Individual Page


Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. William De SAY
  2. Beatrice De SAY Birth: 1 Death: Before 19 Apr 1197
  3. Maud De Say Birth: 2 Death: Abt 28 Mar 1222

Bibliography
  1. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 04 Dacre-Dysart. London: St Catherine Press, 1916. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 4 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo04byucoka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IV [Ap][p0-9].*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 06 Gordon-Huntley. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP VI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  5. Phillips, Chris, Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP++ .*].
  6. Foss, Edward, Biographia Juridica, Biographical Dictionary of the Judges of England, London: John Murray, 1870. Available at https://books.google.com/books?id=O0oBAAAAQAAJ Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Foss Judges p[0-9]*].
  7. Fowler, G Herbert, Mandeville, Fitz Geoffrey, and Beauchamp of Eaton, in The Genealogist, New Series, v29 (Oct 1912). NYPL *ZAN-G233 Reels 18-32. LDS Film#086970. Journal available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/14199. Article available at https://familysearch.org/search/film/008649244 images 259-262. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Fowler Mandeville p[0-9]*].
  8. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol II: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 2002. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 2. Corrections at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p[0-9]*].
  9. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1[pc][0-9]*].
  10. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
  11. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  12. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].
  13. Sheppard, Walter Lee, Royal Bye-Blows III: Illegitimate Descendants of the Scottish Kings to James VI, in NEHGR v122 (Oct 1968) pp265-274. Available at http://americanancestors.org/databases/new-england-historical-and-genealogical-register/image Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sheppard RoyalByeBlowsIII p[0-9]*].
  14. Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9. NYPL ARZ+ (Wallop) (Watney, V. J. Wallop family). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/213421. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Watney WALLOP #[0-9]*].
  15. Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].
  16. Weis, Frederick L, Magna Charta Sureties 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna Charta and Some of Their Descendants. 4th Ed. Baltimore: Gen Pub Co, 1991. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis MC #[0-9][0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
before 1140 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561]
first son [Ref: CP V p116f, CP V p120, CP XI p465, Keats-Rohan DD p681, Sanders Baronies p71(6)],
parents:
[Ref: CP IV AppH p669, CP V p116f, CP V p120, CP XI p465, Fowler Mandeville p85, Keats-Rohan DD p681, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561, Sanders Baronies p71(6), Sanders Baronies p71, Watney WALLOP #883]
Sources for death Information
date:
117 [Ref: CP V p120]
1177 [Ref: Sanders Baronies p71, Watney WALLOP #883]
before 1 Aug 1177 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p681]
before 8 Mar 1197/8 [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p470)]
shortly before 1 Aug 1177 [Ref: CP V p116f, CP XI p465, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561]
Sources with Information about marriage to Aufrica
place:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p590],
names:
[Ref: Sheppard RoyalByeBlowsIII p266]
William de SAY & unidentified wife [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561],
child:
[Ref: CP V p116f, CP V p121, CP V p123, Keats-Rohan DD p681, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p590, Watney WALLOP #401, Watney WALLOP #883, Weis AR7 #97, Weis MC #160]
Research Notes:
of Kimbolton, Huntingdonshire, and Saham, Norfolk [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p510, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561]
of Kimbolton, Hunts, and Saham, Norfolk [Ref: CP V p120, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p178]

heir of his father [Ref: CP XI p465, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561]

abt 1155: succeeded his father, appears in Pipe Rolls [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p681]

d.s.p.m, left two daughters [Ref: CP XI p465, CP XI p465(j)]

heir was his brother Geoffrey [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p681]



Pedigree of William De SAY
                   /-----William De SAY
          /-----Jordan De SAY
         |        |                  /-----Robert De Grentmesnil
         |        |         /-----Hugh De Grantmesnil, Baron Of Leicester
         |        |        |        |         /-----Girole De Echafour
         |        |        |         \-----Hawise De Echafour
         |        |        |                 |         /-----Thursten De Bastenburgh
         |        |        |                  \-----Gisela De Bastenburgh
         |         \-----Agnes De GRANDMESNIL
         |                 |                                    /-----Ivo
         |                 |                           /-----Ivo Count Of Belemontensis
         |                 |                  /-----Ivo I Count Of Beaumont
         |                 |         /-----Ivo II Count Of Beaumont
         |                 |        |         \-----Emma
         |                  \-----Adeliza Of Beaumont
         |                           \-----Judith
 /-----William De SAY
|        |                  /-----Rainfred De RUMILLY
|        |         /-----Robert De RUMILLY, Baron Of Skipton
|         \-----Lucy De RUMILLY
William De SAY
|                  /-----Geoffrey De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
|         /-----William De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
|        |         \-----Athelaise
 \-----Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
         |                  /-----Hubert De Ryes
         |         /-----Eudo De RIE, Dapifer
          \-----Margaret RIE
                  |                                             /-----William Longspee Duke Of Normandy
                  |                                    /-----Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
                  |                                   |         \-----Espriota
                  |                           /-----Godfrey Count Of Brionne
                  |                          |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
                  |                          |         \-----Gunnora
                  |                  /-----Gilbert Count Of Brionne
                  |         /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
                   \-----Rohais
                           |                  /-----Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
                           |         /-----Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
                           |        |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
                           |        |         \-----Wevie
                            \-----Rohese GIFFARD
                                    |         /-----Gerard De FLEITELL
                                     \-----Ermengarde FLATEL



Descendants of William De SAY
1. William De SAY m. Aufrica
m. Aufrica father: William The Lion King Of Scots

2nd generation

2. William De SAY m.
3. Beatrice De SAY m. Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
m. Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex father: Piers De LUTEGARESHALE mother: Maud
4. Maud De Say m. Sir William De BOCLANDE
m. Sir William De BOCLANDE father: Hugh De BOCLANDE mother: Maud

3rd generation

5. Aufrica De SAY m.
9. Maud FITZ GEOFFREY De MANDEVILLE m1. Henry De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford, MC Surety m2. Roger De DAUNTSEY
m. Henry De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford, MC Surety father: Humphrey IV De BOHUN, Baron Of Trowbridge mother: Margaret Of Huntingdon
m. Roger De DAUNTSEY
11. Maud De BOCLANDE m. William D'AVRANCHES, Baron Of Folkestone
m. William D'AVRANCHES, Baron Of Folkestone father: Simon D'AVRANCHES, Baron Of Folkestone
13. Joan De BOCLANDE m1. William MUSARD m2. Robert De FERRERS m3. Geoffrey D'AVRANCHES
m. William MUSARD father: Richard MUSARD, Baron Of Staveley
m. Robert De FERRERS father: William FERRERS, Earl Of Derby mother: Sibyl De BRAOISE
m. Geoffrey D'AVRANCHES

4th generation

14. Agatha m. (Unk) De MANDEVILLE
m. (Unk) De MANDEVILLE
16. Humphrey V De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex m1. Maud D'EU m2. Maud De AVENBURY
m. Maud D'EU father: Raoul I De LUSIGNAN, Count D'Eu mother: Alice D'EU, Countess Of Eu, Lady Of Hastings
m. Maud De AVENBURY father: (Unk) De AVENBURY
17. Maud D'AVRANCHES m. Hamon De CREVEQUER, Baron Of Chatham
m. Hamon De CREVEQUER, Baron Of Chatham father: Robert De CREVEQUER, Baron Of Chatham

5th generation

21. Humphrey VI De BOHUN m1. Eleanor De BRAIOSE m2. Joan De QUINCY
m. Eleanor De BRAIOSE father: William De BRAIOSE, Baron Of Brecknock Castle mother: Eve MARSHALL
m. Joan De QUINCY father: Robert De QUINCY, Lord Of Ware mother: Elen
26. Alice De BOHUN m. Roger V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
m. Roger V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead father: Ralph VI De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead mother: Petronilla De LACY
27. Eleanor De BOHUN m. John De VERDUN
m. John De VERDUN father: Theobald Le BOTELER mother: Rohese De VERDUN
29. Sir John De BOHUN m. Joan De BATHE
m. Joan De BATHE father: John De BATHE mother: Eleanor De AMBLIE
31. Hamon De CREVEQUER m. Alice
m. Alice
33. Agnes De CREVEQUER m. John De SANDWICH
m. John De SANDWICH
34. Iseult De CREVEQUER m. Nicholas De LENHAM
m. Nicholas De LENHAM
35. Eleanor De CREVEQUER m. Bertram De CRIOL
m. Bertram De CRIOL father: John De CRIOL mother: Maud De EASTWELL