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Marriage: Children:
  1. Heinrich Of Lorraine Death: After 944
  2. Hedwig Of Lorraine Death: After 934
  3. Alberade Of Lorraine Birth: Abt 930
  4. Biletrud Of Lorraine Birth: Abt 930 Death: After 29 Sep 976
  5. Gerberga Of Lorraine Birth: Abt 935 Death: After 7 Sep 978

Bibliography
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Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
abt 890 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p25, Moriarty Plantagenet p39, Weis AR7 #142]
prob in 890s [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008],
parents:
[Ref: ES I #95, HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008, HenryII regin001 4/24/2008, Moriarty Plantagenet p39],
father:
[Ref: Weis AR7 #140, Weis AR7 #240]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
mother:
Hersent of France (#10916) [Ref: Weis AR7 #140, Weis AR7 #240],
sister:
Kunigunde, wife of Count Palatine Wigerich (d.916/19) [Ref: Jackman GermanCounties]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: HenryII gerbe000 4/3/2011, HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008, HenryII heinr001 4/3/2011, HenryII regin001 4/24/2008, Moriarty Plantagenet p25, Moriarty Plantagenet p39, Weis AR7 #240]
939 [Ref: CMH p432, ES I #3, ES I #95, Tapsell Dynasties p205, Watney WALLOP #439, Weis AR7 #140, Weis AR7 #142],
place:
[Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p39]
drowned in Rhein [Ref: ES I.1 #10]
drowned in Rhine River [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008]
Sources with Inaccurate death Information
date:
X 929 [Ref: ES I.1 #10]
Sources with Information about marriage to Gerberga Of Saxony
date:
[Ref: ES I #3, ES I #95, HenryII gerbe000 4/3/2011, HenryII heinr001 4/3/2011, Moriarty Plantagenet p25, Moriarty Plantagenet p39, Weis AR7 #142, Weis AR7 #240]
928/29 [Ref: ES I.1 #10]
first marriage of Gerberga [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2, CMH p432, ES I.1 #6, ES II #1, Weis AR7 #148],
names:
[Ref: HenryII regin001 4/24/2008, Moriarty Plantagenet p35, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p132, Watney WALLOP #439],
child:
[Ref: ES I #95, HenryII alber000 4/24/2008, HenryII gerbe000 4/3/2011, HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008, Moriarty Plantagenet p39, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p120(1), Redlich CharlemagneDesc p279, Weis AR7 #140, Weis AR7 #142, Weis AR7 #151, Weis AR7 #50]
Research Notes:
Duke of Lorraine [Ref: ES I.1 #10, HenryII gerbe000 4/3/2011, HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008, HenryII heinr001 4/3/2011, HenryII regin001 4/24/2008, Moriarty Plantagenet p39, Weis AR7 #140, Weis AR7 #142, Weis AR7 #240, Weis AR7 #50]
Count of Hainault [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p39]
Lay-abbot of Echternach [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008, Weis AR7 #240]
Lay-abbot of Stavelot-Malmedy [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008]
Lay-abbot of Saint-Maximin [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008]
Lay-abbot of Saint-Servais [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008]
Lay-abbot of Chevremont [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008]

14 Apr 915: appears during his father's lifetime as lay-abbot of Stavelot-Malmedy [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008]

915-939: lay abbot of Echternach [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008, Weis AR7 #240]

19 Jan 916: present at the assembly at Heristal, where his brother Regnier II was also present [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008]

916: Graf im Hennegau [Ref: ES I #95]

920: Flodoard states that many men of Lorraine abandoned Charles the Simple and chose Giselbert as their princeps; however in 923 Giselbert is only called count [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008]

925: accepted Germany suzerainty [Ref: Jackman GermanCounties]

928onward: appears as duke in charters on a regular basis [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008]

928-939: Duke of Lorraine [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008, Tapsell Dynasties p205]

928: Herzog von Lothringen [Ref: ES I #95]

2 Oct 929: drowned on the Rhine river, being then in rebellion against Otto I [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008]

falsely attributed earlier wife: Cunegonde, widow of Wigeric and Ricuin, and granddaughter of Louis II king of France [Ref: HenryII gisel101 4/24/2008]

There is no definite evidence that Giselbert had another wife before he married Gerberga in 928 or 929. Most historians, including those cited and quoted on the website you checked (Mittlealter-Genealogie), do not accept that Giselbert married twice.
The only basis for naming a previous wife is an undated charter for Echternach abbey given by "Godilda ob amorem Dei et remedium anime domni mei G.i ducis et anime mee" (Godilda for the love of God and for the good of the soul of my lord Duke G[iselbert] and of my own soul).
Camille Wampach in his edition of Echternach documents placed this between 915 and 928, but there is no particular reason for the latter date except his interpretation that by "domnus meus" Godlilda may have meant "my husband". However, Giselbert was named as "dominus" in addition to his relevant titles in at least one other charter, for Stavelot-Malmedy dated 927, where the question of a spouse does not arise and he subscribed with the same formula ("Domno suo et in Christo venerabili viro illustri Giselberto comiti et abbati...S. domnus Giselbertus comes et abba"). [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 8/3/2005-001448]



Pedigree of Giselbert Duke Of Lorraine
                                     /-----Mainier Count Of Sens
                            /-----Gainfrol Count
                           |        |         /-----Haudre Duke
                           |         \-----(Unk Dau)
                   /-----Giselbert, Count In The Massgau
                  |        |                  /-----Aubrey I Count Of Blois
                  |        |                 |        |         /-----Dagobert II King Of Austrasia
                  |        |                 |         \-----Adela
                  |        |                 |                  \-----Machtilde
                  |        |         /-----Aubrey II Count Of Blois
                  |         \-----Theidlindis Of Blois
          /-----Giselbert Count Of Darnau
         |         \-----(Unk) Of Hesbaye
 /-----Regnier I Count Of Hainaut
|        |                                                      /-----Pepin Of Heristal, Mayor Of Palace
|        |                                             /-----Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
|        |                                            |         \-----Aupais
|        |                                    /-----Pepin The Short King Of The Franks
|        |                                   |        |         /-----Lambertus II Of Hesbaye
|        |                                   |         \-----Chrotrudis
|        |                           /-----Charlemagne King Of France
|        |                          |        |                  /-----(Unk Son) Of Bavaria
|        |                          |        |         /-----Caribert Count Of Laon
|        |                          |        |        |         \-----Bertrade De Preum
|        |                          |         \-----Bertha Of Laon, Countess Of Laon
|        |                          |                  \-----Gisele
|        |                  /-----Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
|        |                 |        |                  /-----Agilolf
|        |                 |        |         /-----Gerold I Count In The Anglachau
|        |                 |         \-----Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
|        |                 |                 |                  /-----Houching Duke Of Alamannia
|        |                 |                 |         /-----Hnabi Duke Of Alamannia, Count In The Linzgau
|        |                 |                  \-----Emma
|        |                 |                           \-----Hersuinde
|        |         /-----Lothair I King Of Italy, Emperor Of The West
|        |        |        |                                    /-----Lambertus II Of Hesbaye
|        |        |        |                           /-----Sigramine Count Of Hasbania
|        |        |        |                  /-----Gunderland Count Of Hasbania
|        |        |        |                 |        |         /-----Charles Martel, The Hammer, Mayor Of The Palace, King Of France
|        |        |        |                 |         \-----Landrade
|        |        |        |         /-----Ingerman Count Of Hasbaye
|        |        |         \-----Ermengarde Of Haspengau
|         \-----Ermengarde Of Lorraine
|                 |                                             /-----Adalric Duke Of Alsace
|                 |                                    /-----Adelbert Duke Of Alsace
|                 |                                   |         \-----Bereswinde
|                 |                           /-----Luitfriede I Duke Of Alsace
|                 |                          |        |         /-----Odon
|                 |                          |         \-----Gerlinde
|                 |                          |                  \-----Adele
|                 |                  /-----Luitfriede II Count Of Alsace
|                 |         /-----Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
|                 |        |         \-----Hiltrude
|                  \-----Ermengarde Of Tours
|                           \-----Ava
Giselbert Duke Of Lorraine
 \-----Alberade Of Mons



Descendants of Giselbert Duke Of Lorraine
1. Giselbert Duke Of Lorraine m. Gerberga Of Saxony
m. Gerberga Of Saxony father: Henry I The Fowler King Of The Saxons mother: Mechtilde Of Westfalen

2nd generation

4. Alberade Of Lorraine m. Renaud Count Of Rheims And Roucy
m. Renaud Count Of Rheims And Roucy father: Rogenvald
5. Biletrud Of Lorraine m. Berthold Duke Of Bavaria
m. Berthold Duke Of Bavaria father: Liutpold Margrave Of The Carinthian Mark mother: Kuningunde
6. Gerberga Of Lorraine m. Albert I The Pious Count Of Vermandois
m. Albert I The Pious Count Of Vermandois father: Herbert II Count Of Vermandois mother: Hildebrante/Liegarde/Adela

3rd generation

7. Gisberte De ROUCY m. Fromond II Count Of Sens
m. Fromond II Count Of Sens father: Renaud Count Of Sens
8. Giselbert Count Of Roucy m. (Unk Dau)
m. (Unk Dau) father: Aubri Count Of Macon mother: Ermentrude Of Roucy
10. Ermentrude Of Roucy m1. Aubri Count Of Macon m2. Otto William Count Of Burgundy, Nevers, And Dijon
m. Aubri Count Of Macon father: Lutaud Count Of Macon mother: Ermengarde Of Chalon
m. Otto William Count Of Burgundy, Nevers, And Dijon father: Adalbert Marquess Of Ivrea mother: Gerberga
12. Gui Count Of Soissons m. Adelaide Heiress Of Soissons
m. Adelaide Heiress Of Soissons father: Giselbert Count Of Soissons
13. Herbert III Count Of Vermandois m. Ermengarde Of Bar
m. Ermengarde Of Bar father: Reinald Count Of Bar

4th generation

16. Adele Countess Of Joigny m. Gausfred Count Of Joigny
m. Gausfred Count Of Joigny father: Gilduin Seigneur De Saumur mother: Gerberga
18. Yevette m. Manasses III Count Of Rethel
m. Manasses III Count Of Rethel father: Manasses II Count Of Rethel mother: Judith Of Roucy
19. Lutaud Seigneur De Marle m. Mathilde
m. Mathilde
20. Judith Of Roucy m1. Manasses II Count Of Rethel m2. Herman Count Of Grandpre
m. Manasses II Count Of Rethel father: Manasses I Count Of Rethel
m. Herman Count Of Grandpre father: Hildrade-Hecelin I Count Of Grandpre mother: Hadvide Of Florennes
21. Ebles I Count Of Rheims And Roucy m. Beatrix Of Hainault
m. Beatrix Of Hainault father: Regnier IV Count Of Hainault mother: Hedwig Of France
22. (Unk Dau) m. Giselbert Count Of Roucy
m. Giselbert Count Of Roucy father: Renaud Count Of Rheims And Roucy mother: Alberade Of Lorraine
26. Guy I Count Of Macon m. Adelheid Of Chalons
m. Adelheid Of Chalons father: Lambert Count Of Chalons, Viconte Of Dijon mother: Adelaide Heiress of Chalons
27. Matilda Of Burgundy m. Laundry III Seigneur De Maers And De Monceau
m. Laundry III Seigneur De Maers And De Monceau father: Bodo Seigneur Of Meers
28. Raynald I Count Of Burgundy m. Alice Of Normandy
m. Alice Of Normandy father: Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy mother: Judith Of Brittany
29. Gerberga Of Burgundy m. William II Count Of Aries And Provence
m. William II Count Of Aries And Provence father: William I Count Of Aries And Provence mother: Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou
30. Agnes Of Burgundy m1. William III Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine m2. Geoffrey II Martel Count Of Anjou
m. William III Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine father: William II Fierabras Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine mother: Emma Of Blois
m. Geoffrey II Martel Count Of Anjou father: Fulk III The Black Count Of Anjou mother: Hildegarde Of Metz
31. Aelis m. Nocher II Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube
m. Nocher II Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube father: Nocher I Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube
34. Eudes Count Of Vermandois m. Parvie
m. Parvie

5th generation

38. Hugh I Count Of Rethel m. Malisinde
m. Malisinde father: Guy Seigneur De Montchery And Bray mother: Hodierna De La Ferte
40. Ade De ROUCY, Dame De Marle m1. Aubri Of Beaumont-Sur-Oise m2. Enguerrand I De COUCY, Count Of Amiens
m. Aubri Of Beaumont-Sur-Oise father: Ivo I Count Of Beaumont mother: Emma
m. Enguerrand I De COUCY, Count Of Amiens father: Dreux De BOVES mother: Adele De Coucy
41. Manasses III Count Of Rethel m. Yevette
m. Yevette father: Giselbert Count Of Roucy mother: (Unk Dau)
42. Nenri-Hecelin II Count Of Grandpre m.
43. Ermentrude Of Grandpre m. Gozelo Count Of Montaigu
m. Gozelo Count Of Montaigu
44. Hadwide Of Roucy m. Godefreid IV Of Florennes And Rumigny
m. Godefreid IV Of Florennes And Rumigny father: Godefreid III Of Florennes mother: Gisela
45. Adele De Roucy m. Hildouin III De Rameru, Count Of Montdidier And Roucy
m. Hildouin III De Rameru, Count Of Montdidier And Roucy father: Hildouin II De Rameru mother: Anonima
47. Odo (Bovin) De Nevers, Count Of Vendome m. Adele Countess Of Vendome
m. Adele Countess Of Vendome father: Fulk III The Black Count Of Anjou mother: Elizabeth Of Vermandois
51. Renaud I Count Of Nevers m. Alvais Of France
m. Alvais Of France father: Robert II The Pious King Of France mother: Constance Of Provence
53. William I The Great Count Of Burgundy m. Stephanie Of Barcelona
m. Stephanie Of Barcelona father: Berengar Raimond I Count Of Barcelona mother: Guisle Of Lluca
54. Albreada Of Burgundy m. Robert Guiscard Count Of Apulia And Of Calabr
m. Robert Guiscard Count Of Apulia And Of Calabr father: Tancred Seigneur De Hauteville mother: Fredesina Of Normandy
55. Fulk Bertrad I Count Of Provence m. Hildegarde
m. Hildegarde father: William III Taileffer Count Of Toulouse mother: Emma Of Provence
56. Geoffrey Count Of Provence m. Stephanie De MARSELLA, Countess Of Provence
m. Stephanie De MARSELLA, Countess Of Provence father: Guillermo II De MARSELLA, Vicount Of Marsella mother: Estefania De RIANS
58. Beatrix Of Poitou m. Raymond I Count Of Melgueil
m. Raymond I Count Of Melgueil father: Bernard III Count Of Melgueil mother: Adele
59. Agnes Of Poitou, Duchess Of Bavaria m. Henry III The Black King Of Germany, Emperor
m. Henry III The Black King Of Germany, Emperor father: Conrad II The Salic King Of Germany mother: Gisele Of Swabia
60. William V Peter Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine m. Emisinde Of Longwy
m. Emisinde Of Longwy
61. William VI Geoffrey Count Of Poitou m1. Garsenda Of Perigord m2. Matilda De La Marche m3. Hildegarde Of Burgundy
m. Garsenda Of Perigord father: Andebert II Count Of Perigord mother: Asceline De Salagnac
m. Matilda De La Marche father: Aldebert I Count Of Perigord mother: Almodis Of Limoges
m. Hildegarde Of Burgundy father: Robert The Old Duke Of Burgundy mother: Ermengarde Of Anjou
62. Nocher III Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube m.
63. Renaud Count Of Soissons m.
67. Herbert IV Count Of Vermandois m. Adela De Valois
m. Adela De Valois father: Raoul III The Great Count Of Valois And Vexin mother: Adela