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Banks, Thomas Christopher, Baronia anglica concentrata: or, A concentrated account of all the baronies commonly called baronies in fee; deriving their origin from writ of summons, and not from any specific limited creation. London: Simpkin, 1844. Available at https://archive.org/details/baroniaanglicaco01bankuoft. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Banks Baronies v[1-2]p[0-9]*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 06 Gordon-Huntley. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP VI [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
- date:
- abt 1373 (age 2 in 1375) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]
- age 2 in 1375 [Ref: CP XI p478],
- parents:
- [Ref: Banks Baronies v1p135, CP XI p478, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]
Sources for death Information
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- [Ref: CP V p251, CP VI p493, CP XI p478, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]
Research Notes:
4th Lord Say, of Barony cr 1313 [Ref: CP XI p478]
4th Lord Say [Ref: CP V p251 (with corr in XIV p316), CP VI p493 (with corr in
XIV p382), Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]
of Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, Boxsted and Streat, Sussex, etc [Ref:
Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]
heir of his father [Ref: CP XI p478, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p571]
died a minor in the King's ward [Ref: CP V p251]
d.s.p [Ref: CP V p251]
heir was his sister, Elizabeth [Ref: CP V p251, CP XI p478]
Pedigree of John De SAY, Lord Say
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William De SAY
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Geoffrey De SAY
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Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
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Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
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John De CHESNEY
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Alice De CHESNEY
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Sibil
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Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
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Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
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Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety
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Maud St. HILLARY
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Hawise De CLARE
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William Meullant FITZ ROBERT, Earl Of Gloucester
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Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
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Hawise DeBEAUMONT
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William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
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Sibyl
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Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
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Elizabeth
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Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
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Philip De LEYBURN
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Robet De LEYBURN
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Amy FITZGEROLD
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Roger De LEYBURN
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Margaret
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Roger De LEYBURN
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Robert De TURNHAM
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Stephen De TURNHAM
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Eleanor De TURNHAM
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Ranulf De BROC
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Edeline De BROC
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Damietta De GORAM
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William De LEYBURN, Lord Leyburn
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Idoine De LEYBURN
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Simon De SANDWICH
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Sir Henry De SANDWICH
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Juliane De SANDWICH
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William De Auberville
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Hugh De Auberville
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Maud De GLANVILLE
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William De AUBERVILLE
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Joan De AUBERVILLE
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William De SAY, Lord Say
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William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
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William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
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Bertha BRAOS
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Walter De BEAUCHAMP
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Sir Thomas De St VALERIE
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Joan De St VALERIE
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William BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Elmsley Castle
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Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Roger De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Maud De MESCHINES
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Joan MORTIMER
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Walkeline FERRERS, Lord Of Oakham
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Isabel De FERRIERS
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William De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
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William III MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
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Robert MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
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Isabel De St LIZ
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William IV MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
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Thurstan BASSET
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Isabel BASSET
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Isabel MAUDUIT
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Roger De Newburgh, Earl Of Warwick
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Waleran Beaumont De Newbourge, Earl Of Warwick
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Gundred De WARENNE, Countess Of Warwick
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Alice De NEWBOURGE
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Robert De Harcourt
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Alice De Harcourt
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Millicent De Camville
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Sir Guy De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
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Piers De LUTEGARESHALE
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Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
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Maud
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Sir John FITZ GEOFFREY
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Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
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Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
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Adeliza Le MESCHIN
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Aveline De CLARE
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James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
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Maud St. HILLARY
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Aveline
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Maud FITZJOHN
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Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk And Suffolk
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Roger BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
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Juliana VERE
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Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
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Ralph V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Ida Countess Of Norfolk
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Margaret De BEAUMONT
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Isabel BIGOD
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John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
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Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke
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Sibyl De SALISBURY
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Maud MARSHALL
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Richard "Strongbow" De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
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Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke
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Aoife Macmurchada Of Leinster
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Maud De BEAUCHAMP
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Ralph V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Roger IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Margaret De BEAUMONT
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Ralph VI De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Richard I De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine
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Constance De BEAUMONT
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Lucie De L'AIGLE
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Roger V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Hugh De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
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Walter De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
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Roheis De MONMOUTH
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Petronilla De LACY
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Margaret De BRAOISE
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Matilda De ST VALERIE De HAIA
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Ralph VII De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Humphrey IV De BOHUN, Baron Of Trowbridge
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Henry De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford, MC Surety
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Margaret Of Huntingdon
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Humphrey V De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex
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Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
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Maud FITZ GEOFFREY De MANDEVILLE
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Beatrice De SAY
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Alice De BOHUN
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Hugh Sire De Lusignan
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Raoul I De LUSIGNAN, Count D'Eu
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Orengarde
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Maud D'EU
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Henry Count D'Eu, Baron Of Hastings
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Alice D'EU, Countess Of Eu, Lady Of Hastings
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Maud De WARENNE
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Alice De TOENI
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Mary
John De SAY, Lord Say
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Bertha Of Hereford
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William De BRAOSE, Lord Of Gower
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Bernard De St VALERY, Baron Of Beckley
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Matilda De ST VALERIE De HAIA
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Matilda
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John De BRAOSE, Baron Of Bramber
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Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
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Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety
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Maud St. HILLARY
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Matilda DE CLARE
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William Meullant FITZ ROBERT, Earl Of Gloucester
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Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
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Hawise DeBEAUMONT
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William De BREUSE, Lord Breuse
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Owain Gwynedd Prince Of Gwynedd
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Iorworth Drwyndwn Prince Of Gwynedd
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Gladys Ferch Llywarch
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Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH, Prince Of North Wales
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Madog Ap Maredudd, Prince Of Powys Fadog
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Margred Ferch Madog
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Susanna Ferch Gruffudd Ap Cynan
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Margaret Of Wales
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Henry II Curt Mantel PLANTAGENET, King Of England
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John Lackland PLANTAGENET, King Of England
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Eleanor Duchess Of Aquitaine
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Joan
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William FERRERS, Earl Of Derby
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Agatha De FERRERS
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Sibyl De BRAOISE
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Sir Piers De BREUSE
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Everhard De ROS, Baron Of Helmsley
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Robert De ROS, Magna Charta Surety
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Roysia TRUSSEBUT
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Sir William De ROS, Baron Of Helmsley
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William The Lion King Of Scots
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Isabel Of Scotland
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Isabel AVERNAL
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Sir Robert De ROS, Baron Of Helmsley
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Herbert FITZ HERBERT
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Piers FITZ HERBERT
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Lucy Of Hereford
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Lucia FITZ PIERS
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Robert FITZ ROGER, Baron Of Whalton
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Alice De WARKWORTH
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Margery De CHESNEY, Lady Of Horsford
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Mary De ROS
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William II Le Breton D'ALBINI, Lord Of Belvoir
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William D'ALBINI, Lord Of Belvoir, MC Surety
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Maud FITZ ROBERT
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William D'ALBINI, Baron Of Belvoir
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Odinel De UMFRAVILLE, Baron Of Prudhoe
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Margery De UMFRAVILLE
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Alice De LUCY
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Isabel D'ALBINI
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Isabel
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Sir Thomas De BREWOSE, Lord Brewose
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Agnes De CLIFFORD
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Beatrice De BREWOSE
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Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Roger De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Maud De MESCHINES
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Ralph MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Walkeline FERRERS, Lord Of Oakham
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Isabel De FERRIERS
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Sir Roger MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Iorworth Drwyndwn Prince Of Gwynedd
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Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH, Prince Of North Wales
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Margred Ferch Madog
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Gladys DHU
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Llywarch Goch
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Tangwystl Of Rhos
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Sir Edmund De MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Reginald De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Matilda De ST VALERIE De HAIA
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William De BRAIOSE, Baron Of Brecknock Castle
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Sir William De BRIWERE, Baron Of Horsley
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Gracia De BRIWERE
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Beatrice De VALLE
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Maud De BRAOISE
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John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
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Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke
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Sibyl De SALISBURY
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Eve MARSHALL
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Richard "Strongbow" De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
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Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke
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Aoife Macmurchada Of Leinster
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Sir Roger MORTIMER, Earl Of March
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Ingleman De FIENNES
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William De FIENNES
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Sybilla De BOULOGNE
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Sir Ingleman FIENNES, K.B., Lord Of Wendover
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Alberic II De DAMMARTIN, Count Of Dammartin
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Agnes De DAMMARTIN
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Maud Of Clermont
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Sir William FIENNES
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Roger Lord Of Conde-En-Partie
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Nicolas Lord Of Balliol
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Alix Of Mons
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Isabel Of Conde
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Arnoul IV Lord Of Morialme
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Elisabeth Of Morialme
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Margaret FIENNES
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Erard II Count Of Brienne
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Jean De BRIENNE, King Of Jerusalem
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Agnes De MONTFAUCON
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Jean De BRIENNE, Grand Butler Of France
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Alfonso IX King Of Leon
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Berengaria Of Leon
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Berengaria Of Castile
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Blanche De BRIENNE, Lady Of Loupeland
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Geoffroy V Vicount Of Chateaudun
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Geoffrey VI Vicomte De Chateaudun
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Adele Of Nevers
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Jeanne Dame De Chateau Du Loir
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William Of Roches, Seneschall Of Anjou
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Clemence Of Roches
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Marguerite Dame Of Sable
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Beatrice MORTIMER
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Geoffrey III Seneschall Of Champagne
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Geoffrey IV Seneschall Of Champagne
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Felicite Of Brienne
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Simon De JOINVILLE, Seigneur De Joinville
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William Seigneur De Dampierre, Constable Of Cham
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Helvide Of Dampierre
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Ermengarde
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Sir Geoffrey De GENEVILLE, Lord Geneville
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Stephen II Count Of Auxonne
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Stephen III Count Of Auxonne
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Judith Of Lorraine
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Beatrix Of Auxonne
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Guillaume II Count Of Chalon
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Beatrix Of Thiers-Chalon
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Sir Piers De GENEVILLE, Baron Of Trim
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Hugh De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
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Walter De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
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Roheis De MONMOUTH
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Gilbert De LACY
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Margaret De BRAOISE
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Matilda De ST VALERIE De HAIA
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Maud LACY
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Roger BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
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Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
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Ida Countess Of Norfolk
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Isabel BIGOD
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Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke
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Maud MARSHALL
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Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke
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Joan De GENEVILLE, Countess Of March
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Hugh IX De Lusignan, Sire De Lusignan
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Hugh X De Lusignan, Count Of La Marche
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Agatha De Preuilly
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Hugh XI Le Brun De Lusignan
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Aymer Tailefer, Count Of Angouleme
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Isabel Of Angouleme
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Alice De Courtenay
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Hugh XII De Lusignan, Count De La Marche
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Robert II Count Of Dreux
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Pierre De DREUX, Count Of Brittany
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Yolande De COUCY
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Yolande De DREUX
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Gui De THOUARS, Count Of Brittany
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Alix De THOUARS, Duchess Of Brittany
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Constance Countess Of Brittany
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Joan De LUSIGNAN
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William De FOUGERES
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Geoffrey De Fougers, Seigneur Of Fougeres
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Agatha Du HUMMET
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Raoul Seigneur De Fougers
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Eudo Count Of Porhoet
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Maud Of Porhoet
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Margaret
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Joanne De Fougers
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Maurice II Sire De Craon
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Amaury I De CRAON, Sire De Craon
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Isabella De BEAUMONT
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Isabel De CRAON
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William Of Roches, Seneschall Of Anjou
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Jeanne De Roches
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Marguerite Dame Of Sable
Descendants of John De SAY, Lord Say