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Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Landulf Bishop Of Mohon
  2. Adelbert Count Of Vermandois Birth: Abt 985 Death: After 1 Feb 1015
  3. Eudes Count Of Vermandois Birth: Abt 990 Death: 25 May 1045

Marriage: Children:
  1. Achender Cleric? Death: After 1016
  2. Odo Death: After 992
  3. Albericue Death: After 1016
  4. Renaud Count Of Tonnerre Birth: Abt 980 Death: 16 Jul 1039

Bibliography
  1. Brandenburg, Erich, Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen, Faksimile-Nachdruck von 1935 (Facsimile reproduction of 1935), mit Korrekturen und Erganzungen versehen von (with corrections and additions provided by) Manfred Dreiss und Lupold v. Lehsten. Neustadt an der Aisch:Verlag Degener, 1995. NYPL ATH (Charlemagne) 96-4768. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p[0-9]*].
  2. Settipani, Christian, De NEVERS. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 12/5/1998. Subject: De NEVERS. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/tN56oJpErhw/m/GQ8G-g2l9-kJ and https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/tN56oJpErhw/m/l0rBQ0WrLvIJ. Author address: inapit at club-internet dot fr. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Christian Settipani SGM 12/5/1998-A].
  3. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. I.1: Die frankischen Konige und die Konige und Kaiser, Stammesherzoge, Kurfursten, Markgrafen und Herzoge des Heiligen Romischen Reiches Deutscher Nation. Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, 1998. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES I.1 #[0-9]*].
  4. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. III.1 (#1-#200): Herzogs und Grafenhauser des Heiligen Romischen Reiches Andere Europaische Furstenhauser. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1984. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES III.1 #[0-9]*].
  5. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. III.4 (#601-#820): Das Feudale Frankreich und sein Einfluss auf die Welt des Mittelalters. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1989. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES III.4 #[0-9]*].
  6. Moriarty, G Andrews, Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III And Queen Philippa. Salt Lake: Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, 1985. LDS Film#0441438. NYPL ARF-86-2555. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/film/007905814?cat=66443. Also available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/66443. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p[0-9]*].
  7. Redlich, Marcellus Donald R Von, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants. Order of the Crown of Charlemagne, 1941. M-LH 929.7 PED v1. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/213795. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Redlich CharlemagneDesc p[0-9()]*].
  8. Settipani, Christian, La prehistore des Capetiens: 481-987. Villeneue d'Asacq: P. Van Kerrebrouck, 1993. NYPL ASF (Capet) 94-7243. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Settipani Capet [p#][0-9]*].
  9. Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9. NYPL ARZ+ (Wallop) (Watney, V. J. Wallop family). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/213421. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Watney WALLOP #[0-9]*].
  10. Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
father:
[Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p4, Moriarty Plantagenet p134, Moriarty Plantagenet p135, Moriarty Plantagenet p240, Moriarty Plantagenet p66, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p120, Weis AR7 #140, Weis AR7 #50]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
parents:
not Bar-sur-Seine, rather dau of Alberic II of Macon (#11817) & second wife [Ref: Christian Settipani SGM 12/5/1998-A]
Sources for death Information
date:
after 1018 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p4, Christian Settipani SGM 12/5/1998-A, Moriarty Plantagenet p134]
after 1035 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p135, Moriarty Plantagenet p65, Moriarty Plantagenet p66]
nach 1018 [Ref: ES III.1 #49]
nach 1021-1043 [Ref: ES I.1 #7]
nach 1035 [Ref: ES III.4 #730]
widow in 1018 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p240]
Sources with Information about marriage to Herbert III Count Of Vermandois
date:
997/1000 [Ref: ES III.1 #49, Moriarty Plantagenet p134, Moriarty Plantagenet p135]
abt 1000 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p4, Moriarty Plantagenet p65, Moriarty Plantagenet p66]
first marriage of Ermengarde [Ref: Christian Settipani SGM 12/5/1998-A]
second marriage of Ermengarde [Ref: Weis AR7 #50]
vor 987 [Ref: ES I.1 #7],
child:
[Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p5, ES I.1 #7, Moriarty Plantagenet p134, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p120, Settipani Capet #8, Watney WALLOP #207, Weis AR7 #140, Weis AR7 #50]
Sources with Information about marriage to Milo Count Of Tonnerre
date:
abt 975 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p65, Moriarty Plantagenet p66]
first marriage of Ermengarde [Ref: ES III.1 #49, Moriarty Plantagenet p134]
second marriage of Ermengarde [Ref: Christian Settipani SGM 12/5/1998-A, ES I.1 #7]
vor XI 992 [Ref: ES III.4 #730],
names:
[Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p135],
child:
[Ref: Christian Settipani SGM 12/5/1998-A, Moriarty Plantagenet p240, Moriarty Plantagenet p65]
Research Notes:



Pedigree of Ermengarde Of Bar
                                     /-----Renaud Vicomte Of Amperrs, Count Of Bar-Sur-Sei
                            /-----(Unk)
                           |        |                           /-----Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
                           |        |                  /-----Rudolph Count Of Ponthieu
                           |        |                 |         \-----Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
                           |        |         /-----Raoul Count Of Lassois
                           |        |        |         \-----Hroudon
                           |         \-----(Unk Dau)
                   /-----(Unk)
          /-----Raoul Count Of Bar-Sur-Seine
 /-----Reinald Count Of Bar
Ermengarde Of Bar



Descendants of Ermengarde Of Bar
1. Ermengarde Of Bar m1. Herbert III Count Of Vermandois m2. Milo Count Of Tonnerre
m. Herbert III Count Of Vermandois father: Albert I The Pious Count Of Vermandois mother: Gerberga Of Lorraine
m. Milo Count Of Tonnerre father: Milo Count Of Toerre mother: Ingeltrudis Of Brienne

2nd generation

4. Eudes Count Of Vermandois m. Parvie
m. Parvie
8. Renaud Count Of Tonnerre m. Helvis/Erwig
m. Helvis/Erwig

3rd generation

12. Herbert IV Count Of Vermandois m. Adela De Valois
m. Adela De Valois father: Raoul III The Great Count Of Valois And Vexin mother: Adela
13. Ermengarde Of Tonnerre m. William I Count Of Nevers
m. William I Count Of Nevers father: Renaud I Count Of Nevers mother: Alvais Of France

4th generation

17. Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess Of Vermandois m1. Hugh Magnus Duke Of France m2. Renaud Count Of Clermont
m. Hugh Magnus Duke Of France father: Henry I King Of France mother: Anne Of Kiev
m. Renaud Count Of Clermont father: Hugh Count Of Clermont mother: Margaret De Roucy
18. Renaud II Count Of Nevers And Auxerre m1. Ida Of Forez m2. Agnes De Baugency
m. Ida Of Forez father: Artald V Count Of Forez mother: Ida Raimonda
m. Agnes De Baugency father: Lanzelin II Seigneur De Baugency mother: Alberga
19. William Count Of Tonnerre m.
20. Ermengarde Of Nevers m. Hubert Vicount Of Beaumont And Maine
m. Hubert Vicount Of Beaumont And Maine father: Raoul V Vicount Of Beaumont And Maine mother: Emma De Montevrault, Dame De Lude

5th generation

23. Agnes Of Vermandois m. Bonifacio Marchess Of Savona And Vesto
m. Bonifacio Marchess Of Savona And Vesto father: Teto II Marchess Of Savona And Vesto mother: Berta
24. Raoul I Count Of Vermandois m1. Eleanor m2. Petronelle Of Poitou m3. Lauretta Of Flanders
m. Eleanor father: Stephen Count Of Blois, Leader Of First Crusade mother: Adela
m. Petronelle Of Poitou father: William VIII Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine mother: Eleanor De CHASTELLERAULT
m. Lauretta Of Flanders father: Thierry Of Lorraine, Count Of Flanders mother: Swanhilde
25. Beatrice Of Vermandois m. Hugh De GOURNAY
m. Hugh De GOURNAY father: Gerold De GOURNAY, Lord Of Gournay-En-Bray mother: Edith De WARENNE
31. Matilda Of Vermandois m. Ralph Seigneur De BAUGENCI
m. Ralph Seigneur De BAUGENCI father: Lanzelin II Seigneur De Baugency mother: Alberga
32. Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester m1. Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester m2. William II De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey
m. Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester father: Roger De Beaumont mother: Adelise Of Meulan
m. William II De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey father: William De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey mother: Gundred
33. Marguerite Of Clermont m1. Charles The Good Of Denmark, Count Of Flanders m2. Hugh III Count Of St. Pol
m. Charles The Good Of Denmark, Count Of Flanders father: Knut IV King Of Denmark mother: Adele Of Flanders
m. Hugh III Count Of St. Pol father: Hugh II Count Of St. Pol mother: Helisande Of Ponthieu
34. Ermengard De Nevers m. Miles Seigneur Of Courtenay
m. Miles Seigneur Of Courtenay father: Jocelin De Courtenay, Seigneur De Courtenay mother: Isabel De Montchery
35. William II Count Of Nevers m. Adele
m. Adele
36. Aldesinde Of Nevers m. Aymon II Vaire-Vache Sire De Bourbon
m. Aymon II Vaire-Vache Sire De Bourbon father: Archambaud IV Le Fort Sire De Bourbon mother: Beliarde
37. Raoul VII Vicount Of Fresnay, Beaumont, And St Suz m. Adenor Of Laval
m. Adenor Of Laval father: Guy II Sire De Laval mother: Denise Of Mortain