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  1. Helisant

Bibliography
  1. Ravilious, John, Helisant 'du Perche', wife of Matthew de Lovaine. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 9/6/2006. Subject: CP Correction: Helisant 'du Perche', wife of Matthew de Lovaine. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/GiQpulF-RTk/m/Lamz8d7S-RIJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 9/6/2006-233007].
  2. Stewart, Peter, Helisant 'du Perche', wife of Matthew de Lovaine. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 9/7/2006. Subject: CP Correction: Helisant 'du Perche', wife of Matthew de Lovaine. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/GiQpulF-RTk/m/79a-KZGSFfsJ. Author address: p_m_stewart at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 9/7/2006-183503].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
on or before 20 Mar 1214/5 [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 9/6/2006-233007],
parents:
[Ref: John Ravilious SGM 9/6/2006-233007]
Sources for baptism Information
date:
[Ref: John Ravilious SGM 9/6/2006-233007],
place:
[Ref: John Ravilious SGM 9/6/2006-233007]
Sources with Information about marriage to Catherine LESMAYE
date:
[Ref: John Ravilious SGM 9/6/2006-233007],
place:
[Ref: John Ravilious SGM 9/6/2006-233007],
child:
[Ref: John Ravilious SGM 9/6/2006-233007]
Research Notes:
assumed to be illegitimate, probably due to the succession of William (his great-uncle) as Count in 1217 [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 9/6/2006-233007]

1244: residing in England [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 9/6/2006-233007]

Eh? Count Thomas was born ca 1194 and killed in May 1217: I fail to see any rationale for deciding that a child of his was legitimate just because it was born when he was around 20 years old. Is it even known that Count Thomas was maried to Helisende of Rethel before the baptism of this younger Thomas on 20 March 1215?
The deep trouble for this conjecture is the destiny of the Perche and its countship - when Count Geoffrey III died in 1202 there was no question over the recognition of his son Thomas, aged around 8, as his successor. When this Count Thomas was killed in 1217, there was equally no question over the succession of his great-uncle Guillaume, bishop of Chalons-sur-Marne. This applied in France as well as in England with the bishop's rights to the family's lands there. When he died in 1226, there was a significant problem and dispute arose - but no-one ever mentioned the existence of a legitimate son & heir of Count Thomas (died 1217). The claim was contented between Blanche of Navarre, countess of Champagne (through her descent from Count Geoffrey II) and Jacques, seigneur of Chateau-Gontier (through his descent from Count Rotrou III). There was no claim made for a Thomas aged 11 by anyone, including Countess Helsende who was by then remarried to Garnier IV de Trainel, seigneur of Marigny. She was certainly not the mother of this person. [Ref: Peter Stewart SGM 9/7/2006-183503]



Pedigree of Thomas of Perche
                                                                /-----Fulk Count Of Perche
                                                       /-----Geoffrey I Viscount Of Chateandun
                                                      |         \-----Melisende
                                              /-----Routrou I Vicount Of Chateaudun, Count Of Mortagne
                                             |        |         /-----Renard Lord Of Broyes, Beaufort, And Pithiviers
                                             |         \-----Helvidis Heiress Of Montagne
                                             |                  \-----Helvidis
                                     /-----Geoffrey II De Perche, Count Of Perche
                                    |        |                  /-----William I Count Of Alencon And Bellasme
                                    |        |         /-----Warin De Belleme, Seigneur De Domfront
                                    |        |        |         \-----Mathilde
                                    |         \-----Adeline Of Belleme
                            /-----Routrou II Count Of Perche
                           |        |                           /-----Hildouin I Seigneur De Rameru
                           |        |                  /-----Hildouin II De Rameru
                           |        |         /-----Hildouin III De Rameru, Count Of Montdidier And Roucy
                           |        |        |         \-----Anonima
                           |         \-----Beatrix De Montdidier
                           |                 |                  /-----Giselbert Count Of Roucy
                           |                 |         /-----Ebles I Count Of Rheims And Roucy
                           |                 |        |         \-----(Unk Dau)
                           |                  \-----Adele De Roucy
                           |                          |         /-----Regnier IV Count Of Hainault
                           |                           \-----Beatrix Of Hainault
                           |                                    \-----Hedwig Of France
                   /-----Rotrou III Count Of Perche
                  |        |                           /-----Girold DAPIFER
                  |        |                  /-----Edward De SARESBERIE, Baron Of Trowbridge
                  |        |                 |         \-----Wulfwynn Of Cresswell
                  |        |         /-----Walter De SALISBURY, Baron Of Chitterne
                  |         \-----Hawise De Evereux
                  |                 |                  /-----Hugh
                  |                 |         /-----Patric De CHAWORTH, Baron Of Kempsford
                  |                  \-----Sibyl De CHAWORTH
                  |                          |                  /-----(Unk) De HESDIN
                  |                          |         /-----Ernulph De HESDIN, Baron Of Keevil
                  |                           \-----Matilda De HESDIN
                  |                                    \-----Emmeline
          /-----Geoffrey II Count Of Perche And Mortagne
         |        |                                             /-----Eudes I Count Of Blois
         |        |                                    /-----Eudes II Count Of Blois
         |        |                                   |         \-----Bertha Of Burgandy
         |        |                           /-----Theobald III Count Of Blois And Champagne
         |        |                          |        |         /-----Robert I Count Of Auvergne
         |        |                          |         \-----Ermengarde Of Auvergne
         |        |                          |                  \-----Ermengarde
         |        |                  /-----Stephen Count Of Blois, Leader Of First Crusade
         |        |                 |        |                  /-----Hugh III Count Of Maine
         |        |                 |        |         /-----Herbert Count Of Maine
         |        |                 |         \-----Garsend Of Maine
         |        |         /-----Theobald IV Count Of Blois
         |        |        |        |                           /-----Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy
         |        |        |        |                  /-----Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy
         |        |        |        |                 |         \-----Judith Of Brittany
         |        |        |        |         /-----William The Conqueror King Of England
         |        |        |        |        |        |         /-----Fulbert Of Falaise
         |        |        |        |        |         \-----Herleve Of Falaise
         |        |        |        |        |                  \-----Duxia
         |        |        |         \-----Adela
         |        |        |                 |                  /-----Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders
         |        |        |                 |         /-----Baldwin V Count Of Flanders
         |        |        |                 |        |         \-----Ogive Of Luxembourg
         |        |        |                  \-----Maud Of Flanders
         |        |        |                          |         /-----Robert II The Pious King Of France
         |        |        |                           \-----Adelaide Of France
         |        |        |                                    \-----Constance Of Provence
         |         \-----Mahaut Of Blois
         |                 |                                    /-----Eberhard Von Spondheim
         |                 |                           /-----Siegfried Von Spondheim, Count Of Levanthal
         |                 |                          |         \-----Hedwig
         |                 |                  /-----Engelbert I Von Spondheim, Count In Lavanthal
         |                 |                 |        |         /-----Engelbert IV Count In The Pusterthal
         |                 |                 |         \-----Richardis
         |                 |                 |                  \-----Liutgard
         |                 |         /-----Engelbert II Duke Of Corinthia, Margrave Of Istria
         |                 |        |        |         /-----Bernhard Von Flinsbach
         |                 |        |         \-----Hedwig
         |                 |        |                  \-----Alilia
         |                  \-----Matilda Of Carinthia
         |                          |                           /-----Diepold I Count In The Augsgau
         |                          |                  /-----Ratpoto IV Count Of Vohburg
         |                          |                 |         \-----(Unk)
         |                          |         /-----Ulrich The Rich Count Of Passau
         |                          |        |        |         /-----Siegherd VII Count In Chimgau
         |                          |        |         \-----Mathilda Of Chimgau
         |                          |        |                  \-----Philhild
         |                           \-----Uta Of Passau
         |                                   |                  /-----Henry Count In The Pegnitz
         |                                   |         /-----Kuno Count Of Lechsgemund
         |                                   |        |         \-----(Unk) WELFIN, Countess Of Altdorf
         |                                    \-----Adelheid Countess Of Lechsgemund
         |                                            |         /-----Rudolf Count Of Achalm
         |                                             \-----Mathilde Of Achalm
         |                                                      \-----Adelheid Of Wulflingen
 /-----Thomas Count Of Perche
|        |                                                      /-----Albert Asso I Marquess Of Italy
|        |                                             /-----Albert Asso II Count Of Milan And Maine
|        |                                            |         \-----Adela
|        |                                    /-----Welf IV Duke Of Bavaria
|        |                                   |        |         /-----Welf III Count Of Altdorf
|        |                                   |         \-----Cunegonde Of Carinthia
|        |                                   |                  \-----Imiza Of Luxembourg
|        |                           /-----Henry IX The Black Duke Of Bavaria
|        |                          |        |                  /-----Arnold II The Young Count Of Flanders
|        |                          |        |         /-----Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders
|        |                          |        |        |         \-----Rosela Of Italy
|        |                          |         \-----Judith Of Flanders
|        |                          |                 |         /-----Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy
|        |                          |                  \-----Judith Of Normandy
|        |                          |                           \-----Judith Of Brittany
|        |                  /-----Henry X The Proud Duke Of Bavaria
|        |                 |        |                           /-----Bernard II Duke Of Saxony
|        |                 |        |                  /-----Ordolf Duke Of Saxony
|        |                 |        |                 |         \-----Eilika Of Schweinfurt
|        |                 |        |         /-----Magnus Duke Of Saxony
|        |                 |        |        |        |         /-----Saint Olaf King Of Norway
|        |                 |        |        |         \-----Ulfhild Of Norway
|        |                 |        |        |                  \-----Astrid
|        |                 |         \-----Wulfhilda Of Saxony
|        |                 |                 |                  /-----Vasul King Of Poland
|        |                 |                 |         /-----Bela I King Of Hungary
|        |                 |                 |        |         \-----Katun Of Bulgaria
|        |                 |                  \-----Sophia Of Hungary
|        |                 |                          |         /-----Miesco II King Of Poland
|        |                 |                           \-----Rixa Of Poland
|        |                 |                                    \-----Rixa Of Lorraine
|        |         /-----Henry V The Lion Duke Of Saxony
|        |        |        |                                    /-----Liutger Count In Harzgau
|        |        |        |                           /-----Bernhard Count In Harz-Derlingau
|        |        |        |                  /-----Gebhard Of Supplingenburg, Count In Harzgau
|        |        |        |                 |        |         /-----Gebhard I Count Of Querfurt
|        |        |        |                 |         \-----Ida Of Querfurt
|        |        |        |         /-----Lothar Von Supplinburg, Emperor
|        |        |        |        |        |                  /-----Dietmar (Thiemas) Count In The Quinziggau
|        |        |        |        |        |         /-----Frederick Count Of Formbach
|        |        |        |        |         \-----Hedwig Of Formbach
|        |        |        |        |                 |         /-----Konrad Count Of Haldensleben
|        |        |        |        |                  \-----Gertrude Von Haldenslaben
|        |        |         \-----Gertrude Of Saxony
|        |        |                 |                           /-----Benne Von Northeim, Count In The Rittegau
|        |        |                 |                  /-----Otto I Count Of Northeim, Duke Of Bavaria
|        |        |                 |                 |         \-----Eilika Of Schweinfurt
|        |        |                 |         /-----Henry The Fat Count Of Nordheim
|        |        |                 |        |        |         /-----Otto Count Of Sundgau
|        |        |                 |        |         \-----Richeza
|        |        |                  \-----Richeza Of Nordheim
|        |        |                          |                  /-----Liudolf (Ludwig) Margrave Of Westfriesland
|        |        |                          |         /-----Ekbert II Margrave Of Saxony And Thuringia
|        |        |                          |        |         \-----Gertrudis
|        |        |                           \-----Gertrude Heiress Of Brunswick
|        |        |                                   |         /-----Ulric Manfred II Marquess Of Turin
|        |        |                                    \-----Ermengarde Markgrafin Of Susa
|        |        |                                             \-----Bertha
|         \-----Maud Of Saxony
|                 |                                             /-----Geoffrey Ferreol Count Of The Gatinais
|                 |                                    /-----Fulk IV Rechin Count Of Anjou
|                 |                                   |         \-----Ermengarde Of Anjou
|                 |                           /-----Fulk V The Young Count Of Anjou, King Of Jerusalem
|                 |                          |        |         /-----Simon I De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort L'Amau
|                 |                          |         \-----Bertrade De MONTFORT
|                 |                          |                  \-----Agnes Of Evereux
|                 |                  /-----Geoffrey Plantagenet Count Of Anjou, Duke Of Normandy
|                 |                 |        |                  /-----John De BAUGENCY, Seigneur De La Fleche
|                 |                 |        |         /-----Helias Count Of Maine
|                 |                 |        |        |         \-----Paula Of Maine
|                 |                 |         \-----Erembourg Of Maine
|                 |                 |                 |         /-----Gervase Seigneur De Chateau-Du-Loir
|                 |                 |                  \-----Matilda De Chateau-Du-Loir
|                 |                 |                           \-----Aremburge
|                 |         /-----Henry II Curt Mantel PLANTAGENET, King Of England
|                 |        |        |                           /-----Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy
|                 |        |        |                  /-----William The Conqueror King Of England
|                 |        |        |                 |         \-----Herleve Of Falaise
|                 |        |        |         /-----Henry I Beauclerc King Of England
|                 |        |        |        |        |         /-----Baldwin V Count Of Flanders
|                 |        |        |        |         \-----Maud Of Flanders
|                 |        |        |        |                  \-----Adelaide Of France
|                 |        |         \-----Matilda
|                 |        |                 |                  /-----Donnchad (Duncan I) Mac CRINAN, King Of Scots
|                 |        |                 |         /-----Mael Coluim Ceann Moir (Malcolm III) Canmore Mac DONNCHAD, King Of Scots
|                 |        |                 |        |         \-----Sibylia Of Northumbria
|                 |        |                  \-----Matilda Of Scotland
|                 |        |                          |         /-----Edward Athling The Exile
|                 |        |                           \-----Saint Margaret Of Scotland
|                 |        |                                    \-----Agatha
|                  \-----Maud Of England
|                          |                                    /-----William III Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine
|                          |                           /-----William VI Geoffrey Count Of Poitou
|                          |                          |         \-----Agnes Of Burgundy
|                          |                  /-----William VII Count Of Poitou, IX Duke Of Aquitain
|                          |                 |        |         /-----Robert The Old Duke Of Burgundy
|                          |                 |         \-----Hildegarde Of Burgundy
|                          |                 |                  \-----Ermengarde Of Anjou
|                          |         /-----William VIII Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine
|                          |        |        |                  /-----Pons Count Of Toulouse
|                          |        |        |         /-----William IV Count Of Toulouse
|                          |        |        |        |         \-----Adelmode De La Marche
|                          |        |         \-----Maud Of Toulouse
|                          |        |                 |         /-----Robert De Mortain, Count Of Mortain In Avranchi
|                          |        |                  \-----Emma De MORTAIN
|                          |        |                           \-----Maud De Montgomery
|                           \-----Eleanor Duchess Of Aquitaine
|                                   |                           /-----Hugh De La ROCUEFOUCAUD, Vicount Of Chateller
|                                   |                  /-----Boso II Vicount De Chastellerault
|                                   |                 |         \-----Gergerga
|                                   |         /-----Aimery I Vicount De Chatellerault
|                                   |        |        |         /-----Aimery IV De THOUARS, Vicomte De Thouars
|                                   |        |         \-----Eleanor De THOUARS
|                                   |        |                  \-----Aurengarge De MAULEON
|                                    \-----Eleanor De CHASTELLERAULT
|                                            |                  /-----Archembaud Borel Sire De Isle-Bouchard
|                                            |         /-----Barthelemy Sire De Isle Bouchard
|                                            |        |         \-----Agnes
|                                             \-----Dangerose
|                                                      \-----Gerberga
Thomas of Perche
|                                    /-----Eudes Count Of Rethel
|                           /-----Gonthier/Itier Count Of Rethel
|                          |        |                           /-----Manasses II Count Of Rethel
|                          |        |                  /-----Manasses III Count Of Rethel
|                          |        |                 |         \-----Judith Of Roucy
|                          |        |         /-----Hugh I Count Of Rethel
|                          |        |        |        |         /-----Giselbert Count Of Roucy
|                          |        |        |         \-----Yevette
|                          |        |        |                  \-----(Unk Dau)
|                          |         \-----Mathilda Countess Of Rethel
|                          |                 |                  /-----Milon I Seigneur De La Ferte
|                          |                 |         /-----Guy Seigneur De Montchery And Bray
|                          |                 |        |         \-----(Unk Dau)
|                          |                  \-----Malisinde
|                          |                          |         /-----William Lord Of Burea
|                          |                           \-----Hodierna De La Ferte
|                  /-----Manasses III Count Of Rethel
|                 |        |                                    /-----Albert I Count Of Namur
|                 |        |                           /-----Albert II Count Of Namur
|                 |        |                          |         \-----Adelheid Of Lorraine
|                 |        |                  /-----Albert III Count Of Namur
|                 |        |                 |        |         /-----Gothelo I Duke Of Upper And Lower Lorraine
|                 |        |                 |         \-----Regilinde Of Lorraine
|                 |        |                 |                  \-----Ita
|                 |        |         /-----Godfrey Count Of Namur
|                 |        |        |        |                  /-----Bernard I Duke Of Saxony
|                 |        |        |        |         /-----Bernard II Duke Of Saxony
|                 |        |        |        |        |         \-----Hildegard Of Stade
|                 |        |        |         \-----Ida Of Saxony
|                 |        |        |                 |         /-----Henrich Margrave Of Schweinfurt
|                 |        |        |                  \-----Eilika Of Schweinfurt
|                 |        |        |                           \-----Gerberga Of Gleiberg
|                 |         \-----Beatrix Of Namur
|                 |                 |                           /-----Frederick I Count Of Luxemburg
|                 |                 |                  /-----Giselbert Count Of Luxembourg
|                 |                 |                 |         \-----Ermentrude Of Kinziggau
|                 |                 |         /-----Conrad I Count Of Luxembourg
|                 |                  \-----Ermesinde
|                 |                          |                  /-----William III Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine
|                 |                          |         /-----William V Peter Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine
|                 |                          |        |         \-----Agnes Of Burgundy
|                 |                           \-----Clementia Of Poitou
|                 |                                    \-----Emisinde Of Longwy
|         /-----Hugh II Count Of Rethel
|        |        |                           /-----Goswin Count Of Veldenz
|        |        |                  /-----Emicho I Wildgraf, Count Of Kyrburg
|        |        |                 |        |                  /-----Emicho Count In Nehegau
|        |        |                 |        |         /-----Emicho Count In Nehegau
|        |        |                 |        |        |         \-----Kunigunde Of Stromberg
|        |        |                 |         \-----(Unk) Of Nehegau
|        |        |                 |                  \-----Hizecha
|        |        |         /-----Konrad I Wildgraf, Count Of Kyrburg
|        |         \-----Mathilde Wildgrafin Of Kyrburg
|        |                 |                                    /-----Richwin Count Of Scarpons
|        |                 |                           /-----Louis Of Montbeliard, Count Of Bar
|        |                 |                          |         \-----Hildegarde Of Egisheim
|        |                 |                  /-----Thierry II Count Of Bar
|        |                 |                 |        |         /-----Frederick II Count Of Bar, Duke Of Lorraine
|        |                 |                 |         \-----Sophia Countess Of Bar
|        |                 |                 |                  \-----Mathilde Of Swabia
|        |                 |         /-----Renaud I Count Of Bar
|        |                 |        |        |                  /-----Raynald I Count Of Burgundy
|        |                 |        |        |         /-----William I The Great Count Of Burgundy
|        |                 |        |        |        |         \-----Alice Of Normandy
|        |                 |        |         \-----Ermentrude Of Burgandy
|        |                 |        |                 |         /-----Berengar Raimond I Count Of Barcelona
|        |                 |        |                  \-----Stephanie Of Barcelona
|        |                 |        |                           \-----Guisle Of Lluca
|        |                  \-----(Unk Dau) Of Bar
|        |                          |                           /-----Gerhard III Count Of Alsace
|        |                          |                  /-----Gerhard IV Count Of Alsatia, Duke Of Lorraine Mosel
|        |                          |                 |         \-----Gisela
|        |                          |         /-----Gerard I Of Lorraine, Count Of Vaudemont
|        |                          |        |         \-----Hedwig
|        |                           \-----Gisele De VAUDEMONT
|        |                                   |                  /-----Heinrich I Count Of Egisheim And Dagsburg
|        |                                   |         /-----Gerard II Count Of Egisheim
|        |                                   |        |         \-----(Unk) Of Moha
|        |                                    \-----Helwide/Edith Of Egisheim
|        |                                             \-----Richarde
 \-----Helissende Of Rethel
         |                                                      /-----Sir Isembard Lord Of Broyes And Beaufort
         |                                             /-----Hugues I Bardoul Lord Of Broyes And Beaufort
         |                                    /-----Barthelemy Lord Of Broyes And Beaufort
         |                                   |         \-----Alvidis
         |                           /-----Hugues II Bardoul Lord Of Broyes, Beaufort, And Baye
         |                          |        |                  /-----Raoul II Seigneur Of Crepy And Valois
         |                          |        |         /-----Raoul III The Great Count Of Valois And Vexin
         |                          |        |        |         \-----Adelaide Of Bretemil
         |                          |         \-----Adelaide Of Valois
         |                          |                 |         /-----Nocher III Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube
         |                          |                  \-----Adela
         |                  /-----Simon I Lord Of Broyes, Beaufort, And Baye
         |                 |        |                           /-----Milon I Seigneur De La Ferte
         |                 |        |                  /-----Guy Seigneur De Montchery And Bray
         |                 |        |                 |         \-----(Unk Dau)
         |                 |        |         /-----Milan Le Gros Seigneur De Montchery
         |                 |        |        |        |         /-----William Lord Of Burea
         |                 |        |        |         \-----Hodierna De La Ferte
         |                 |         \-----Emeline Of Monthery
         |                 |                 |                  /-----Guillaume Count Of Eu
         |                 |                 |         /-----William Count Of Eu
         |                 |                 |        |         \-----Lesceline De Turqueville
         |                 |                  \-----Lithwise Vicomtes De Troyes
         |                 |                          |         /-----Renaud Count Of Soissons
         |                 |                           \-----Aelis
         |         /-----Simon Lord Of Beauford
         |        |        |                  /-----Walter I Count Of Brienne
         |        |        |         /-----Erard I Count Of Brienne
         |        |        |        |        |                  /-----Milo Count
         |        |        |        |        |         /-----Milo Count Of Tonnerre
         |        |        |        |         \-----Estachia
         |        |        |        |                  \-----Azcha
         |        |         \-----Felicite Of Brienne
         |        |                 |                           /-----Hildouin II De Rameru
         |        |                 |                  /-----Hildouin III De Rameru, Count Of Montdidier And Roucy
         |        |                 |                 |         \-----Anonima
         |        |                 |         /-----Andre De Roucy, Lord Of Rameru
         |        |                 |        |        |         /-----Ebles I Count Of Rheims And Roucy
         |        |                 |        |         \-----Adele De Roucy
         |        |                 |        |                  \-----Beatrix Of Hainault
         |        |                  \-----Alix Of Rameru
         |        |                           \-----Adele
          \-----Felicite De Broyes
                  |         /-----Renaud II Count Of Joigny
                   \-----Agnes Of Joigny
                           |                                    /-----Renaud II Count Of Nevers And Auxerre
                           |                           /-----William II Count Of Nevers
                           |                          |         \-----Agnes De Baugency
                           |                  /-----William III Count Of Nevers D'Auxerre
                           |                 |         \-----Adele
                           |         /-----William IV Count Of Nevers
                           |        |        |                  /-----Engelbert I Von Spondheim, Count In Lavanthal
                           |        |        |         /-----Engelbert II Duke Of Corinthia, Margrave Of Istria
                           |        |        |        |         \-----Hedwig
                           |        |         \-----Ida Of Karnten
                           |        |                 |         /-----Ulrich The Rich Count Of Passau
                           |        |                  \-----Uta Of Passau
                           |        |                           \-----Adelheid Countess Of Lechsgemund
                            \-----Adele Of Nevers
                                    |                           /-----Henry I King Of France
                                    |                  /-----Hugh Magnus Duke Of France
                                    |                 |         \-----Anne Of Kiev
                                    |         /-----Raoul I Count Of Vermandois
                                    |        |        |         /-----Herbert IV Count Of Vermandois
                                    |        |         \-----Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess Of Vermandois
                                    |        |                  \-----Adela De Valois
                                     \-----Eleanore Of Vermandois
                                             |                  /-----William VII Count Of Poitou, IX Duke Of Aquitain
                                             |         /-----William VIII Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine
                                             |        |         \-----Maud Of Toulouse
                                              \-----Petronelle Of Poitou
                                                      |         /-----Aimery I Vicount De Chatellerault
                                                       \-----Eleanor De CHASTELLERAULT
                                                                \-----Dangerose



Descendants of Thomas of Perche
1. Thomas of Perche m. Catherine LESMAYE
m. Catherine LESMAYE

2nd generation

2. Helisant m. Matthew De LOUVAINE, Baron Of Little Easton
m. Matthew De LOUVAINE, Baron Of Little Easton father: Matthew De LOUVAINE, Baron Of Little Easton mother: Muriel (Amy)

3rd generation

3. Eleanor LOVAINE m1. Sir William De FERRERS m2. Sir William DOUGLAS m3. Sir William BAGOT
m. Sir William De FERRERS father: William De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby mother: Margaret De QUINCEY
m. Sir William DOUGLAS father: Sir William DOUGLAS mother: Constance
m. Sir William BAGOT father: Sir William BAGOT mother: Isabel

4th generation

5. Archibald DOUGLAS, Regent Of Scotland m. Beatrice LINDSAY
m. Beatrice LINDSAY father: Sir Alexander LINDSAY mother: (Unk) STEWART

5th generation

7. William DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas m1. Margaret Countess Of Mar m2. Margaret STEWART, Countess Of Angus And Mar
m. Margaret Countess Of Mar father: Donald Earl Of Mar mother: Isabel STEWART
m. Margaret STEWART, Countess Of Angus And Mar father: Thomas STEWART, Earl Of Angus mother: Margaret SINCLAIR
8. Eleanor DOUGLAS m1. Alexander De BRUS, Earl Of Carrick m2. James SANDILANDS m3. Sir William TOWERS m4. Sir Duncan WALLACE m5. Sir Patrick HEPBURN, Lord Of Hailes
m. Alexander De BRUS, Earl Of Carrick father: Edward De BRUS, Earl Of Carrick, King Of Irelan mother: Isabel Of Atholl
m. James SANDILANDS
m. Sir William TOWERS
m. Sir Duncan WALLACE
m. Sir Patrick HEPBURN, Lord Of Hailes father: Adam HEPBURN mother: Marion FOURBOUR