Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Sir David LINDSAY Birth: Before 1297
Death: 1355
- Alexander LINDSAY Birth: 2
Death: After 1314
- Reginald LINDSAY Birth: 3
- William LINDSAY Birth: 4
Death: Before Jan 1339
- Beatrice LINDSAY Death: Before 1352
Bibliography
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 03 Canonteigh-Cutts. London: St Catherine Press, 1913. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 3 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo03coka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP III [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Ravilious, John, Agnes, 1st wife of Sir Patrick Hepburn. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 10/12/2005. Subject: Agnes, 1st wife of Sir Patrick Hepburn (d. ca. 1402): a conjecture. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/WuEywaCWvr4/m/cNMFSWGQ0vsJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 10/12/2005-213939].
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Ravilious, John, wife of Sir Alexander de Abernethy. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 11/26/2006. Subject: SP Addition: ___ de Menteith, wife of Sir Alexander de Abernethy. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/o34S6My_KvA/m/gI5uGbq1fu4J. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/26/2006-224020].
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Ravilious, John, Ancestry of Mary Abernethy. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 12/5/2003. Subject: The Ancestry of Mary Abernethy: a Menteith Connection ?. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/X58qUkPbTp8/m/vgJRSZz_CEoJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 12/5/2003-124742].
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Ravilious, John, Sir James de Lindsay and Egidia Stewart. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 6/11/2003. Subject: SP Correction: Sir James de Lindsay and Egidia Stewart. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/lP0vkKSf0Dc/m/xmTBqt4mt6QJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 6/11/2003-170243].
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Ravilious, John, Earls of Menteith, in The Scottish Genealogist, vol LVII no 3 (Sep 2010), pp130-139. Available at https://independent.academia.edu/JohnRavilious. This article at https://www.academia.edu/5603318/TSG_Earls_of_Menteith_LVII. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Ravilious Menteith p[0-9]*].
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Paul, Sir James Balfour, Scots Peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that Kingdom. Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904. NYPL ARO (Scots Peerage) (too fragile to copy). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/216265. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: SP III p[0-9]*].
Sources for birth and parent Information
- mother:
- daughter of Alexander le Steward [Ref: John Ravilious SGM
10/12/2005-213939, John Ravilious SGM 11/26/2006-224020, John Ravilious SGM
12/5/2003-124742, John Ravilious SGM 6/11/2003-170243, Ravilious Menteith
p133]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
- brother:
- James Steward of Scotland [Ref: SP III p9]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir Alexander LINDSAY
- names:
- Alexander de LINDSAY & granddau of Alexander le Steward [Ref: John
Ravilious SGM 10/12/2005-213939, Ravilious Menteith p133]
- Alexander de LINDSAY & sister of James Steward of Scotland [Ref: SP III
p10, SP III p9]
- Sir Alexander LINDSAY & ___ STEWART [Ref: CP III p57],
- child:
- [Ref: CP III p57, John Ravilious SGM 10/12/2005-213939, Ravilious
Menteith p133, SP III p10, SP III p9]
Research Notes:
conjectured to be daughter of NN & daughter of Alexander STEWART, based on
dispensation for marriage of David Lindsay and Mary Abernethy [Ref: John
Ravilious SGM 11/26/2006-224020, John Ravilious SGM 12/5/2003-124742]
With regard to Sir James de Lindsay, Lord of Crawford (d. bef 11 Nov 1358) and
his wife Egidia Stewart, daughter of Walter the Stewart (half-sister to King
Robert II), the account in SP states,
'A papal dispensation for this marriage was granted at Avignon 3 Ides of
April 1346, which describes the spouses as within the third and fourth degree
on the father's side, and in the fourth degree on the mother's. A strong
inference thus arises that Sir James' grandmother, wife of Sir Alexander, was
daughter to the Steward.'
This would seem a reasonable hypothesis, and is taken up in the databases
most noted on the internet [showing the wife of Sir Alexander Lindsay as a
daughter of Alexander le Steward, d. 1283, and his wife Jean of Bute, also
called Jean 'mac Sorley'], but only if the 'third degree' relationship were
that of Sir James, and not of his wife. In fact, this is in error, and the
wife of Sir Alexander Lindsay could not be the daughter of (this particular)
Alexander le Steward.
The chronology supports this. The usual presumption is of course, that the
shorter range of generations would be that of the husband (James in this
case), but the following disprove the presumption:
(A) Walter the Stewart, father of Egidia, being a younger son of James le
Stewart, and being born at a rather late date in James' career at that. James,
whose parents were born one in 1214, the other no later than 1211, was likely
over 50 years of age at Walter's birth); and
(B) Egidia herself was a daughter of Walter le Stewart's 2nd marriage, to
Isabel Graham, and was born when her father Walter was say 30 years of age, or
possibly more (she was first married in 1346, some 20 years after her father's
death at age 33 or 34).
(C) Egidia was a granddaughter of James le Steward; if Sir James de Lindsay
was the grandson of a daughter of the same James le Steward, their
relationship would have been in the 2nd and 3rd degrees. [Ref: John Ravilious
SGM 6/11/2003-170243]
Pedigree of (Unk) STEWART
(Unk) STEWART
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Alan Fitz Flaald
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Fleald Fitz Alan
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Alan FITZ FLEALD
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Walter FITZALAN, High Steward Of Scotland
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(Unk) De HESDIN
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Ernulph De HESDIN, Baron Of Keevil
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Avelina De HESDIN
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Emmeline
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Alan High Steward Of Scotland
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Thomas Of London
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Sechym De MOILE
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Walter Stewart, High Steward Of Scotland
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Swan
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Eva
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Alexander STEWART, High Steward Of Scotland
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Gilbride Earl Of Angus
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Gilchrist Earl Of Angus
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Crinan The Thane Abbot Of Dunkeld
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Maldred Lord Of Carlisle
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Bethoc
| | | | | /-----
Gospatric I Earl Of Northumberland
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Uchtred Earl Of Northumberland
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Ealdgyth
| | | | | | \-----
Alfgifu
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(Unk Dau) Of Dunbar
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Edgar The Peaceful King Of England
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Ethelred II The Redeless King Of England
| | | | | | \-----
Aelfthryth
| | | | \-----
(Unk Dau)
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Thored Ealdorman Of Northumbria
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Alfflaed
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Beatrix Of Angus
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(Unk) STEWART
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(Unk) De COMYN
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(Unk) De COMYN
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Richard COMYN
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William COMYN, Earl Of Buchan
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Waltheof Of Tynedale
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Uchtred Of Tynedale
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Hextilde of Tynedale
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Crinan The Thane Abbot Of Dunkeld
| | | /-----
Donnchad (Duncan I) Mac CRINAN, King Of Scots
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Bethoc
| | | /-----
Domnall Bane (Donald) Mac DONNCHAD, King Of Scots
| | | | | /-----
Sigurd Digera Earl Of Northumbria
| | | | \-----
Sibylia Of Northumbria
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Aelflaed
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Bethoc Of Scotland
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Joanna
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Colban Earl Of Buchan
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Roger Earl Of Buchan
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Cainneach (Kenneth)
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Gartnach Mormaer Of Buchan
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Eve Countess Of Buchan
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Gillemichel MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife
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Ete
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Fergus Earl Of Buchan
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Margaret Countess Of Buchan
Descendants of (Unk) STEWART
2nd generation
3rd generation
4th generation
5th generation