Genealogy of the Marshall Family,
including Medieval and Ancient Lines

Updated: 09-30-2024.

Submitted and Maintained by Bill Marshall, bill.marshall@verizon.net.


Additions and corrections appreciated (especially with sources). My current list of sources is here. Homepage here.

Index of Medieval and Ancient Lines is here, notable people here, and Gedcom available to be downloaded.

Index of Modern Lines (immigrants to America and their descendants) is here, notable people here, and Gedcom here.


Individual Page


Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Gerard TALBOT Birth: 1
  2. Geoffrey TALBOT Birth: 2
  3. Hugh TALBOT Birth: 3
  4. Richard TALBOT Birth: 4 Death: Abt 1174

Marriage: Children:
  1. William De SAY Birth: Before 1140 Death: Abt 1 Aug 1177
  2. Geoffrey De SAY Birth: Abt 1140 Death: Abt 19 May 1214

Bibliography
  1. Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 04 Dacre-Dysart. London: St Catherine Press, 1916. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 4 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo04byucoka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IV [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  5. D'Alton, John, History of the County of Dublin, Dublin: Hodges & Smith, 1838. Available at http://books.google.com/books?id=cGANAAAAYAAJ Information from this source tagged as [Ref: D'Alton Dublin p[0-9]*].
  6. Fowler, G Herbert, Mandeville, Fitz Geoffrey, and Beauchamp of Eaton, in The Genealogist, New Series, v29 (Oct 1912). NYPL *ZAN-G233 Reels 18-32. LDS Film#086970. Journal available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/14199. Article available at https://familysearch.org/search/film/008649244 images 259-262. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Fowler Mandeville p[0-9]*].
  7. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol II: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 2002. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 2. Corrections at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p[0-9]*].
  8. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  9. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].
  10. Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9. NYPL ARZ+ (Wallop) (Watney, V. J. Wallop family). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/213421. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Watney WALLOP #[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
abt 1105 (age 80 in 1185) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561]
age 80 in 1185 [Ref: CP V p121(b)],
parents:
[Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p568 (with corr on proposon web site), Richardson RoyalAnc v4p560],
father:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1829, CP IV AppH p669, CP V p116f, CP XI p465, Fowler Mandeville p85, Sanders Baronies p71, Watney WALLOP #647],
brother:
Earl Geoffrey de Mandeville [Ref: CP XI p464]
first Earl of Essex [Ref: CP V p120]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
father:
Geoffrey de MANDEVILLE (#10467) [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p1123]
Sources for death Information
date:
19 Apr 1197 [Ref: Watney WALLOP #647, Watney WALLOP #883]
19 Apr in or before 1197 [Ref: CP V p116f, CP V p122, CP XI p465, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561],
place:
prob at Rinkling, Essex [Ref: CP V p122, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561]
Sources for burial Information
place:
[Ref: CP V p122, CP XI p465, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561]
Sources with Information about marriage to Hugh TALBOT
date:
first marriage of Beatrice [Ref: CP V p116f, CP V p120, CP XI p464, Keats-Rohan DD p568 (with corr on proposon web site), Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561]
first marriage of Hugh [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p1123],
divorced:
[Ref: CP V p116f, CP V p120, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561]
by 1143 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p1123],
names:
Hugh TALBOT & dau William de MANDEVILLE [Ref: D'Alton Dublin p198],
child:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1829, D'Alton Dublin p198, Keats-Rohan DD p1123]
Sources with Information about marriage to William De SAY
date:
second marriage of Beatrice [Ref: CP V p116f, CP V p120, CP XI p464, Keats-Rohan DD p568 (with corr on proposon web site), Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561],
names:
[Ref: Watney WALLOP #647],
child:
[Ref: CP IV AppH p669, CP V p116f, CP V p120, CP V p121, CP XI p465, Fowler Mandeville p85, Keats-Rohan DD p681, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561, Sanders Baronies p71(6), Sanders Baronies p71, Watney WALLOP #883]
Research Notes:
The Earl [likely Geoffrey de Mandeville, her brother] is said to have brought her to England for the marriage to William de SAY [Ref: CP XI p465]

heir to her father, brother, and nephew [Ref: CP XI p465(a)]

1189: heiress to her nephew, William de Mandeville, 3rd Earl of Essex [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561]

inherited Barony of Pleshy from nephew [Ref: Sanders Baronies p71]

1189: after death s.p of her nephew William de Mandeville, Earl of Essex, a large part of the Mandeville estates passed to the Say family [Ref: CP XI p465(a)]



Pedigree of Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
          /-----Geoffrey De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
 /-----William De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
|         \-----Athelaise
Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
|                  /-----Hubert De Ryes
|         /-----Eudo De RIE, Dapifer
 \-----Margaret RIE
         |                                                      /-----Hrolfr (Rollo) Duke Of Normandy
         |                                             /-----William Longspee Duke Of Normandy
         |                                            |         \-----Poppa
         |                                    /-----Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
         |                                   |         \-----Espriota
         |                           /-----Godfrey Count Of Brionne
         |                          |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
         |                          |         \-----Gunnora
         |                  /-----Gilbert Count Of Brionne
         |         /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
          \-----Rohais
                  |                  /-----Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
                  |         /-----Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
                  |        |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
                  |        |         \-----Wevie
                   \-----Rohese GIFFARD
                           |         /-----Gerard De FLEITELL
                            \-----Ermengarde FLATEL



Descendants of Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
1. Beatrice De MANDEVILLE m1. Hugh TALBOT m2. William De SAY
m. Hugh TALBOT father: Richard TALBOT mother: (Unk dau) De GOURNAY
m. William De SAY father: Jordan De SAY mother: Lucy De RUMILLY

2nd generation

5. Richard TALBOT m. (Unk dau) De BULMER
m. (Unk dau) De BULMER father: Stephen De BULMER mother: Cecily De MUSCHAMP
6. William De SAY m. Aufrica
m. Aufrica father: William The Lion King Of Scots
7. Geoffrey De SAY m1. Alice De CHESNEY m2. Alice De VERE
m. Alice De CHESNEY father: John De CHESNEY mother: Sibil
m. Alice De VERE father: Aubrey III De VERE, Earl Of Oxford mother: Agnes Lucia Of Essex

3rd generation

8. Gilbert TALBOT m.
9. William De SAY m.
10. Beatrice De SAY m. Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
m. Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex father: Piers De LUTEGARESHALE mother: Maud
11. Maud De Say m. Sir William De BOCLANDE
m. Sir William De BOCLANDE father: Hugh De BOCLANDE mother: Maud
13. Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m. Hawise De CLARE
m. Hawise De CLARE father: Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety mother: Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
14. Geoffrey De SAY m1. m2. Margaret De BRIWERE m3. Aline
m. Margaret De BRIWERE father: Sir William De BRIWERE, Baron Of Horsley mother: Beatrice De VALLE
m. Aline

4th generation

15. Richard TALBOT m. Aline BASSET
m. Aline BASSET father: Sir Alan BASSET mother: Aline De GAI
16. Aufrica De SAY m.
20. Maud FITZ GEOFFREY De MANDEVILLE m1. Henry De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford, MC Surety m2. Roger De DAUNTSEY
m. Henry De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford, MC Surety father: Humphrey IV De BOHUN, Baron Of Trowbridge mother: Margaret Of Huntingdon
m. Roger De DAUNTSEY
22. Maud De BOCLANDE m. William D'AVRANCHES, Baron Of Folkestone
m. William D'AVRANCHES, Baron Of Folkestone father: Simon D'AVRANCHES, Baron Of Folkestone
24. Joan De BOCLANDE m1. William MUSARD m2. Robert De FERRERS m3. Geoffrey D'AVRANCHES
m. William MUSARD father: Richard MUSARD, Baron Of Staveley
m. Robert De FERRERS father: William FERRERS, Earl Of Derby mother: Sibyl De BRAOISE
m. Geoffrey D'AVRANCHES
25. Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m1. Sibyl m2. Mary
m. Sibyl
m. Mary

5th generation

31. Gilbert TALBOT m. Gwenthlian MECHYLL
m. Gwenthlian MECHYLL father: Rhys MECHYLL
33. Agatha m. (Unk) De MANDEVILLE
m. (Unk) De MANDEVILLE
35. Humphrey V De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex m1. Maud D'EU m2. Maud De AVENBURY
m. Maud D'EU father: Raoul I De LUSIGNAN, Count D'Eu mother: Alice D'EU, Countess Of Eu, Lady Of Hastings
m. Maud De AVENBURY father: (Unk) De AVENBURY
36. Maud D'AVRANCHES m. Hamon De CREVEQUER, Baron Of Chatham
m. Hamon De CREVEQUER, Baron Of Chatham father: Robert De CREVEQUER, Baron Of Chatham
39. Agnes De SAY m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE
m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE father: Alexander De CHEYNE
40. (Unk) De SAY m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley
m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley father: Sir Bartholomew De SUDELEY, Baron Of Sudeley mother: Joan De BEAUCHAMP
41. Hawise De SAY m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering
m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering father: Sir William MARSHAL mother: Pernel Del ORTIAY
42. John De SAY m. Mary
m. Mary
43. Alice De SAY m. William De La FORDE
m. William De La FORDE father: Laurence De La FORDE
44. William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m. Elizabeth
m. Elizabeth