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• Name: Roger I De TOENI
• Sex: M
• Birth: Abt 990 ^b
• Death: Abt 1039 ^d
• Burial: 31 May 1039 in Conches ^u


Parents:

• Father:
  
• Ralph II De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches Birth: Before 970 Death: After 1016

Family:
Marriage:

• Stephanie Of Barcelona on Abt 1018 .^m1
  
• Stephanie Of Barcelona Birth: Abt 1005 Death: After 1054

Children:

1. Helbert Death: Abt 1040
2. Helinand Death: Abt 1040
3. Robert De TOENI, Lord Of Belvoir Birth: Tosny, Eure, Arr Louviers, Cant Gaillon Death: Abt 1093
4. Berengar Spina De TOENI
5. Gazon De TOENI Death: After 1045

Marriage:

• Godehildie on 2 .^m2
  
• Godehildie Birth: Abt 1004 Death: After 1055

Children:

1. Adelise De TONI Death: 5 Oct Abt 1070
2. Ralph III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead Birth: Abt 1025 in Tosny, Eure, Arr Louviers, Cant Gaillon Death: 24 Mar 1102
3. Robert De STAFFORD, Baron Of Stafford Birth: Before 1041 in Tosny, Eure, Arr Louviers, Cant Gaillon Death: 1088

Bibliography

Sources for birth and parent Information

date:

about 990 [Ref: CP XII/1 p755],

father:

[Ref: CP VI p448, CP XII/1 p754, CP XII/1 p755, Madan Gresleys p223, Searle PredatoryKinship p262, Watney WALLOP #967]

Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information

father:

(sic) Hugh de CALVACAMP (#13754) [Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM 7/14/1999]

Sources for death Information

date:

(1040) [Ref: ES III.4 #705]

1038 or 1039 [Ref: CP XII/1 p755, CP XII/1 p757]

1040 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p338, Searle PredatoryKinship p262]

abt 1040 [Ref: HenryII godeh000 12/31/2007, Madan Gresleys p223, Watney WALLOP #52, Watney WALLOP #967]

before 1038 [Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM 7/14/1999]

Sources for burial Information

date:

[Ref: CP XII/1 p755, CP XII/1 p757],

place:

[Ref: CP XII/1 p755, CP XII/1 p757]

Sources with Information about marriage to Stephanie Of Barcelona

date:

abt 1018 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p380, Richard Borthwick SGM 7/14/1999]

first marriage of Etiennette [Ref: Settipani Nobles p149]

first marriage of Roger [Ref: CP XII/1 p756(g), ES III.4 #705],

names:

Roger De CONCHES & N v Barcelona T v Ramon Borrell Gf v B [Ref: ES III.4 #705]

Roger De TONEI & Stephanie dau of Ermenside Countess of Barcelona and sister of Ramond Berenger [Ref: CP XII/1 p756(g)],

child:

[Ref: ES III.4 #705, HenryII godeh000 12/31/2007, Richard Borthwick SGM 7/14/1999]

Sources with Inaccurate marriage information

child:

Adelise (#13671) wife of William Fitz Osbern Earl of Hereford, Ralph III de Toeni (#11451), Robert de STAFFORD (#15402) [Ref: ES III.4 #705]

Sources with Information about marriage to Godehildie

date:

first marriage of Adelaide [Ref: ES II #69, ES II #79, Moriarty Plantagenet p11]

first marriage of Godehilda [Ref: HenryII godeh000 12/31/2007, HenryII richa002 12/31/2007, Madan Gresleys p223, Searle PredatoryKinship p262, Watney WALLOP #967]

first marriage of ___ [Ref: HenryII simon000 5/29/2012]

second marriage of Roger [Ref: CP XII/1 p756, ES III.4 #705],

child:

[Ref: CP XII/1 p757, Clutterbuck Hertford v1p354, HenryII godeh000 12/31/2007, Madan Gresleys p223, Madan Gresleys p279, Searle PredatoryKinship p262, Watney WALLOP #967]

Research Notes:
heir of his father [Ref: CP XII/1 p755]

Guillaume de Jumieges states that "Rogerius Toenites de stirpe mala Hulcii, qui Rollonis Ducis patruus fuerant ...", and it is debated whether the correct reading is "mala Hulcii" or "Malahulcii", so that the passage is claiming that Roger's ancestry can be traced back to an uncle of Rollo whose name was either Malahulc or Hulc, depending on how the passage is read (the difference between capital and lowercase letters being vague or nonexistent in many medieval manuscripts). [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 7/15/1997]

1013-4: joined with his father in the custody of the castle of Tillieres [Ref: CP XII/1 p755]

styled sometimes Roger of Spain [Ref: CP XII/1 p756(b)]

abt 1035: Orderic's Interpolation in William of Jumieges says that Roger of Conches fought briefly in Spain. This may have been a separate incident to the prolonged stay in Spain of a Roger, usually identified as de Tosny, mentioned in the chronicles of Adhemar and Clarius of Sens, where he married the daughter of Ramon Berenguer I of Barcelona abt 1018 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p380]

1038-9: While Duke Robert was away on pilgrimage, he went to Spain and distinguished himself in fighing. When he returned to Normandy, he was furious to learn that the boy William had succeeded his father in the Duchy, declaring that a bastard ought not to rule over him and other Normans. Accordingly he rebelled and ravaged the lands of his neighbors, particularly those of Humphrey de Vielles; whose son Roger de Beaumont marched against him and in the battle which followed Roger de Toeni and two of his sons were slain. [Ref: CP XII/1 p755]

Standard-bearer of Normandy [Ref: CP VI p448]

Roger was exiled, and ended up "crusading" in and around Barcelona. Sources from that area report that he married a (unnamed) daughter of the countess of Barcelona (widow of Ramon Borrell). Norman sources only show him married to a Godeheut, who as his widow remarried. What gives then? Was Adele his first wife and Godeheut his second? Was Godeheut the Norman name for the Barcelona princess? Is the Barcelona source wrong in stating that they married? Helpful in solving the question would appear to be Berenger Hispina de Toeny. I think it is safe to conclude that he owed his name to this marriage (and I have often wondered if Hispina wasn't a garbled 'of Spain'). Unfortunately his parentage is also in question. A recent account of the Tosny family showed him as son of Roger and Adelaide, but Evans, in his paper of Todeny de Belvoir showed him as belonging to that branch, and suggested that a second Toeny married down south. Keats-Rohan seems to accept the marriage, and that Adelaide was mother of Roger's children. [Ref: Todd Farmerie SGM 1/5/1999]

Keats-Rohan distinguishes Roger (I) and Roger (II) and infers that the latter was the nephew of the former. The distinction is required otherwise Roger (II) would have been a bigamist [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p381, Richard Borthwick SGM 7/14/1999]

There are two sources which report the marriage of "Roger" to a spanish lady. One of them reports the marriage arranged by Ermesende to her daughter (who I don't think is named in the original). The other reports the marriage of Roger to Stephanie, who later married Garcia Sanchez of Navarre. On the Norman side, there were two, presumably related, Tosny (Todeny) families. The more senior one (Conches) of them traces to Roger de Tosny, who is known to have been exiled from Normandy, and to have gained fame in Spain. It is to this Roger that at least one of the above marriages explicitly refers. The junior line, that of Belvoir, is of obscure origins, but an attempt has been made to derive them from the spanish marriage based on the appearance of the name Berenger in the family. There is no other evidence which suggests a spanish connection for this branch, nor that known ancestor Robert was son of a Roger. [Ref: Todd Farmerie SGM 7/14/1999]

There has been much written in an attept to clarify this whole question, none of it successful. Evans, for example, suggested that not only did Roger of Conches marry a Spanish princess, but there must also have been a connection to Belvoir to explain the name Berenger. He proposed that Robert of Belvoir was son of another (otherwise unknown) Roger, likewise exiled to spain and likewise married to a spanish princess. His solution seemed to be turned on its hat by Musset, who in writing on the Toeny instead placed the Berengers as members of the Conches family, eliminating the need for the Todeny branch to be brought into the equation at all.
Keats-Rohan returns to the Evans theory, but follows Stasser (and perhaps Evans, I will have to look it up) in making Stephanie, wife of Garcia Sanchez daughter of Ramon Borrel, Count of Barcelona. This appears to be an attempt to unify the two theories - making the wife of Roger and Garcia the daughter of Ermesende, while eliminating the "widow" problem, since the death of the hypothetical Todeny Roger would have freed up Stephanie to remarry. There are several problems here. First of all, all Iberian works with which I am familiar (and as recent as 1996) are united in calling the Queen of Navarre the daughter, not of Ramon Borrel and Ermesende, but of her brother Bernard, Count of Bigorre, and sister of the Queen of Aragon. Likewise the recent work of Salazar Acha concludes, based on onomastics, that Stephanie had been previously married to a relative of Queen Constance of France, and there is hardly room for a marriage to a Tosny in here too. [Ref: Todd Farmerie SGM 7/14/1999]



Pedigree of Roger I De TOENI
                   /-----Hugh De CALVACAMP
          /-----Ralph I De TOENI
 /-----Ralph II De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches
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