Person Info
- Name: Maud
- Sex: F
- Death: After 1176 d
Parents:
Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Juliane FITZ PIERS
- Robert FITZ PIERS Birth: 1
Death: Abt 1185
- Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex Birth: Abt 1145
Death: 14 Oct 1213
Marriage:
Children:
- Sir William De BOCLANDE Death: Abt 15 Apr 1216
- Hawise De BOCLANDE Death: Before 19 Jul 1233
- Hugh De BOCLANDE
- Geoffrey De BOCLANDE Death: Abt 14 Sep 1225
Bibliography
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Phillips, Chris, Proposed Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP++(proposed) .*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Siblings of Roger fitz Geoffrey. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 3/24/1999. Subject: Geoffrey Fitz Peter and his father, Peter the Forester. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/Wr4qaM1_Q-A/m/1h4IchfX4bYJ. Author address: dcrdcr4 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 3/24/1999].
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Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol II: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 2002. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 2. Corrections at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p[0-9]*].
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Farmerie, Todd, Mother of Geoffrey Fitz Piers. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 4/23/1998. Subject: Geoffrey FitzPiers' Mother. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/doQ9-wydjn4/m/HBR678wVubQJ. Author address: taf2 at po dot cwru dot edu. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Todd Farmerie SGM 4/23/1998].
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Farmerie, Todd, Maud mother of Geoffrey fitz Piers. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 7/2/1996. Subject: MANDEVILLE/Earldom of Essex deascent. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/olhJlRkqezY/m/Pai2WKJEjDMJ. Author address: taf2 at PO dot CWRU dot EDU. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Todd Farmerie SGM 7/2/1996].
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Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9. NYPL ARZ+ (Wallop) (Watney, V. J. Wallop family). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/213421. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Watney WALLOP #[0-9]*].
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Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].
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Weis, Frederick L, Magna Charta Sureties 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna Charta and Some of Their Descendants. 4th Ed. Baltimore: Gen Pub Co, 1991. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis MC #[0-9][0-9]*].
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
- parents:
- Geoffrey de Mandeville (#10467) & Rohese de Vere (#10468) [Ref: Weis
MC #159]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- survived second husband [Ref: CP++(proposed) Essex 6/15/2003 (CP V
p116f)]
Sources with Information about marriage to Piers De LUTEGARESHALE
- date:
- first marriage of Matilda [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p566]
- first marriage of Maud [Ref: CP V p116f, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p509],
- names:
- [Ref: Weis MC #159]
- Piers De LUTEGARESHALE & Maud [Ref: Watney WALLOP #401],
- child:
- [Ref: CP V p116f, CP V p122, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p178, Richardson
RoyalAnc v2p509, Watney WALLOP #401, Weis AR7 #246B]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
- names:
- Piers de Lutegareshale & Maud de Mandeville [Ref: Weis AR7 #246C]
Sources with Information about marriage to Hugh De BOCLANDE
- date:
- second marriage of Matilda [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p566]
- second marriage of Maud [Ref: CP V p116f, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p509],
- child:
- [Ref: CP V p116f, Keats-Rohan DD p330, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p509,
Richardson RoyalAnc v3p535]
Research Notes:
Lady of Costow, co Wilts [Ref: Weis AR7 #246B]
The two most recent editions of the Weis books (MCS4 and ARCC7) show Geoffrey
Fitz Piers, Earl of Essex as son of Maud de Mandeville, daughter of Geoffrey
de Mandeville, Earl of Essex. I suspect that the derivation of this claim is a
misreading of a table in CP, vol. 5 (Essex), where the parents of Fitz Piers,
Piers and Maud (as well as Maud's other husband), are placed under the
horizontal line connecting the children of Geoffrey de Mandeville, but without
a verticle connection to that line. (In other words, they were tucked in there
for the sake of spacial layout, without intending to suggest a relationship.)
[Ref: Todd Farmerie SGM 7/2/1996]
The mother of Geoffrey Fitz Piers was Maud, wife of Piers de Lutegareshale.
As far as I have been able to determine, there was never any Maud de
Mandeville at this point in the Mandeville pedigree until someone misread CP.
I followed back the references cited by Weis/Sheppard Magna Carta Sureties
(later repeated in AR7) and they all either say nothing of the sort, or else
lead right to the CP Essex article. Nowhere in the text does it mention a
Maud other than simply as wife of Piers, and there it does not call her Maud
de Mandeville nor provide any evidence of a connection. In the associated
chart, (and here's the rub) Piers, Maud, and her second husband are placed
under the horizontal line which unites the children of Geoffrey de Mandeville.
This would, at first glance, appear to show Maud as Geoffrey's daughter (this
applies to Maud, but not Piers or his successor, because Maud is not given a
surname). However, a closer look reveals that there is no vertical line
dropping down from the horizontal to connect her with Geoffrey:
Geoffrey
de Mandeville
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children Piers=Maud=2 hus more children
of Geoffrey de L | | of Geoffrey
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Maud was not intended by this to be represented as Geoffrey's daughter, but
this appears to be the genesis of this mistaken affiliation. As has been
pointed out, it is clear that Geoffrey Fitz Piers came to hold Mandeville
land, as well as the Earldom of Essex, through his wife, who was granddaughter
of Geoffrey de Mandeville's sister. This is best seen by the fact that the
land and titles descended to Bohun, to the exclusion of Geoffrey's son and
male heir, John Fitz Geoffrey, son by a second wife. So, no Mandeville land
can be shown to have been held by Piers, or by Geoffrey prior to his marriage;
no Mandeville land descended to Geoffrey's (and hence Maud's) heir male; no
document has been brought forward which claims Maud, wife of Piers, was a
Mandeville; no daughter or sister of an Earl of Essex would have been allowed
to marry such a lowly knight as Piers. No, Maud was not a Mandeville. [Ref:
Todd Farmerie SGM 4/23/1998]
either Peter or his wife, Maud, was a sibling of Roger Fitz Geoffrey and his
brother, Robert, who were knights and chief tenants of the Earls of Salisbury
[Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 3/24/1999]
It is unlikely that Matilda was daughter of Geoffrey de Mandeville. If she
were Geoffrey's daughter, this would imply two marriages between second
cousins in the following generation. The relationship as stated seems to arise
from a misunderstanding of the chart of the Earls of Essex given in Complete
Peerage V facing p116/7 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p330 (with corr on proposon web
site), Keats-Rohan DD p566 (with corr on proposon web site)]
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