaumont, And St Suz
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Roscelin De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine
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Adenor Of Laval
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Richard I De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine
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Henry I Beauclerc King Of England
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Constance
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Constance De BEAUMONT
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Richard II Seigneur of l'Aigle
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Lucie De L'AIGLE
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Beatrice
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Roger V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Gilbert De LACY
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Emma De LACY
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Hugh De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
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Walter De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
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William Fitz BADERON, Baron Of Monmouth
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Baderon De MONMOUTH
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Hawise
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Roheis De MONMOUTH
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Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
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Rohese De CLARE
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Adeliza De CLERMONT
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Petronilla De LACY
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Philip De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Aenor De TOTENEIS
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Miles FITZ WALTER, Earl Of Hereford
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Bertha Of Hereford
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Sibyl De NEUFMARCHE
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Margaret De BRAOISE
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Reginald De St VALERY, Baron Of Beckley
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Bernard De St VALERY, Baron Of Beckley
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Matilda De ST VALERIE De HAIA
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Matilda
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Ralph VII De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Humphrey II De BOHUN
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Humphrey III De BOHUN, Baron Of Trowbridge
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Maud De SARESBERIE
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Humphrey IV De BOHUN, Baron Of Trowbridge
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Miles FITZ WALTER, Earl Of Hereford
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Margaret Of Hereford
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Sibyl De NEUFMARCHE
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Henry De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford, MC Surety
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David I The Saint King Of Scots
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Henry Of Huntingdon, Earl Of Huntingdon
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Maud Of Huntingdon
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Margaret Of Huntingdon
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William II De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey
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Ada De WARENNE
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Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
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Humphrey V De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex
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Piers De LUTEGARESHALE
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Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
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Maud
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Maud FITZ GEOFFREY De MANDEVILLE
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William De SAY
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William De SAY
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Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
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Beatrice De SAY
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William The Lion King Of Scots
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Aufrica
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Alice De BOHUN
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Hugh VII Brunus Sire De Lusignan
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Hugh VIII Sire De Lusignan
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Sarasine
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Hugh Sire De Lusignan
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Geoffrey Of Rancon, Lord Of Taillebourg
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Burgundia Dame De Fontenay
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Raoul I De LUSIGNAN, Count D'Eu
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Orengarde
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Maud D'EU
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Henry Count D'Eu, Baron Of Hastings
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John Count D'Eu, Baron Of Hastings
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Margaret De Sully
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Henry Count D'Eu, Baron Of Hastings
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William D'AUBIGNY, Earl Of Arundel
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Adelise D'AUBIGNY
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Adeliza Of Louvain, Queen Dowager Of England
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Alice D'EU, Countess Of Eu, Lady Of Hastings
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Geoffrey Plantagenet Count Of Anjou, Duke Of Normandy
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Hameline PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Surrey
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Maud De WARENNE
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William III De WARRENNE, Earl Of Surrey
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Isabel De WARENNE, Countess Of Surrey
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Ela TALVAS
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Alice De TOENI
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Mary
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