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Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Juliane De SAY Death: 20 Feb 1329
  2. Katherine De SAY Death: After 29 Sep 1355
  3. Isabel De SAY
  4. Sir Roger De SAY Birth: 2 Death: After 1355
  5. Ralph De SAY Birth: 3 Death: After 31 Mar 1321
  6. Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say Birth: 30 Apr 1305 Death: 26 Jun 1359

Bibliography
  1. Banks, Thomas Christopher, Baronia anglica concentrata: or, A concentrated account of all the baronies commonly called baronies in fee; deriving their origin from writ of summons, and not from any specific limited creation. London: Simpkin, 1844. Available at https://archive.org/details/baroniaanglicaco01bankuoft. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Banks Baronies v[1-2]p[0-9]*].
  2. Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 09, Moels-Nugent. London: St Catherine Press, 1936. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IX [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 07 Hussee-Lincolnshire. London: St Catherine Press, 1929. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP VII [Ap][p0-9].*].
  5. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  6. Foss, Edward, Biographia Juridica, Biographical Dictionary of the Judges of England, London: John Murray, 1870. Available at https://books.google.com/books?id=O0oBAAAAQAAJ Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Foss Judges p[0-9]*].
  7. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p[0-9]*].
  8. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  9. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
abt 1279-81 (age 14 or 16 in 1295) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p568]
age 14 in 23 Edw I [Ref: Foss Judges p589]
reached his majority in 1303 [Ref: Sanders Baronies p98],
parents:
[Ref: CP XI p474, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p567],
father:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, CP VII p637(f), Foss Judges p589, Sanders Baronies p98]
Sources for death Information
date:
1321-2 [Ref: Foss Judges p589]
1322 [Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, Sanders Baronies p98]
before 3 Mar 1321/2 [Ref: CP XI p475]
shortly before 3 Mar 1321/2 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p568]
Sources with Information about marriage to Idoine De LEYBURN
date:
between 28 Dec 1295 (grant of his marriage) and 1305 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p568],
names:
[Ref: CP VII p637(f), CP VII p640],
child:
[Ref: CP IX p756, CP XI p350, CP XI p475(g), CP XI p475, Foss Judges p589, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p101, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p568]
Research Notes:
1st Lord Say, of Barony cr 1313 [Ref: CP XI p474]
1st Lord Say [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p101, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p567]
Lord Say [Ref: CP IX p756]

Knt, of West Greenwich, Birling, Burham, and Cudham, Kent, Sawbridgeworth and Pishobury (in Sawbridgeworth), Hertfordshire, Edmonton, Middlesex, Long Stratton, Norfolk, etc [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p568]

heir of his father [Ref: CP VII p637(f), CP XI p474, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p568]

inherited Barony of West Greenwich from father [Ref: Sanders Baronies p97]



Pedigree of Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
                                                       /-----William De SAY
                                              /-----Jordan De SAY
                                             |        |         /-----Hugh De Grantmesnil, Baron Of Leicester
                                             |         \-----Agnes De GRANDMESNIL
                                             |                  \-----Adeliza Of Beaumont
                                     /-----William De SAY
                                    |        |                  /-----Rainfred De RUMILLY
                                    |        |         /-----Robert De RUMILLY, Baron Of Skipton
                                    |         \-----Lucy De RUMILLY
                            /-----Geoffrey De SAY
                           |        |                  /-----Geoffrey De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
                           |        |         /-----William De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
                           |        |        |         \-----Athelaise
                           |         \-----Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
                           |                 |                  /-----Hubert De Ryes
                           |                 |         /-----Eudo De RIE, Dapifer
                           |                  \-----Margaret RIE
                           |                          |         /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
                           |                           \-----Rohais
                           |                                    \-----Rohese GIFFARD
                   /-----Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
                  |        |                                    /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
                  |        |                           /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
                  |        |                  /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
                  |        |                 |         \-----Matilda
                  |        |         /-----John De CHESNEY
                  |        |        |        |                  /-----Gilbert De MAMINOT, Bishop Of Lisieux
                  |        |        |        |         /-----Hugh MAMINOT, Baron Of West Greenwich
                  |        |        |         \-----Alice MAMINOT
                  |        |        |                 |         /-----(Unk) PEVEREL
                  |        |        |                  \-----(Unk) PEVEREL
                  |         \-----Alice De CHESNEY
                  |                  \-----Sibil
          /-----Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
         |        |                                             /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
         |        |                                    /-----Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
         |        |                                   |         \-----Rohese GIFFARD
         |        |                           /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
         |        |                          |        |         /-----Hugh Count Of Clermont
         |        |                          |         \-----Adeliza De CLERMONT
         |        |                          |                  \-----Margaret De Roucy
         |        |                  /-----Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
         |        |                 |        |                  /-----Ranulph II De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
         |        |                 |        |         /-----Ranulph III De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester
         |        |                 |        |        |         \-----Margaret Le Goz
         |        |                 |         \-----Adeliza Le MESCHIN
         |        |                 |                 |         /-----Thorold Of Buckingham, Sheriff Of Lincoln
         |        |                 |                  \-----Lucia Of East Angies
         |        |                 |                           \-----(Unk Dau)
         |        |         /-----Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety
         |        |        |        |                           /-----Eudo De St James
         |        |        |        |                  /-----Hasculf De St JAMES, Baron Of Field Dalling
         |        |        |        |         /-----James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
         |        |        |        |        |         \-----Matilda
         |        |        |         \-----Maud St. HILLARY
         |        |        |                  \-----Aveline
         |         \-----Hawise De CLARE
         |                 |                                    /-----William The Conqueror King Of England
         |                 |                           /-----Henry I Beauclerc King Of England
         |                 |                          |         \-----Maud Of Flanders
         |                 |                  /-----Robert The Consul De CAEN, Earl Of Gloucester
         |                 |         /-----William Meullant FITZ ROBERT, Earl Of Gloucester
         |                 |        |        |                  /-----Hamon Sheriff Of Kent
         |                 |        |        |         /-----Robert FITZ HAMOND, Lord Of Tewkesbury
         |                 |        |         \-----Maud FITZ HAMOND
         |                 |        |                 |         /-----Roger De Montgomery, Earl Of Shrewsbury
         |                 |        |                  \-----Sybil De Montgomery
         |                 |        |                           \-----Mabel De Belesme
         |                  \-----Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
         |                          |                           /-----Roger De Beaumont
         |                          |                  /-----Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
         |                          |                 |         \-----Adelise Of Meulan
         |                          |         /-----Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
         |                          |        |        |         /-----Hugh Magnus Duke Of France
         |                          |        |         \-----Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
         |                          |        |                  \-----Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess Of Vermandois
         |                           \-----Hawise DeBEAUMONT
         |                                   |                  /-----Ralph De Gael De Montfort, Earl Of Norfolk
         |                                   |         /-----Ralph De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort-Gael
         |                                   |        |         \-----Emma Fitz Osbern
         |                                    \-----Amicia De Gael
 /-----William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
|         \-----Sibyl
Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
 \-----Elizabeth



Descendants of Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
1. Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say m. Idoine De LEYBURN
m. Idoine De LEYBURN father: William De LEYBURN, Lord Leyburn mother: Juliane De SANDWICH

2nd generation

2. Juliane De SAY m. Roger De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode
m. Roger De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode father: John De NORTHWODE mother: Agnes De GRANDISON
3. Katherine De SAY m. John De St JOHN, Lord St John Of Lageham
m. John De St JOHN, Lord St John Of Lageham father: John De St JOHN, Lord St John Of Lageham mother: Margery
7. Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say m. Maud De BEAUCHAMP
m. Maud De BEAUCHAMP father: Sir Guy De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick mother: Alice De TOENI

3rd generation

11. John De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode m. Joan HERT
m. Joan HERT father: Robert HERT
15. Idonea De SAY m. Sir John CLINTON, Lord Clinton
m. Sir John CLINTON, Lord Clinton father: John CLINTON, Lord Clinton mother: Margarey CORBET
16. Joan De SAY m1. Sir William FIENNES m2. Stephen De VALOINES
m. Sir William FIENNES father: Sir John FIENNES mother: Maud De MONCEUX
m. Stephen De VALOINES
17. Elizabeth De SAY m. Thomas De ALDOUN
m. Thomas De ALDOUN father: Sir Thomas De ALDOUN
20. William De SAY, Lord Say m. Beatrice De BREWOSE
m. Beatrice De BREWOSE father: Sir Thomas De BREWOSE, Lord Brewose mother: Beatrice MORTIMER

4th generation

21. William De NORTHWODE m. Alice
m. Alice
22. James De NORTHWODE m.
26. Juliane De NORTHWODE m. John DYGGE
m. John DYGGE father: Roger DYGGE mother: Albina
27. Sir William CLINTON m. Elizabeth DEINCOURT
m. Elizabeth DEINCOURT father: Sir William DEINCOURT, Lord Deincourt mother: Milicent La ZOUCHE
32. Sir William FIENNES m. Elizabeth BATISFORD
m. Elizabeth BATISFORD father: William BATISFORD mother: Margaret PEPLESHAM

5th generation

39. Elizabeth De NORTHWODE m. Piers CATTES
m. Piers CATTES
40. Eleanor De NORTHWODE m. John ADAM
m. John ADAM
45. Elizabeth DYGGE m. Henry AUCHER
m. Henry AUCHER father: Nicholas AUCHER
46. John DYGGE m. Juliane HORNE
m. Juliane HORNE father: Thomas HORNE
47. William CLINTON, Lord Clinton m1. Anne TRIVETT m2. Anne BOTREAUX m3. Mary
m. Anne TRIVETT father: Sir Thomas TRIVETT mother: Elizabeth LIMBURY
m. Anne BOTREAUX father: William BOTREAUX, Lord Botreaux mother: Elizabeth St LO
m. Mary
48. Sir Roger FIENNES m. Elizabeth HOLLAND
m. Elizabeth HOLLAND father: Sir John De HOLAND mother: Margaret
49. Sir James FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele m1. Joan m2. Emiline CROMER
m. Joan
m. Emiline CROMER