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Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Agnes De SAY
  2. (Unk) De SAY
  3. Hawise De SAY Death: After 1318
  4. John De SAY
  5. Alice De SAY
  6. William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich Birth: 20 Nov 1253 Death: Abt 16 Sep 1295

Marriage:
Bibliography
  1. Banks, Thomas Christopher, Baronia anglica concentrata: or, A concentrated account of all the baronies commonly called baronies in fee; deriving their origin from writ of summons, and not from any specific limited creation. London: Simpkin, 1844. Available at https://archive.org/details/baroniaanglicaco01bankuoft. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Banks Baronies v[1-2]p[0-9]*].
  2. Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 12-2, Tracton-Zz. London: St Catherine Press, 1959. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XII/2 [Ap][p0-9].*].
  5. Richardson, Douglas, Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 10/31/2007. Subject: Complete Peerage Addition: Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/oJ7DigECN4s/m/bdD2WpTv6noJ. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919].
  6. Richardson, Douglas, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Baltimore, MD: Genelogical Publishing Co, 2005. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson MCA p[0-9]*].
  7. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p[0-9]*].
  8. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  9. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p[0-9]*].
  10. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
before 1209 (of age in 1230) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p565],
parents:
[Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562],
father:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, CP XI p470, Sanders Baronies p98]
Sources for death Information
date:
1272 [Ref: Sanders Baronies p98]
before 12 Feb 1271/2 [Ref: CP XI p473]
shortly before 12 Feb 1271/2 [Ref: CP XII/2 p149, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p565]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sibyl
date:
first marriage of William [Ref: CP XI p473, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p288, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p565],
child:
[Ref: CP XI p473, Richardson MCA p690, Richardson MCA p793, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p288, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p459, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p565, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p85]
Sources with Information about marriage to Mary
date:
first marriage of Mary [Ref: Banks Baronies v1p439, CP XII/2 p149]
second marriage of William and first of Mary [Ref: CP XI p473, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p565]
Research Notes:
Knt, of Edmonton, Middlesex, West Greenwich, Birling, Butharm, Cudham, Horsmonden, and Patrixbourne, Kent, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, Hartwell, Northamptonshire, Hamsey and Streat, Sussex, etc [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p564]
Knt, of Edmonton, Middlesex [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p85]
Knt, of Edmonton, Middlesex, West Greenwich, Birling, Burham, Cudham, Horsmonden, and Patrixbourne, Kent [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p288]
Lord of Berling, Sele, etc Kent [Ref: Burke Peerage p1790]
Knt [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p256]

heir of his father [Ref: CP XI p470, Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p565]

inherited Barony of West Greenwich from father [Ref: Sanders Baronies p97]

abt 1235: jointly with Hawise de Clare (his proposed mother), issued a charter regarding property in Edmonton, Middlesex [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919]

charged 100 pounds relief for Barony of West Greenwich [Ref: Sanders Baronies p98(1)]

Constable of Rochester Castle [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p565]



Pedigree of Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
                                     /-----William De SAY
                            /-----Jordan De SAY
                           |        |                  /-----Robert De Grentmesnil
                           |        |         /-----Hugh De Grantmesnil, Baron Of Leicester
                           |        |        |        |         /-----Girole De Echafour
                           |        |        |         \-----Hawise De Echafour
                           |        |        |                  \-----Gisela De Bastenburgh
                           |         \-----Agnes De GRANDMESNIL
                           |                 |                  /-----Ivo I Count Of Beaumont
                           |                 |         /-----Ivo II Count Of Beaumont
                           |                 |        |         \-----Emma
                           |                  \-----Adeliza Of Beaumont
                           |                           \-----Judith
                   /-----William De SAY
                  |        |                  /-----Rainfred De RUMILLY
                  |        |         /-----Robert De RUMILLY, Baron Of Skipton
                  |         \-----Lucy De RUMILLY
          /-----Geoffrey De SAY
         |        |                  /-----Geoffrey De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
         |        |         /-----William De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
         |        |        |         \-----Athelaise
         |         \-----Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
         |                 |                  /-----Hubert De Ryes
         |                 |         /-----Eudo De RIE, Dapifer
         |                  \-----Margaret RIE
         |                          |                           /-----Godfrey Count Of Brionne
         |                          |                  /-----Gilbert Count Of Brionne
         |                          |         /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
         |                           \-----Rohais
         |                                   |                  /-----Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
         |                                   |         /-----Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
         |                                   |        |         \-----Wevie
         |                                    \-----Rohese GIFFARD
         |                                            |         /-----Gerard De FLEITELL
         |                                             \-----Ermengarde FLATEL
 /-----Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
|        |                                    /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
|        |                           /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
|        |                  /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
|        |                 |         \-----Matilda
|        |         /-----John De CHESNEY
|        |        |        |                           /-----Sir Robert De Courbepine
|        |        |        |                  /-----Gilbert De MAMINOT, Bishop Of Lisieux
|        |        |        |         /-----Hugh MAMINOT, Baron Of West Greenwich
|        |        |         \-----Alice MAMINOT
|        |        |                 |         /-----(Unk) PEVEREL
|        |        |                  \-----(Unk) PEVEREL
|         \-----Alice De CHESNEY
|                  \-----Sibil
Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
|                                                               /-----Godfrey Count Of Brionne
|                                                      /-----Gilbert Count Of Brionne
|                                             /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
|                                    /-----Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
|                                   |        |                  /-----Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
|                                   |        |         /-----Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
|                                   |        |        |         \-----Wevie
|                                   |         \-----Rohese GIFFARD
|                                   |                 |         /-----Gerard De FLEITELL
|                                   |                  \-----Ermengarde FLATEL
|                           /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
|                          |        |                           /-----Hugh Butler Of France
|                          |        |                  /-----Renaud Count Of Clermont
|                          |        |         /-----Hugh Count Of Clermont
|                          |        |        |         \-----Ermengardis
|                          |         \-----Adeliza De CLERMONT
|                          |                 |                  /-----Hildouin II De Rameru
|                          |                 |         /-----Hildouin III De Rameru, Count Of Montdidier And Roucy
|                          |                 |        |         \-----Anonima
|                          |                  \-----Margaret De Roucy
|                          |                          |         /-----Ebles I Count Of Rheims And Roucy
|                          |                           \-----Adele De Roucy
|                          |                                    \-----Beatrix Of Hainault
|                  /-----Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
|                 |        |                                    /-----Anschitil Vicomte Of The Bessin
|                 |        |                           /-----Ranulph I De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
|                 |        |                  /-----Ranulph II De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
|                 |        |                 |        |         /-----Richard III Duke Of Normandy
|                 |        |                 |         \-----Alice Of Normandy
|                 |        |         /-----Ranulph III De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester
|                 |        |        |        |                  /-----Turstain De Goz, Vicount Of Hiemois
|                 |        |        |        |         /-----Richard Le Goz, Vicomte D'Avranches
|                 |        |        |         \-----Margaret Le Goz
|                 |        |        |                  \-----Emma
|                 |         \-----Adeliza Le MESCHIN
|                 |                 |                  /-----(Unk)
|                 |                 |         /-----Thorold Of Buckingham, Sheriff Of Lincoln
|                 |                  \-----Lucia Of East Angies
|                 |                          |         /-----William MALET
|                 |                           \-----(Unk Dau)
|                 |                                   |         /-----Gilbert Crespin, Lord Of Tillieres
|                 |                                    \-----Esilia CRISPIN
|                 |                                             \-----Gunnor De ANJOU
|         /-----Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety
|        |        |                                    /-----(Unk) De St James
|        |        |                           /-----Eudo De St James
|        |        |                  /-----Hasculf De St JAMES, Baron Of Field Dalling
|        |        |         /-----James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
|        |        |        |         \-----Matilda
|        |         \-----Maud St. HILLARY
|        |                  \-----Aveline
 \-----Hawise De CLARE
         |                                                      /-----Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy
         |                                             /-----Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy
         |                                            |         \-----Judith Of Brittany
         |                                    /-----William The Conqueror King Of England
         |                                   |        |         /-----Fulbert Of Falaise
         |                                   |         \-----Herleve Of Falaise
         |                                   |                  \-----Duxia
         |                           /-----Henry I Beauclerc King Of England
         |                          |        |                  /-----Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders
         |                          |        |         /-----Baldwin V Count Of Flanders
         |                          |        |        |         \-----Ogive Of Luxembourg
         |                          |         \-----Maud Of Flanders
         |                          |                 |         /-----Robert II The Pious King Of France
         |                          |                  \-----Adelaide Of France
         |                          |                           \-----Constance Of Provence
         |                  /-----Robert The Consul De CAEN, Earl Of Gloucester
         |         /-----William Meullant FITZ ROBERT, Earl Of Gloucester
         |        |        |                           /-----Hamon-Aux-Dents Lord Of Torigny
         |        |        |                  /-----Hamon Sheriff Of Kent
         |        |        |         /-----Robert FITZ HAMOND, Lord Of Tewkesbury
         |        |         \-----Maud FITZ HAMOND
         |        |                 |                           /-----Hugh De Montgomery
         |        |                 |                  /-----Roger De Montgomery, Seigneur Of Montgomery
         |        |                 |                 |         \-----Josceline
         |        |                 |         /-----Roger De Montgomery, Earl Of Shrewsbury
         |        |                 |        |         \-----Emma
         |        |                  \-----Sybil De Montgomery
         |        |                          |                  /-----William I Count Of Alencon And Bellasme
         |        |                          |         /-----William II TALVAS
         |        |                          |        |         \-----Mathilde
         |        |                           \-----Mabel De Belesme
         |        |                                   |         /-----Arnulf
         |        |                                    \-----Hildeburg
          \-----Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
                  |                                             /-----Thorold Seigeur Of Pont-Audemer
                  |                                    /-----Humphrey De Vieilles
                  |                                   |         \-----Aveline
                  |                           /-----Roger De Beaumont
                  |                          |         \-----Aubreye De La Haie
                  |                  /-----Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
                  |                 |        |                  /-----Hugo I Count Of Meulen
                  |                 |        |         /-----Waleran Count Of Meulan
                  |                 |        |        |         \-----Oda Of Valois
                  |                 |         \-----Adelise Of Meulan
                  |                 |                  \-----Ode
                  |         /-----Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
                  |        |        |                           /-----Robert II The Pious King Of France
                  |        |        |                  /-----Henry I King Of France
                  |        |        |                 |         \-----Constance Of Provence
                  |        |        |         /-----Hugh Magnus Duke Of France
                  |        |        |        |        |         /-----Jaroslav I Grand Prince Of Kiev
                  |        |        |        |         \-----Anne Of Kiev
                  |        |        |        |                  \-----Ingegard
                  |        |         \-----Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
                  |        |                 |                  /-----Eudes Count Of Vermandois
                  |        |                 |         /-----Herbert IV Count Of Vermandois
                  |        |                 |        |         \-----Parvie
                  |        |                  \-----Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess Of Vermandois
                  |        |                          |         /-----Raoul III The Great Count Of Valois And Vexin
                  |        |                           \-----Adela De Valois
                  |        |                                    \-----Adela
                   \-----Hawise DeBEAUMONT
                           |                           /-----Ralph De Gael, Earl Of Norfolk
                           |                  /-----Ralph De Gael De Montfort, Earl Of Norfolk
                           |                 |         \-----Getha
                           |         /-----Ralph De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort-Gael
                           |        |        |                  /-----Osbern De Crepon, Steward Of Normandy
                           |        |        |         /-----William Fitz Osbern, Earl Of Hereford
                           |        |        |        |         \-----Emma Abbess Of St. Amand
                           |        |         \-----Emma Fitz Osbern
                           |        |                 |         /-----Roger I De TOENI
                           |        |                  \-----Adelise De TONI
                           |        |                           \-----Godehildie
                            \-----Amicia De Gael



Descendants of Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
1. Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m1. Sibyl m2. Mary
m. Sibyl
m. Mary

2nd generation

2. Agnes De SAY m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE
m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE father: Alexander De CHEYNE
3. (Unk) De SAY m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley
m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley father: Sir Bartholomew De SUDELEY, Baron Of Sudeley mother: Joan De BEAUCHAMP
4. Hawise De SAY m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering
m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering father: Sir William MARSHAL mother: Pernel Del ORTIAY
5. John De SAY m. Mary
m. Mary
6. Alice De SAY m. William De La FORDE
m. William De La FORDE father: Laurence De La FORDE
7. William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m. Elizabeth
m. Elizabeth

3rd generation

8. William De CHEYNE m. Margaret De SHURLAND
m. Margaret De SHURLAND father: Sir Robert De SHURLAND mother: Margery
9. Bartholomew De SUDELEY m. Maud De MONTFORT
m. Maud De MONTFORT father: John De MONTFORT, Lord Montfort mother: Alice De La PLAUNCHE
13. William MARSHALL, Lord Marshall m. Christian FITZ ROBERT
m. Christian FITZ ROBERT father: Sir Robert FITZ WALTER, Lord Fitz Walter mother: Devorguilla De BURGH
16. Mary De SAY m. John De NORTHWODE
m. John De NORTHWODE father: John De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode mother: Joan De BADLESMERE
17. Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say m. Idoine De LEYBURN
m. Idoine De LEYBURN father: William De LEYBURN, Lord Leyburn mother: Juliane De SANDWICH

4th generation

19. Sir Robert De CHEYNE m.
21. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley m. Eleanor SCALES
m. Eleanor SCALES father: Sir Robert De SCALES, Lord Scales mother: Egeline De COURTENAY
24. Hawise MARSHALL, Baroness Marshall m. Robert De MORLEY, Lord Morley
m. Robert De MORLEY, Lord Morley father: William De MORLEY, Lord Morley mother: Cecily De MOHAUT
26. Joan De NORTHWODE m. Bewes De KNOVILL, Lord Knovill
m. Bewes De KNOVILL, Lord Knovill father: Bewes De KNOVILL, Lord Knovill mother: Joan De La HYDE
27. Juliane De SAY m. Roger De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode
m. Roger De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode father: John De NORTHWODE mother: Agnes De GRANDISON
28. Katherine De SAY m. John De St JOHN, Lord St John Of Lageham
m. John De St JOHN, Lord St John Of Lageham father: John De St JOHN, Lord St John Of Lageham mother: Margery
32. Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say m. Maud De BEAUCHAMP
m. Maud De BEAUCHAMP father: Sir Guy De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick mother: Alice De TOENI

5th generation

33. Sir Richard CHEYNE m. Margery CRALLE
m. Margery CRALLE father: Robert CRALLE mother: Margaret PEPLESHAM
35. Joan De SUDELEY m. William Le BOTILLER, Lord Botiller, Lord Of Wem
m. William Le BOTILLER, Lord Botiller, Lord Of Wem father: William Le BOTILLER, Lord Botiller mother: Beatrice
36. Margery De SUDELEY m1. William TRUMWYN m2. Sir Robert MASSEY
m. William TRUMWYN father: Sir William TRUMWYN mother: Ellen De WESTON
m. Sir Robert MASSEY
38. William De MORLEY, Lord Morley m. Cicely BARDOLF
m. Cicely BARDOLF father: Sir Thomas BARDOLF, Lord Bardolf mother: Agnes De GRANDSON
43. John De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode m. Joan HERT
m. Joan HERT father: Robert HERT
47. Idonea De SAY m. Sir John CLINTON, Lord Clinton
m. Sir John CLINTON, Lord Clinton father: John CLINTON, Lord Clinton mother: Margarey CORBET
48. Joan De SAY m1. Sir William FIENNES m2. Stephen De VALOINES
m. Sir William FIENNES father: Sir John FIENNES mother: Maud De MONCEUX
m. Stephen De VALOINES
49. Elizabeth De SAY m. Thomas De ALDOUN
m. Thomas De ALDOUN father: Sir Thomas De ALDOUN
52. William De SAY, Lord Say m. Beatrice De BREWOSE
m. Beatrice De BREWOSE father: Sir Thomas De BREWOSE, Lord Brewose mother: Beatrice MORTIMER