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Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Alice De Harcourt Death: After Sep 1212
  2. William De HARCOURT, Gov Of Tamworth Castle Death: 6 Apr 1223

Bibliography
  1. Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 12-2, Tracton-Zz. London: St Catherine Press, 1959. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XII/2 [Ap][p0-9].*].
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  4. Holloway, Naomi D, The Genealogy of Mary Wentworth, Who Became the Wife of William Brewster, Revised Edition, October 1969. LDS Film#1738313 item#5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Holloway WENTWORTH p[0-9a]*].
  5. Ravilious, John, Ralph Limesi - Odingselles - Cavendish - Stafford. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 11/22/2004. Subject: Are Odingselles descended from Odingselles?. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/K0lkcRbKVIg/m/H9lJDO2sN5YJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/22/2004-164318].
  6. Ravilious, John, Melisent of Rethel and her sons. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 4/15/2009. Subject: Melisent of Rethel and her son/s. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/1tiYSAZPQDs/m/HGjTyC9Q4dwJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 4/15/2009-233112].
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  10. Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
parents:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p938, John Ravilious SGM 4/15/2009-233112, Watney WALLOP #499],
father:
[Ref: CP XII/2 p364, ES X #139, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p320, Weis AR7 #84],
mother:
[Ref: Watney WALLOP #200],
name:
Isabel [Ref: Burke Peerage p938, CP XII/2 p364, Holloway WENTWORTH p15, John Ravilious SGM 4/15/2009-233112, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p320, Watney WALLOP #200, Watney WALLOP #499, Weis AR7 #84]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
father:
Richard de Camville (#14081) (brother of Gerard and William) [Ref: Watney WALLOP #200],
mother:
Margaret [Ref: ES X #139]
Sources for death Information
date:
after 1207/8 [Ref: Holloway WENTWORTH p15, Weis AR7 #84]
Sources with Information about marriage to Robert De Harcourt
child:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p938, CP XII/2 p364, ES X #139, Holloway WENTWORTH p15, John Ravilious SGM 11/22/2004-164318, Keats-Rohan DD p917, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p320, Watney WALLOP #200, Watney WALLOP #499, Weis AR7 #84]
Research Notes:
heiress of her father [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p320]

I noted your post questioning the 'traditional' assignment of the issue of Richard de Camville "I" to his 2nd wife, Millicent (or Melisende) de Rethel. Most researchers (myself included) have left all the children as being by Millicent, but I think you are quite correct in questioning this, and the end result likely will be separating a number of English descendants of the Camvilles from this long-accepted link to Carolingian ancestry.
The placement of Isabel (wife of Robert de Harcourt) is solid. This has to do with Millicent's maritagium of Stanton (later Stanton Harcourt) passing with Isabel's marriage to the Harcourt family. [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 4/15/2009-233112]



Pedigree of Millicent De Camville
 /-----Richard De Camville
|        |         /-----Alberic De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
|         \-----(Unk Dau) De VERE
|                  \-----Beatrix
Millicent De Camville
|                                             /-----Manasses I Count Of Rethel
|                                    /-----Manasses II Count Of Rethel
|                           /-----Manasses III Count Of Rethel
|                          |        |                           /-----Rogenvald
|                          |        |                  /-----Renaud Count Of Rheims And Roucy
|                          |        |         /-----Giselbert Count Of Roucy
|                          |        |        |        |         /-----Giselbert Duke Of Lorraine
|                          |        |        |         \-----Alberade Of Lorraine
|                          |        |        |                  \-----Gerberga Of Saxony
|                          |         \-----Judith Of Roucy
|                          |                 |                  /-----Lutaud Count Of Macon
|                          |                 |         /-----Aubri Count Of Macon
|                          |                 |        |         \-----Ermengarde Of Chalon
|                          |                  \-----(Unk Dau)
|                          |                          |         /-----Renaud Count Of Rheims And Roucy
|                          |                           \-----Ermentrude Of Roucy
|                          |                                    \-----Alberade Of Lorraine
|                  /-----Hugh I Count Of Rethel
|                 |        |                           /-----Rogenvald
|                 |        |                  /-----Renaud Count Of Rheims And Roucy
|                 |        |         /-----Giselbert Count Of Roucy
|                 |        |        |        |                  /-----Regnier I Count Of Hainaut
|                 |        |        |        |         /-----Giselbert Duke Of Lorraine
|                 |        |        |        |        |         \-----Alberade Of Mons
|                 |        |        |         \-----Alberade Of Lorraine
|                 |        |        |                 |         /-----Henry I The Fowler King Of The Saxons
|                 |        |        |                  \-----Gerberga Of Saxony
|                 |        |        |                           \-----Mechtilde Of Westfalen
|                 |         \-----Yevette
|                 |                 |                           /-----Aubri Vicount Of Narbonne
|                 |                 |                  /-----Lutaud Count Of Macon
|                 |                 |                 |         \-----Attela Of Macon
|                 |                 |         /-----Aubri Count Of Macon
|                 |                 |        |        |         /-----Manasses I Count Of Vergy, Duxin, And Chalons
|                 |                 |        |         \-----Ermengarde Of Chalon
|                 |                 |        |                  \-----Ermengarde
|                 |                  \-----(Unk Dau)
|                 |                          |                  /-----Rogenvald
|                 |                          |         /-----Renaud Count Of Rheims And Roucy
|                 |                           \-----Ermentrude Of Roucy
|                 |                                   |         /-----Giselbert Duke Of Lorraine
|                 |                                    \-----Alberade Of Lorraine
|                 |                                             \-----Gerberga Of Saxony
|         /-----Gervais Count Of Rethel
|        |        |                  /-----Milon I Seigneur De La Ferte
|        |        |         /-----Guy Seigneur De Montchery And Bray
|        |        |        |        |                           /-----Ansoud I Le Riche Vicomte De Auxerer
|        |        |        |        |                  /-----Ansoud Le Riche Of Paris
|        |        |        |        |                 |         \-----Raingarde
|        |        |        |        |         /-----Thibaud Seigneur Of Montchery And Cheverouse
|        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Reitrude
|        |        |        |         \-----(Unk Dau)
|        |         \-----Malisinde
|        |                 |         /-----William Lord Of Burea
|        |                  \-----Hodierna De La Ferte
 \-----Milicent Of Rethel
         |                                                      /-----Berenger Count Of Namur
         |                                             /-----Robert I Count Of Namur
         |                                            |         \-----Symphonia
         |                                    /-----Albert I Count Of Namur
         |                                   |        |         /-----Otto Duke Of Lorraine
         |                                   |         \-----Ermengarde Of Lorraine
         |                           /-----Albert II Count Of Namur
         |                          |        |                  /-----Louis IV D'OUTRE-MER, King Of Franks
         |                          |        |         /-----Charles Duke Of Lower Lorraine
         |                          |        |        |         \-----Gerberga Of Saxony
         |                          |         \-----Adelheid Of Lorraine
         |                          |                  \-----Adelheid Of Ardennes
         |                  /-----Albert III Count Of Namur
         |                 |        |                           /-----Gonzelon Count In Bidgau
         |                 |        |                  /-----Godfrey Count Of Verdun
         |                 |        |                 |         \-----Oda Of Metz
         |                 |        |         /-----Gothelo I Duke Of Upper And Lower Lorraine
         |                 |        |        |        |         /-----Hermann Billung Duke Of Saxony
         |                 |        |        |         \-----Matilda Of Saxony
         |                 |        |        |                  \-----Hildegarde Of Westerbourg
         |                 |         \-----Regilinde Of Lorraine
         |                 |                 |                  /-----Conrad I Duke Of Swabia
         |                 |                 |         /-----Conrad III Of Swabia, Count Of Ortenau
         |                 |                 |        |         \-----Judith Of Marchtal
         |                 |                  \-----Ita
         |                 |                          |         /-----Frederick Count Of Verdon
         |                 |                           \-----Beatrix
         |         /-----Godfrey Count Of Namur
         |        |        |                                    /-----Billung Count In Saxony
         |        |        |                           /-----Hermann Billung Duke Of Saxony
         |        |        |                          |         \-----Fraderuna
         |        |        |                  /-----Bernard I Duke Of Saxony
         |        |        |                 |         \-----Hildegarde Of Westerbourg
         |        |        |         /-----Bernard II Duke Of Saxony
         |        |        |        |        |                  /-----Liuthar Count Of Stade
         |        |        |        |        |         /-----Henry Count Of Stade
         |        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Swanhilde
         |        |        |        |         \-----Hildegard Of Stade
         |        |        |        |                  \-----Hildegard
         |        |         \-----Ida Of Saxony
         |        |                 |                           /-----Arnulf I The Bad Duke Of Bavaria
         |        |                 |                  /-----Berthold I Margrave Of The Bavarian Nordgaus
         |        |                 |                 |         \-----Judith
         |        |                 |         /-----Henrich Margrave Of Schweinfurt
         |        |                 |        |        |         /-----Lothar II Count Of Walbeck
         |        |                 |        |         \-----Eiliswintha Countess Of Walbeck
         |        |                 |        |                  \-----Mathilda Of Arnsburg
         |        |                  \-----Eilika Of Schweinfurt
         |        |                          |                  /-----Udo Count In The Wetterau
         |        |                          |         /-----Herbert I Count In The Kinziggau
         |        |                          |        |         \-----Cunegundis Of Vermandois
         |        |                           \-----Gerberga Of Gleiberg
         |        |                                   |         /-----Megingoz Count Of The Avalgau
         |        |                                    \-----Irmentrude
         |        |                                             \-----Gerberga
          \-----Elizabeth Of Namur
                  |         /-----Roger Count Of Chateau Porcien
                   \-----Sibylle Of Chateau Porcien
                            \-----Ermengarde



Descendants of Millicent De Camville
1. Millicent De Camville m. Robert De Harcourt
m. Robert De Harcourt father: Ivo De Harcourt

2nd generation

2. Alice De Harcourt m1. John De LIMESI, Lord Of Cavendish m2. Waleran Beaumont De Newbourge, Earl Of Warwick
m. John De LIMESI, Lord Of Cavendish father: Gerard De LIMESY, Baron Of Cavendish mother: Amicia De BIDUN
m. Waleran Beaumont De Newbourge, Earl Of Warwick father: Roger De Newburgh, Earl Of Warwick mother: Gundred De WARENNE, Countess Of Warwick
3. William De HARCOURT, Gov Of Tamworth Castle m. Alice NOEL
m. Alice NOEL father: Sir Thomas NOEL mother: Margaret LESTRANGE

3rd generation

5. Alice De NEWBOURGE m. William IV MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
m. William IV MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope father: Robert MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope mother: Isabel BASSET
6. Sir Richard De HARCOURT m. Orabella De QUINCY
m. Orabella De QUINCY father: Saire De QUINCEY, Earl Of Winchester, MC Suret mother: Margaret BEAUMONT

4th generation

7. Isabel MAUDUIT m. William BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Elmsley Castle
m. William BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Elmsley Castle father: Walter De BEAUCHAMP mother: Joan MORTIMER
10. Margaret De HARCOURT m. Sir John De La HAYE
m. Sir John De La HAYE father: Sir Ralph De La HAYE mother: Eustache TRIAN
11. Sir William De HARCOURT m1. Alice La ZOUCHE m2. Hillaria De HASTINGS
m. Alice La ZOUCHE father: Roger La ZOUCHE mother: Margaret BISET
m. Hillaria De HASTINGS father: Sir Henry De HASTINGS mother: Ada Of Huntingdon

5th generation

12. Sarah De BEAUCHAMP m. Richard TALBOT
m. Richard TALBOT father: Gilbert TALBOT mother: Gwenthlian MECHYLL
13. William De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick m. Maud FITZJOHN
m. Maud FITZJOHN father: Sir John FITZ GEOFFREY mother: Isabel BIGOD
14. Sir John De BEAUCHAMP m.
15. Sir Walter De BEAUCHAMP m. Alice De TONI
m. Alice De TONI father: Roger V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead mother: Alice De BOHUN
16. Isabel De BEAUCHAMP m1. Henry LOVET m2. William Le BLUND
m. Henry LOVET
m. William Le BLUND father: John Le BLUND
18. Joan De BEAUCHAMP m. Sir Bartholomew De SUDELEY, Baron Of Sudeley
m. Sir Bartholomew De SUDELEY, Baron Of Sudeley father: Ralph De SUDELEY, Baron Of Sudeley mother: Imenia
19. Margaret BEAUCHAMP m. Sir Hubert HUSEE
m. Sir Hubert HUSEE father: Sir Henry HUSEE mother: Maud
22. Alice BEAUCHAMP m. Bernard BRUCE, Lord Of Connington And Exton
m. Bernard BRUCE, Lord Of Connington And Exton father: Robert De BRUS, Lord Of Annandale mother: Isabella Of Huntingdon
25. Orabella De HARCOURT m. Henry De PEMBRUGGE
m. Henry De PEMBRUGGE father: Henry De PEMBRUGGE mother: Elizabeth De GAMAGES
28. Sir Richard De HARCOURT m1. Margaret BEKE m2. Joan
m. Margaret BEKE father: John BEKE, Lord Beke mother: Sarah De FURNIVAL
m. Joan