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Marriage: Children:
  1. John FIENNES Death: 1375
  2. Sir William FIENNES Birth: 1 Aug 1357 in Herstmonceux, Sussex Death: 18 Jan 1402/3

Marriage:
Bibliography
  1. Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 03 Canonteigh-Cutts. London: St Catherine Press, 1913. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 3 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo03coka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP III [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Clutterbuck, Robert, History and Antiquities of the County of Hertford, London: Nichols, Son, and Bentley, 1815-27, v1-3. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/188626. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Clutterbuck Hertford v[1-3]p[0-9]*].
  5. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
  6. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  7. Roberts, Gary Boyd, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States: who were themselves notable or left descendants notable in American history, with a 2008 Addendum, Coda, and Final Additions. Baltimore, MD: Gen Pub Co, 2008. NYPL APK 08-4216. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Roberts RD600 p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
parents:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, CP III p320, CP XI p478(g), Richardson RoyalAnc v2p579, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p570, Roberts RD600 p471],
father:
[Ref: Clutterbuck Hertford v2p10],
brother:
William 3rd Lord Say [Ref: CP XI p479]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p579]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir William FIENNES
date:
before 1356 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p579],
names:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p572],
child:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, CP III p320, CP XI p479, Clutterbuck Hertford v2p10, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p579, Roberts RD600 p471]
Sources with Information about marriage to Stephen De VALOINES
date:
before 1370 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p579]
Research Notes:
coheir (after 1399) of her brother William [Ref: CP XI p479]



Pedigree of Joan De SAY
                                                                /-----Jordan De SAY
                                                       /-----William De SAY
                                                      |         \-----Lucy De RUMILLY
                                              /-----Geoffrey De SAY
                                             |        |         /-----William De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
                                             |         \-----Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
                                             |                  \-----Margaret RIE
                                     /-----Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
                                    |        |                  /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
                                    |        |         /-----John De CHESNEY
                                    |        |        |         \-----Alice MAMINOT
                                    |         \-----Alice De CHESNEY
                                    |                  \-----Sibil
                            /-----Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
                           |        |                           /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
                           |        |                  /-----Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
                           |        |                 |         \-----Adeliza Le MESCHIN
                           |        |         /-----Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety
                           |        |        |        |         /-----James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
                           |        |        |         \-----Maud St. HILLARY
                           |        |        |                  \-----Aveline
                           |         \-----Hawise De CLARE
                           |                 |                  /-----Robert The Consul De CAEN, Earl Of Gloucester
                           |                 |         /-----William Meullant FITZ ROBERT, Earl Of Gloucester
                           |                 |        |         \-----Maud FITZ HAMOND
                           |                  \-----Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
                           |                          |         /-----Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
                           |                           \-----Hawise DeBEAUMONT
                           |                                    \-----Amicia De Gael
                   /-----William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
                  |         \-----Sibyl
          /-----Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
         |         \-----Elizabeth
 /-----Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
|        |                                                      /-----(Unk) De LEYBURN
|        |                                             /-----Philip De LEYBURN
|        |                                    /-----Robet De LEYBURN
|        |                                   |        |         /-----Robert Fitz Gerold
|        |                                   |         \-----Amy FITZGEROLD
|        |                                   |                  \-----Alice De NOERS
|        |                           /-----Roger De LEYBURN
|        |                          |         \-----Margaret
|        |                  /-----Roger De LEYBURN
|        |                 |        |                           /-----John De TONG
|        |                 |        |                  /-----Robert De TURNHAM
|        |                 |        |         /-----Stephen De TURNHAM
|        |                 |         \-----Eleanor De TURNHAM
|        |                 |                 |                  /-----Oyne PURCEL
|        |                 |                 |         /-----Ranulf De BROC
|        |                 |                  \-----Edeline De BROC
|        |                 |                           \-----Damietta De GORAM
|        |         /-----William De LEYBURN, Lord Leyburn
|        |        |         \-----(Unk)
|         \-----Idoine De LEYBURN
|                 |                  /-----Simon De SANDWICH
|                 |         /-----Sir Henry De SANDWICH
|                  \-----Juliane De SANDWICH
|                          |                                    /-----Hugh De Auberville
|                          |                           /-----William De Auberville
|                          |                          |         \-----Wimarca
|                          |                  /-----Hugh De Auberville
|                          |                 |        |         /-----Ranulph De GLANVILLE, Chief Justiciar Of England
|                          |                 |         \-----Maud De GLANVILLE
|                          |                 |                  \-----Bertha De VALOINES
|                          |         /-----William De AUBERVILLE
|                           \-----Joan De AUBERVILLE
Joan De SAY
|                                                               /-----Walter BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
|                                                      /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
|                                                     |         \-----Emeline De ARBITOT
|                                             /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
|                                            |        |         /-----William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
|                                            |         \-----Bertha BRAOS
|                                            |                  \-----Bertha Of Hereford
|                                    /-----Walter De BEAUCHAMP
|                                   |        |         /-----Sir Thomas De St VALERIE
|                                   |         \-----Joan De St VALERIE
|                           /-----William BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Elmsley Castle
|                          |        |                           /-----Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
|                          |        |                  /-----Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
|                          |        |         /-----Roger De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
|                          |        |        |        |         /-----William De MESCHINES, Baron Of Egremont
|                          |        |        |         \-----Maud De MESCHINES
|                          |        |        |                  \-----Cecily De ROMILLY
|                          |         \-----Joan MORTIMER
|                          |                 |                  /-----Henry De FERRERS
|                          |                 |         /-----Walkeline FERRERS, Lord Of Oakham
|                          |                  \-----Isabel De FERRIERS
|                  /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
|                 |        |                                    /-----William II MAUDIT
|                 |        |                           /-----William III MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
|                 |        |                          |         \-----Maude De HAMESLAPE
|                 |        |                  /-----Robert MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
|                 |        |                 |        |         /-----Simon II De St. LIZ, Earl Of Huntingdon
|                 |        |                 |         \-----Isabel De St LIZ
|                 |        |                 |                  \-----Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
|                 |        |         /-----William IV MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
|                 |        |        |        |         /-----Thurstan BASSET
|                 |        |        |         \-----Isabel BASSET
|                 |         \-----Isabel MAUDUIT
|                 |                 |                           /-----Henry De Newburgh, Earl Of Warwick
|                 |                 |                  /-----Roger De Newburgh, Earl Of Warwick
|                 |                 |                 |         \-----Margaret De Perche
|                 |                 |         /-----Waleran Beaumont De Newbourge, Earl Of Warwick
|                 |                 |        |        |         /-----William II De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey
|                 |                 |        |         \-----Gundred De WARENNE, Countess Of Warwick
|                 |                 |        |                  \-----Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
|                 |                  \-----Alice De NEWBOURGE
|                 |                          |                  /-----Ivo De Harcourt
|                 |                          |         /-----Robert De Harcourt
|                 |                           \-----Alice De Harcourt
|                 |                                   |         /-----Richard De Camville
|                 |                                    \-----Millicent De Camville
|                 |                                             \-----Milicent Of Rethel
|         /-----Sir Guy De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
|        |        |                           /-----Piers De LUTEGARESHALE
|        |        |                  /-----Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
|        |        |                 |         \-----Maud
|        |        |         /-----Sir John FITZ GEOFFREY
|        |        |        |        |                           /-----Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
|        |        |        |        |                  /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
|        |        |        |        |                 |         \-----Adeliza De CLERMONT
|        |        |        |        |         /-----Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
|        |        |        |        |        |        |         /-----Ranulph III De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester
|        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Adeliza Le MESCHIN
|        |        |        |        |        |                  \-----Lucia Of East Angies
|        |        |        |         \-----Aveline De CLARE
|        |        |        |                 |                  /-----Hasculf De St JAMES, Baron Of Field Dalling
|        |        |        |                 |         /-----James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
|        |        |        |                 |        |         \-----Matilda
|        |        |        |                  \-----Maud St. HILLARY
|        |        |        |                           \-----Aveline
|        |         \-----Maud FITZJOHN
|        |                 |                                    /-----Roger BIGOD, Baron Of Framlingham
|        |                 |                           /-----Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk And Suffolk
|        |                 |                          |         \-----Alice De TOENI
|        |                 |                  /-----Roger BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
|        |                 |                 |        |         /-----Alberic II De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
|        |                 |                 |         \-----Juliana VERE
|        |                 |                 |                  \-----Adeliza De CLARE
|        |                 |         /-----Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
|        |                 |        |        |                  /-----Roger III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
|        |                 |        |        |         /-----Ralph V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
|        |                 |        |        |        |         \-----Ida (Gertrude) Of Hainault
|        |                 |        |         \-----Ida Countess Of Norfolk
|        |                 |        |                 |         /-----Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
|        |                 |        |                  \-----Margaret De BEAUMONT
|        |                 |        |                           \-----Amicia De Gael
|        |                  \-----Isabel BIGOD
|        |                          |                           /-----Gilbert GIFFARD, Marshal
|        |                          |                  /-----John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
|        |                          |                 |         \-----(Unk dau) De VENOIZ
|        |                          |         /-----Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke
|        |                          |        |        |         /-----Walter De SALISBURY, Baron Of Chitterne
|        |                          |        |         \-----Sibyl De SALISBURY
|        |                          |        |                  \-----Sibyl De CHAWORTH
|        |                           \-----Maud MARSHALL
|        |                                   |                  /-----Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
|        |                                   |         /-----Richard "Strongbow" De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
|        |                                   |        |         \-----Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
|        |                                    \-----Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke
|        |                                            |         /-----Dairmait Mac MURCHAD, King Of Leinster
|        |                                             \-----Aoife Macmurchada Of Leinster
|        |                                                      \-----Mor Ua TUATHAIL
 \-----Maud De BEAUCHAMP
         |                                                      /-----Roger III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
         |                                             /-----Ralph V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
         |                                            |         \-----Ida (Gertrude) Of Hainault
         |                                    /-----Roger IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
         |                                   |        |         /-----Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
         |                                   |         \-----Margaret De BEAUMONT
         |                                   |                  \-----Amicia De Gael
         |                           /-----Ralph VI De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
         |                          |        |                  /-----Roscelin De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine
         |                          |        |         /-----Richard I De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine
         |                          |        |        |         \-----Constance
         |                          |         \-----Constance De BEAUMONT
         |                          |                 |         /-----Richard II Seigneur of l'Aigle
         |                          |                  \-----Lucie De L'AIGLE
         |                          |                           \-----Beatrice
         |                  /-----Roger V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
         |                 |        |                           /-----Gilbert De LACY
         |                 |        |                  /-----Hugh De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
         |                 |        |         /-----Walter De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
         |                 |        |        |        |         /-----Baderon De MONMOUTH
         |                 |        |        |         \-----Roheis De MONMOUTH
         |                 |        |        |                  \-----Rohese De CLARE
         |                 |         \-----Petronilla De LACY
         |                 |                 |                  /-----William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
         |                 |                 |         /-----William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
         |                 |                 |        |         \-----Bertha Of Hereford
         |                 |                  \-----Margaret De BRAOISE
         |                 |                          |         /-----Bernard De St VALERY, Baron Of Beckley
         |                 |                           \-----Matilda De ST VALERIE De HAIA
         |                 |                                    \-----Matilda
         |         /-----Ralph VII De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
         |        |        |                                    /-----Humphrey III De BOHUN, Baron Of Trowbridge
         |        |        |                           /-----Humphrey IV De BOHUN, Baron Of Trowbridge
         |        |        |                          |         \-----Margaret Of Hereford
         |        |        |                  /-----Henry De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford, MC Surety
         |        |        |                 |        |         /-----Henry Of Huntingdon, Earl Of Huntingdon
         |        |        |                 |         \-----Margaret Of Huntingdon
         |        |        |                 |                  \-----Ada De WARENNE
         |        |        |         /-----Humphrey V De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex
         |        |        |        |        |                  /-----Piers De LUTEGARESHALE
         |        |        |        |        |         /-----Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
         |        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Maud
         |        |        |        |         \-----Maud FITZ GEOFFREY De MANDEVILLE
         |        |        |        |                 |         /-----William De SAY
         |        |        |        |                  \-----Beatrice De SAY
         |        |        |        |                           \-----Aufrica
         |        |         \-----Alice De BOHUN
         |        |                 |                           /-----Hugh VIII Sire De Lusignan
         |        |                 |                  /-----Hugh Sire De Lusignan
         |        |                 |                 |         \-----Burgundia Dame De Fontenay
         |        |                 |         /-----Raoul I De LUSIGNAN, Count D'Eu
         |        |                 |        |         \-----Orengarde
         |        |                  \-----Maud D'EU
         |        |                          |                  /-----John Count D'Eu, Baron Of Hastings
         |        |                          |         /-----Henry Count D'Eu, Baron Of Hastings
         |        |                          |        |         \-----Adelise D'AUBIGNY
         |        |                           \-----Alice D'EU, Countess Of Eu, Lady Of Hastings
         |        |                                   |         /-----Hameline PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Surrey
         |        |                                    \-----Maud De WARENNE
         |        |                                             \-----Isabel De WARENNE, Countess Of Surrey
          \-----Alice De TOENI
                   \-----Mary



Descendants of Joan De SAY
1. Joan De SAY m1. Sir William FIENNES m2. Stephen De VALOINES
m. Sir William FIENNES father: Sir John FIENNES mother: Maud De MONCEUX
m. Stephen De VALOINES

2nd generation

3. Sir William FIENNES m. Elizabeth BATISFORD
m. Elizabeth BATISFORD father: William BATISFORD mother: Margaret PEPLESHAM

3rd generation

4. Sir Roger FIENNES m. Elizabeth HOLLAND
m. Elizabeth HOLLAND father: Sir John De HOLAND mother: Margaret
5. Sir James FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele m1. Joan m2. Emiline CROMER
m. Joan
m. Emiline CROMER

4th generation

6. Richard FIENNES, Lord Dacre m. Joan DACRE, Baroness Dacre
m. Joan DACRE, Baroness Dacre father: Sir Thomas DACRE mother: Elizabeth BOWET
8. Margaret FIENNES m1. Nicholas CAREW m2. John CARENT
m. Nicholas CAREW father: Nicholas CAREW mother: Isabel De La MARE
m. John CARENT
9. Elizabeth FIENNES m1. William CROMER m2. Alexander IDEN m3. Sir Laurence RAYNSFORD
m. William CROMER father: Sir William CROMER mother: Margaret SQUERY
m. Alexander IDEN
m. Sir Laurence RAYNSFORD father: William RAYNSFORD mother: Alianor De BROXBOURNE
12. William FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele m. Margaret WYKEHAM
m. Margaret WYKEHAM father: William WYKEHAM mother: Joan

5th generation

13. Elizabeth FIENNES m. John CLINTON, Lord Clinton
m. John CLINTON, Lord Clinton father: John CLINTON, Lord Clinton mother: Joan FERRERS
14. Sir John FIENNES m. Alice FITZHUGH
m. Alice FITZHUGH father: Henry FITZ HUGH, Lord Fitz Hugh mother: Alice De NEVILLE
15. Sir Thomas FIENNES m. Anne URSWICK
m. Anne URSWICK father: Sir Thomas URSWICK mother: Anne RICH
19. Nicholas CAREW m. Margaret LANGFORD
m. Margaret LANGFORD father: Edward LANGFORD
20. James CAREW m. Eleanor HOO
m. Eleanor HOO father: Sir Thomas HOO, K.G., Lord Hoo mother: Eleanor De WELLES
24. Sir James CROMER m. Catherine CANTELOU
m. Catherine CANTELOU father: Sir William CANTELOU mother: Margaret BARRY
28. Sir John RAYNSFORD m1. Anne STARKEY m2. Margaret ILAM
m. Anne STARKEY father: Sir Humphrey STARKEY
m. Margaret ILAM father: Thomas ILAM
30. Henry FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele m. Anne HARCOURT
m. Anne HARCOURT father: Sir Richard HARCOURT mother: Edith St. CLAIR