Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Sir Robert CONSTABLE Death: Before 1272
- Richard CONSTABLE Death: After 1258
- John CONSTABLE
- Henry CONSTABLE
- Theobald CONSTABLE
Bibliography
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Ravilious, John, Robert le Constable. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 1/14/2008. Subject: Robert le Constable. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/hzre-usTVrM/m/ugCgJBrU9ZYJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/14/2008-164418].
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Ravilious, John, Juliana (de Eyville), wife of William le Constable. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 4/27/2004. Subject: Constable Connections ! Juliana (de Eyville), wife of William le Constable. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/o1AGnpRv0Mk/m/4IuYNgKW7jsJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 4/27/2004-011645].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
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Bevan, Rosie, Roger de Arundel and the Birkins. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 6/14/2003. Subject: Magister Roger de Arundel and the Birkins of Laxton, co. Notts.. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/O4Fwp50WMyg/m/bOboMTFLKu0J. Author address: rbevan at fernside dot co dot nz. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Rosie Bevan SGM 6/14/2003-075655].
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v2p530]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- after 23 Nov 1267 [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/14/2008-164418]
Sources with Information about marriage to William CONSTABLE
- names:
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- child:
- [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/14/2008-164418, John Ravilious SGM
4/27/2004-011645]
Research Notes:
since the posting in 2004 concerning the Constable and Daiville families:
while the earlier statement still stands, that Juliana (wife of William le
Constable) can not be ruled out as a daughter of Robert de Daiville and
Juliana de Montfort, I think the chronology that is known makes it more
probable that she was their granddaughter, and a daughter of John de Daiville
and Maud de Percy [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/14/2008-164418, John Ravilious
SGM 4/27/2004-011645]
1. Robert de Daiville and Juliana de Montfort (his 2nd wife) were married
before 1170: presumably close to this date, but Rosie Bevan [Re: Stuteville of
Cottingham, SGM, 8 September 2002] placed the agreement as to her dower in the
period 1154x1170. We can reasonably place Juliana de Montfort's birthdate in a
range of say 1140 x 1158, and while possibly extending this somewhat earlier,
I think a narrow range of say 1150 x 1155 would seem reasonable.
2. Juliana's younger son Nicholas de Daiville was an active supporter of
Prince John in 1195 [Oscar De Ville, John Deyville: A Neglected Rebel,
Northern History XXXIV:38-39]. Placing his birth say 1172 x 1177 would seem
reasonable. Placing his elder brother John's birth in a range of say 1168 x
1175 also would work with the above guess for Juliana de Montfort being born
say 1150 x 1155, and starting producing her children just before or after
1170.
3. From the foregoing, it is likely that Juliana de Montfort would have
been aged 40 in about 1190 x 1195, and would have ceased producing issue say
1195 x 1200. For Juliana de Daiville, wife of William le Constable, to have
been her daughter, she would have been aged say 67 to 72 in 1267 when she is
last on record: pushing her birth to an earlier (perhaps more conventional)
period of say 1175 x 1185 would make her aged say 82 to 92 in 1267, which
would appear somewhat unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely.
4. Juliana de Daiville's husband was a grantor of a charter to North Ormsby
priory together with his father some time before 1208 [EYC XII:94-95, no. 70,
cites Transcripts of Gilbertine Charters, p. 65]. Their younger son John was
instituted to Egmanton 'presumably earlier than 1244' [EYC XII:147, note 8].
Likely John was born say 1215x1220, and (given typical institutions of young
well-born priests) I'd say likely into the latter part of this range. This
would work well with an approximate birth range for William le Constable
(Juliana's husband) of say 1185x1190.
Given the foregoing, there is much conjecture, but an approximate
reasonable range for Juliana de Daiville's birth of say 1190x1200 seems
reasonable. This is still in the conjectured 'reasonable' birth range for
Juliana de Montfort, but there are details on the Percy side to consider:
1. Joscelin de Louvain, husband of Agnes de Percy and father of Maud (wife
of John de Daiville) died ca. 1180. We know Maud de Percy was certainly born
before that date, and presumably somewhat before.
2. Maud's brother Henry de Percy was married to Isabel de Brus, and had his
son and heir William born ca. 1193 [CP].
It would seem quite likely that Maud de Percy was producing issue not much
earlier than that date (1193), and very possibly in a range of say 1190 to
1220 herself (depending on how close to 1180 she was born). If Juliana de
Daiville were in fact born say 1190 to 1200, this would fit very well with the
conjectured dates for her mother Maud de Percy, and those currently
conjectured for her younger son John.
Add to this the limited potential for Juliana de Montfort to have been
Juliana de Daiville's mother as noted above, and I think it most likely (if
not proven) that John de Daiviile and Maud de Percy were Juliana de Daiville's
parents. [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/14/2008-164418]
Pedigree of Juliana DEIVILLE
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Richard De DAIVILLE
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Robert De DAIVILLE
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Robert De DAIVILLE
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John De DAIVILLE
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(Unk) De MONTFORT
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Henry De MONTFORT
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Thurston De MONTFORT
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Julian De MONTFORT
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Geoffrey MURDAC
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Juliane MURDAC
Juliana DEIVILLE
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Regnier II Count Of Hainaut
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Regnier III Count Of Hainaut
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Adelaide Of Burgundy
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Lambert I The Bearded Count Of Louvain
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Lambert Count Of Louvain
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Adele Of Louvain
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(Unk Dau) Of Betuwe
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Lambert II The Belted Count Of Louvain
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Louis IV D'OUTRE-MER, King Of Franks
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Charles Duke Of Lower Lorraine
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Gerberga Of Saxony
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Gerberga Of Lorraine
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Adelheid Of Ardennes
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Henry II Of Brabant, Count Of Lorraine
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Gonzelon Count In Bidgau
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Godfrey Count Of Verdun
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Oda Of Metz
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Gothelo I Duke Of Upper And Lower Lorraine
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Hermann Billung Duke Of Saxony
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Matilda Of Saxony
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Hildegarde Of Westerbourg
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Oda Of Lorraine
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Conrad I Duke Of Swabia
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Conrad III Of Swabia, Count Of Ortenau
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Judith Of Marchtal
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Ita
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Frederick Count Of Verdon
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Beatrix
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Godfrey I The Bearded Duke Of Brabant
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Eberhard Count of Hamaland
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Dietrich Bishop Of Metz
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Amadrada
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Frethehard Count In Teisterbant
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Eberhard Of Betuew And Teisterbant
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Adelaide Of Betuew
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Jocelin LOUVAIN, Lord Of Petworth
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Maud De PERCY
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(Unk) De PERCY
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William Algernon De PERCY, Baron Of Topcliffe
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Alan De PERCY, Baron Of Topcliffe
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(Unk) De PORT
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Hugh De PORT, Baron Of Basing
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Emma De PORT
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Orence
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William De PERCY, Baron Of Topcliffe
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Ralph De GANT
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Ralph De GANT, Lord Of Aalst
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Gilbert De GANT, Baron Of Folkingham
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Siegfried Count Of Luxemburg
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Frederick I Count Of Luxemburg
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Hedwig Of Nordgau
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Gisele Of Luxembourg
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Herbert I Count In The Kinziggau
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Ermentrude Of Kinziggau
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Irmentrude
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Emma De GANT
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Thursten De Bastenburgh
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Hugh With The Beard De Montfort
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Hugh De Montfort, Baron Of Haughley
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Alice De MONTFORT
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Richard De Beaufour
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Alice Of Beaufour
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Ralph Count Of Ivry
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(Dau)
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Albereda
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Agnes De PERCY
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Godfrey Count Of Brionne
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Gilbert Count Of Brionne
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Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
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Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
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Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
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Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
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Wevie
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Rohese GIFFARD
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Gerard De FLEITELL
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Ermengarde FLATEL
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Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
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Hugh Butler Of France
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Renaud Count Of Clermont
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Hugh Count Of Clermont
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Ermengardis
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Adeliza De CLERMONT
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Hildouin II De Rameru
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Hildouin III De Rameru, Count Of Montdidier And Roucy
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Anonima
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Margaret De Roucy
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Ebles I Count Of Rheims And Roucy
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Adele De Roucy
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Beatrix Of Hainault
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Adeliza De TUNBRIDGE
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Anschitil Vicomte Of The Bessin
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Ranulph I De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
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Ranulph II De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
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Richard III Duke Of Normandy
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Alice Of Normandy
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Ranulph III De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester
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Turstain De Goz, Vicount Of Hiemois
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Richard Le Goz, Vicomte D'Avranches
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Margaret Le Goz
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Emma
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Adeliza Le MESCHIN
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(Unk)
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Thorold Of Buckingham, Sheriff Of Lincoln
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Lucia Of East Angies
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William MALET
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(Unk Dau)
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Gilbert Crespin, Lord Of Tillieres
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Esilia CRISPIN
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Gunnor De ANJOU
Descendants of Juliana DEIVILLE
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