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  • Name: Mabel De Belesme
  • Sex: F
  • Death: 2 Dec 1079 in Bures-Sur-Dives d
  • Burial: 5 Dec 1079 in Abbey Of Troarn, France u


  • Parents:
  • Father:
  • William II TALVAS Birth: Abt 1018 Death: After 1055
  • Mother:
  • Hildeburg Death: Abt 1067

Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Roger De Montgomery Birth: 1 Death: Before 1062
  2. Robert II De Belesme, Count Of Alencon Birth: Abt 1052 Death: 8 May After 1130 in Wareham Castle
  3. Hugh De Montgomery, Earl Of Shrewsbury Birth: Abt 1053 Death: Abt 31 Jul 1098
  4. Roger Le POITEVIN, Count Of La Marche Birth: 4 Death: 1123
  5. Philip De Montgomery Death: 1099
  6. Arnulph De MONTGOMERY
  7. Emma De Montgomery, Abbess Of Almeneches Birth: 1
  8. Sybil De Montgomery Birth: 4 Death: After 1140
  9. Maud De Montgomery Birth: Abt 1049 Death: 21 Sep 1082
  10. Matilda De Montgomery Birth: 3
  11. William De MONTGOMERY

Bibliography
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Sources for birth and parent Information
parents:
[Ref: CP XI p686, Moriarty Plantagenet p11, Moriarty Plantagenet p12, Watney WALLOP #5],
father:
[Ref: CP I p230, CP III p428 (with corr in XIV p207), Keats-Rohan DD p309, Moriarty Plantagenet p44, Paget HRHCharles p64, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p160, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p490, Watney WALLOP #696, Weis AR7 #185]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: CP XI p686, Moriarty Plantagenet p11, Moriarty Plantagenet p12, Moriarty Plantagenet p44, Paget HRHCharles p64]
1079 [Ref: Weis AR7 #185]
2 Dec 1082 [Ref: ES III.4 #636, ES III.4 #637]
5 Dec 1082 [Ref: Watney WALLOP #5, Watney WALLOP #696]
abt 1077 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p399]
c.1077 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p309],
place:
[Ref: CP XI p686, Keats-Rohan DP p266]
Sources for burial Information
date:
[Ref: CP XI p686],
place:
[Ref: CP XI p686]
Sources with Information about marriage to Roger De Montgomery, Earl Of Shrewsbury
date:
1048 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p11, Moriarty Plantagenet p44]
1050-54 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p64]
abt 1048 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p399]
before 1050 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p309]
between 1050 and 1054 [Ref: CP XI p686]
first marriage of Roger [Ref: CP I p230, Thompson Montgomerys p259]
um X 1055 [Ref: ES III.4 #636, ES III.4 #637],
names:
[Ref: CP XI p683(d), Farmerie Gunnor, Moriarty Plantagenet p12, Watney WALLOP #5],
child:
[Ref: CP I p233, CP III p428 (with corr in XIV p207), CP XI p686, CP XI p687(d), CP XI p688(a), CP XI p688, CP XI p689, Keats-Rohan DD p309, Keats-Rohan DD p598, Keats-Rohan DP p372, Keats-Rohan DP p399, Keats-Rohan DP p409, Moriarty Plantagenet p45, Paget HRHCharles p64, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p160, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p490, Thompson Montgomerys p259, Watney WALLOP #696, Weis AR7 #185, White Gunnor p64]
Research Notes:
though she had brothers, she became the family's heiress in order to permit a peace between her family and the dukes of Normany after many years of conflict between them [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p399]

heiress of her father [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p160]

appointed heiress of William Talvas [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p309]

daughter and heir of William, Seigneur d'Alencon and Belleme [Ref: CP III p428]

a woman with a reputation for ruthlessness and violence (cf Ord Vitalis ii, 54) [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p309]

c.1077: murdered by one of her husband's tenants [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p309]

c.1077: murdered [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p399]

murdered Dec 5 1082 [Ref: Watney WALLOP #696]
murdered Dec 2 1079 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p12]



Pedigree of Mabel De Belesme
                            /-----Yves De BELLEME, Seigneur De Belleme
                   /-----Guilleume Lord of Belleme
                  |        |         /-----(Unk)
                  |         \-----Godehaut
          /-----William I Count Of Alencon And Bellasme
         |         \-----Mathilda Dame De Conde-Sur-Noireau
 /-----William II TALVAS
|         \-----Mathilde
Mabel De Belesme
|         /-----Arnulf
 \-----Hildeburg



Descendants of Mabel De Belesme
1. Mabel De Belesme m. Roger De Montgomery, Earl Of Shrewsbury
m. Roger De Montgomery, Earl Of Shrewsbury father: Roger De Montgomery, Seigneur Of Montgomery mother: Emma

2nd generation

3. Robert II De Belesme, Count Of Alencon m. Agnes Of Ponthieu
m. Agnes Of Ponthieu father: Guy I Count Of Ponthieu mother: Ada
5. Roger Le POITEVIN, Count Of La Marche m. Almodis Countess Of La Marche
m. Almodis Countess Of La Marche father: Aldebert I Count Of La Marche mother: Ponira
6. Philip De Montgomery m.
7. Arnulph De MONTGOMERY m. Lafrocoth
m. Lafrocoth father: Muirchertach Ua BRIAIN, High King Of Ireland
9. Sybil De Montgomery m. Robert FITZ HAMOND, Lord Of Tewkesbury
m. Robert FITZ HAMOND, Lord Of Tewkesbury father: Hamon Sheriff Of Kent
10. Maud De Montgomery m. Robert De Mortain, Count Of Mortain In Avranchi
m. Robert De Mortain, Count Of Mortain In Avranchi father: Herluin De Contreville mother: Herleve Of Falaise
12. William De MONTGOMERY m.

3rd generation

13. William III TALVAS, Count Of Alencon And Ponthieu m1. m2. Helie/Alice Of Burgandy
m. Helie/Alice Of Burgandy father: Eudes I Borrel Duke Of Burgundy mother: Matilda (Sibylle) Of Burgundy
14. Ponse De Montgomery m. Wulgrim II Tailefer, Count Of Angouleme
m. Wulgrim II Tailefer, Count Of Angouleme father: Guillaume III Tailefer, Count Of Angouleme mother: Vitapol De Benauges
19. Alice De MONTGOMERY m. Maurice FITZ GERALD, Lord Of Lanstephen
m. Maurice FITZ GERALD, Lord Of Lanstephen father: Gerald Of Windsor, Constable Of Pembroke Castl mother: Nest Of Wales, Princess Of Deheubarth
20. Maud FITZ HAMOND m. Robert The Consul De CAEN, Earl Of Gloucester
m. Robert The Consul De CAEN, Earl Of Gloucester father: Henry I Beauclerc King Of England
21. Agnes Of Mortain m. Andre I De Vitre
m. Andre I De Vitre father: Robert I Princeps Of Vitre mother: Bertha Dame De Craon
22. Denise Of Mortain m1. Guy II Sire De Laval m2.
m. Guy II Sire De Laval father: Hamon Lord Of Laval mother: Hersende
24. Emma De MORTAIN m. William IV Count Of Toulouse
m. William IV Count Of Toulouse father: Pons Count Of Toulouse mother: Adelmode De La Marche
26. Walter De MONTGOMERY m.

4th generation

29. Ela TALVAS m1. William III De WARRENNE, Earl Of Surrey m2. Patrick De SALISBURY, Earl Of Salisbury
m. William III De WARRENNE, Earl Of Surrey father: William II De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey mother: Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
m. Patrick De SALISBURY, Earl Of Salisbury father: Walter De SALISBURY, Baron Of Chitterne mother: Sibyl De CHAWORTH
30. Clemence Of Poitieu m. Juhael I Lord Of Mayenne
m. Juhael I Lord Of Mayenne father: Gautier Lord Of Mayenne mother: Adeline/Alix
31. Guy II De PONTHIEU, Count Of Ponthieu m. Ida
m. Ida
32. John I Count Of Alencon m. Beatrice Of Maine
m. Beatrice Of Maine father: Helie Of Anjou, Count Of Maine mother: Philippa De PERCHE
33. William Guillaume IV Tailefer, Count Of Angouleme m1. Emma De Limoges m2. Marguerite De Turenne
m. Emma De Limoges father: Aymar III Count Of Limoges mother: Marie Of Care
m. Marguerite De Turenne father: Raymond I Vicount Of Turenne mother: Maude De Perche
34. William FITZ MAURICE, Baron Of Naas m. Aline De CLARE
m. Aline De CLARE father: Richard "Strongbow" De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
37. Thomas FITZ MAURICE m. Sabine
m. Sabine
38. Gerald FITZ MAURICE, Baron Of Offaly m. Eve De BERMINGHAM
m. Eve De BERMINGHAM father: Robert De BIRMINGHAM
39. William Meullant FITZ ROBERT, Earl Of Gloucester m1. m2. Hawise DeBEAUMONT
m. Hawise DeBEAUMONT father: Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester mother: Amicia De Gael
40. Robert Castellan Of Gloucester m. Hawise De REDVERS
m. Hawise De REDVERS father: Baldwin De REVIERS, Earl Of Devon mother: Adelise
45. Maud De CAEN m. Ranulf De GERNON, Earl Of Chester, Vicomte D'Avranches
m. Ranulf De GERNON, Earl Of Chester, Vicomte D'Avranches father: Ranulph III De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester mother: Lucia Of East Angies
48. Marquise De Vitra m1. Theobald De MATEFELON m2. Hugh Sire De Craon m3. Hugues III Of Champagne m4. Payen Of Vaiges
m. Theobald De MATEFELON
m. Hugh Sire De Craon father: Maurice I Sire De Craon mother: Etiennette De Chantoce
m. Hugues III Of Champagne
m. Payen Of Vaiges
49. Hawise m. Robert FERRERS, Earl Of Derby
m. Robert FERRERS, Earl Of Derby father: Henry De FERRERS, Baron Of Tutbury mother: Bertha
52. Robert II Lord Of Vitre m. Emma De La GUERCHE
m. Emma De La GUERCHE
53. Adenor Of Laval m. Raoul VII Vicount Of Fresnay, Beaumont, And St Suz
m. Raoul VII Vicount Of Fresnay, Beaumont, And St Suz father: Hubert Vicount Of Beaumont And Maine mother: Ermengarde Of Nevers
54. Guy III Of Laval m1. m2. Cecilia
m. Cecilia
56. Maud Of Toulouse m1. Sancho Ramirez King Of Aragon And Navarre m2. William VII Count Of Poitou, IX Duke Of Aquitain
m. Sancho Ramirez King Of Aragon And Navarre father: Ramirez I King Of Aragon mother: Gilberge/Ermesinda De FOIX
m. William VII Count Of Poitou, IX Duke Of Aquitain father: William VI Geoffrey Count Of Poitou mother: Hildegarde Of Burgundy
57. William De MONTGOMERY m.

5th generation

58. Isabel De WARENNE, Countess Of Surrey m1. William Count Of Mortain And Boulogne, Earl Of W m2. Hameline PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Surrey
m. William Count Of Mortain And Boulogne, Earl Of W father: Stephen Of Blois, King Of England mother: Matilda Of Boulogne
m. Hameline PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Surrey father: Geoffrey Plantagenet Count Of Anjou, Duke Of Normandy
59. William FITZ PATRICK, Earl Of Salisbury m. Eleanor De VITRE
m. Eleanor De VITRE father: Robert III Lord Of Vitre mother: Emma Of Dinan
64. Geoffroy Sire De Mayenne m1. Constance Of Brittany m2. Isabella De BEAUMONT
m. Constance Of Brittany father: Conan III Le Gros Duke Of Brittany mother: Maud
m. Isabella De BEAUMONT father: Waleran De BEAUMONT, Earl Of Worcester mother: Agnes De MONTFORT
65. Matilda Of Mayenne m. Raoul De FOUGERES, Seigneur Of Fougeres
m. Raoul De FOUGERES, Seigneur Of Fougeres father: Henry De FOUGERES, Seigneur Of Fougeres mother: Olive Of Brittany
67. John I De PONTHIEU, Count Of Ponthieu m1. Matilda m2. Laure De St VALERY m3. Beatrice Of St. Pol
m. Matilda
m. Laure De St VALERY father: Reginald De St VALERY, Baron Of Beckley
m. Beatrice Of St. Pol father: Anselme CANDAVAINE, Count Of St. Pol
71. Alice Of Alencon m. Hugh II Vicount Of Chatellerault
m. Hugh II Vicount Of Chatellerault father: Aimery I Vicount De Chatellerault mother: Dangerose
72. Philippe Of Alencon m1. William De ROUMARE, Earl Of Lincoln m2. William MALET m3. William De PREAUX
m. William De ROUMARE, Earl Of Lincoln father: William De ROUMARE mother: Agnes Of Aumale
m. William MALET father: Matthew De Graville
m. William De PREAUX
74. Wulgram III Count Of Angouleme m. Elizabeth Of Amboize
m. Elizabeth Of Amboize father: Hugues II Sire De'Amboize
76. Aymer Tailefer, Count Of Angouleme m. Alice De Courtenay
m. Alice De Courtenay father: Peter Of France, Lord Of Courteney mother: Elizabeth De Courtenay
78. William FITZ WILLIAM, Baron Of Naas m. Maud De PONT De L'ARCHE
m. Maud De PONT De L'ARCHE father: Robert De PONT De L'ARCHE mother: Maud MARSHALL
79. John FITZ THOMAS m. Margery
m. Margery father: Thomas Fitz Anthony
80. Maurice FITZ THOMAS m.
81. Sir Maurice FITZ GERALD, Baron Offaly m. Juliane
m. Juliane
82. Mabel m. Gruffudd Ap Ifor Bach
m. Gruffudd Ap Ifor Bach
84. Mabel Of Gloucester m. Amaury De Montfort, Count Of Evereux
m. Amaury De Montfort, Count Of Evereux father: Simon De MONTFORT, Count Of Evreux mother: Maud
85. Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester m. Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety
m. Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety father: Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford mother: Maud St. HILLARY
87. Mabel FITZ ROBERT m1. Jordan De CHAMBERNON m2. William De SOLIERS
m. Jordan De CHAMBERNON father: Jordan De CHAMBERNON
m. William De SOLIERS
89. Hugh Of Kevelioc, Earl Of Chester m1. m2. Bertrade De MONTFORT
m. Bertrade De MONTFORT father: Simon De MONTFORT, Count Of Evreux mother: Maud
90. Maurice II Sire De Craon m. Isabella De BEAUMONT
m. Isabella De BEAUMONT father: Waleran De BEAUMONT, Earl Of Worcester mother: Agnes De MONTFORT
91. Robert De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby m. Margaret PEVERIL
m. Margaret PEVERIL father: William PEVERIL, Baron Of Peverel mother: Avice De LANCASTER
92. (Unk Dau) De FERRERS m. Ralph PAYNEL, Baron Of Dudley
m. Ralph PAYNEL, Baron Of Dudley father: Fulk PAYNEL mother: Beatrix
93. Isabel FERRERS m. Robert De CALZ
m. Robert De CALZ father: Ralph De CALZ mother: (Unk)
94. Matilda FERRERS m. Bertram De VERDUN
m. Bertram De VERDUN father: Norman De VERDON, Lord Of Weobley mother: Lanceline De CLINTON
97. Robert III Lord Of Vitre m. Emma Of Dinan
m. Emma Of Dinan father: Alan Of Dinan mother: Agnorie
99. Roscelin De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine m. Constance
m. Constance father: Henry I Beauclerc King Of England
101. Guy IV Lord Of Laval, Vicount Of Rennes m. Emma
m. Emma father: Henry I Beauclerc King Of England
103. William VIII Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine m1. Eleanor De CHASTELLERAULT m2. Emma De Limoges
m. Eleanor De CHASTELLERAULT father: Aimery I Vicount De Chatellerault mother: Dangerose
m. Emma De Limoges father: Aymar III Count Of Limoges mother: Marie Of Care
104. Raymond Prince Of Antioch m. Constance Of Antioch
m. Constance Of Antioch father: Bohemond II Prince Of Antioch mother: Alix
105. Maud/Agnes Of Aquitaine m1. Aimery VI Vicount Of Thouars m2. Ramirez II King Of Aragon
m. Aimery VI Vicount Of Thouars father: Geoffrey III Vicount Of Thouars mother: Ameline
m. Ramirez II King Of Aragon father: Sancho Ramirez King Of Aragon And Navarre mother: Felicia De Roucy
106. William De MONTGOMERY m.