Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Geoffrey De St JOHN Birth: 1
Death: Before 1239
- Sir Robert De St JOHN, Baron Of Basing Birth: 2
Death: Abt 25 Mar 1266/7
- Adam De St JOHN Birth: 3
- William De St JOHN Birth: 4
- Godeheut De St JOHN
Marriage:
Bibliography
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Bevan, Rosie, Corrections to K. S. B. Keats-Rohan's Domesday Series, Volume II: Domesday Descendants. Version 7, 25 Sep 2005. Available at http://www.fmg.ac/Projects/Domesday/ Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Bevan DD++ p[0-9]*].
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Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Robert de Tony and John de St. John. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 8/8/2003. Subject: Edmund, Earl of Lancaster's cousin, John de St. John. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/GW5vtfvVRnQ/m/S8UXmSqafmwJ. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 8/8/2003-021934].
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Ravilious, John, Godeheut, wife of William de St John, possibly a Tony. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 8/2/2003. Subject: Edmund, Earl of Lancaster's cousin, John de St. John. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/GW5vtfvVRnQ/m/yb7Zht3KKU8J. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 8/2/2003-172853].
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Ravilious, John, Evidence for Godeheut de Tony as wife of William de St John. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 8/6/2003. Subject: Edmund, Earl of Lancaster's cousin, John de St. John. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/GW5vtfvVRnQ/m/N6uklQYyESQJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 8/6/2003-212215].
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Portculis, Corrected St. John ancestry. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 1/29/1998. Subject: Corrected St. John ancestry. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/vzyLA-greOA/m/Yw9-lqZgEIsJ. Author address: portculis at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Portculis SGM 1/29/1998].
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- parents:
- [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 8/8/2003-021934, John Ravilious SGM
8/2/2003-172853]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
- father:
- ___ PAYNEL [Ref: Bevan DD++ p691]
Sources with Information about marriage to William De St JOHN, Baron Of Basing
- date:
- first marriage of Godeheut [Ref: Bevan DD++ p691, CP XI p322, Richardson
RoyalAnc v4p316],
- names:
- [Ref: Portculis SGM 1/29/1998],
- child:
- [Ref: Bevan DD++ p691, Burke Peerage p1766, CP XI p322(h), CP XI
p322(k), CP XI p322, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p316]
Sources with Information about marriage to Richard De LUCY
- date:
- before 1242/3 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p316]
- by 1242-3 as second marriage of Godeheut [Ref: CP XI p322]
- second marriage of Godeheut [Ref: Bevan DD++ p691]
Research Notes:
To summary the evidence now in hand:
1. The name Godeheut was rare, and itself has been identified by Charles
Fitch-Northen as a basis [in an Anglo-Norman setting] for deducing a Tony
relationship [1].
2. William de St. John, of Basing, Hants. and West Shefford, Berks. (d.
1239), the husband of Godeheut, is contemporaneous with the issue of Roger de
Tosny and Constance de Beaumont. Ralph de Tosny, of Flamstead, also died in
1239, and Roger d. in 1228.
3. Sir John de St. John (grandson of Godeheut) is identified by Douglas
Richardson as 'cousin' of Edmund of Lancaster, specifically as ' son chier
cousin mon sire Johan de Seint Johan '. [2]
4. As I noted on 3 August, there is no relationship between Edmund of
Lancaster and Sir John de St. John that would account for this, except through
the previously unknown ancestry of Sir John's grandmother Godeheut [3]. If
Godeheut was a daughter of Constance de Beaumont, her grandson Sir John de St.
John (d. bef 30 Sept 1302) would be a 4th cousin 1x removed from Edmund of
Lancaster, a relationship that would have resulted in one party addressing the
other as 'cousin' or 'kinsman' during the period.
5. The evidence found by Douglas Richardson in the Curia Regis Rolls which
indicates that Godeheut de St. John (wife of William, and grandmother of Sir
John) "took the veil and became a nun at the priory of St. Giles de Cella [aka
St. Giles-in-the-Woods] at Flamstead, co. Hertford in or about 1243", and that
"her son, Robert de Saint John, made a valuable gift of annual income to the
priory for the health of the souls of his father, himself, and his mother,
Godeheut" [4].
We then find Godeheut de St. John near the end of her life, in 1243, in a
nunnery founded by Roger de Tony.
While we are short of the desired proof of the relationship, the
circumstantial evidence presented in this thread establishes that Godeheut ( )
(Paynell) St. John should be identified as Godeheut de Tony, daughter of Roger
de Tony and Constance de Beaumont. [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 8/6/2003-212215]
in the Boxgrove Stemma Funditoris (Dugdale Mon vol iv p646) to have been
a dau of ___ PAYNEL [Ref: CP XI p322(h)]
Pedigree of Godeheut
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Ralph I De TOENI
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Ralph II De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches
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Roger I De TOENI
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Ralph III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Godehildie
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Ralph IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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William Count Of Hainault
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Amauri III De MONTFORT
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(Unk) Heiress Of Montfort And Epernon
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Simon I De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort L'Amau
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Guilaume De Gommetz
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Bertrade De GOMMETZ
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Alberade
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Isabel De MONTFORT
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Sir Isembard Lord Of Broyes And Beaufort
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Hugues I Bardoul Lord Of Broyes And Beaufort
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Isabel Of Broyes
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Alvidis
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Roger III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Ulsius
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Beorn
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Sigurd Digera Earl Of Northumbria
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Waltheof II Earl Of Huntingdon
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Uchtred Earl Of Northumberland
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Ealdred Of Bernicia
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Ecfrida
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Aelflaed
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Alice Of Northumberland
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Baldwin Count Of Boulogne
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Eustace I Count Of Boulogne
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Adela Of Holland
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Lambert Of Boulogne, Count Of Lens
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Lambert I The Bearded Count Of Louvain
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Maud Of Louvain
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Gerberga Of Lorraine
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Judith Of Lens
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Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy
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Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy
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Judith Of Brittany
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Adelaide Of Normandy
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Fulbert Of Falaise
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Herleve Of Falaise
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Duxia
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Ralph V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders
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Baldwin V Count Of Flanders
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Ogive Of Luxembourg
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Baldwin VI De MONS, Count Of Flanders
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Robert II The Pious King Of France
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Adelaide Of France
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Constance Of Provence
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Baldwin II Count Of Hainault
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Hugh IV Of Egisheim, Count Of The Lower Alsace
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Gerhard II Count Of Egisheim
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Heilwig Of Dagsburg
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Richilde Countess Of Hainault
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Berta
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Baldwin III Count Of Hainault
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Lambert I The Bearded Count Of Louvain
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Lambert II The Belted Count Of Louvain
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Gerberga Of Lorraine
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Henry II Of Brabant, Count Of Lorraine
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Gothelo I Duke Of Upper And Lower Lorraine
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Oda Of Lorraine
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Ita
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Ida Of Louvain
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Frethehard Count In Teisterbant
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Eberhard Of Betuew And Teisterbant
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Adelaide Of Betuew
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Ida (Gertrude) Of Hainault
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(Unk)
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Gerard Flameus Count Of Teirterbant
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Dietrich Flameus Count In The Velux
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Gerald I Count Of Guelders And Wassenberg
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Yolande Of Guelders
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Roger IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Torf The Rich
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Thorold Seigeur Of Pont-Audemer
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Etemberga De Briquebec
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Humphrey De Vieilles
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(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
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Aveline
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Roger De Beaumont
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Aubreye De La Haie
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Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Galeran II Count Of Meulen
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Hugo I Count Of Meulen
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Waleran Count Of Meulan
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Walter II Count Of Amiens, Valois, And The Vexin
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Oda Of Valois
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Adele
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Adelise Of Meulan
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Ode
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Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Hugh Capet King Of France
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Robert II The Pious King Of France
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Adelaide Of Poitou
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Henry I King Of France
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William I Count Of Aries And Provence
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Constance Of Provence
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Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou
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Hugh Magnus Duke Of France
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Saint Vladimir Grand Prince Of Kiev
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Jaroslav I Grand Prince Of Kiev
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Rogneide Of Polotzk
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Anne Of Kiev
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Olaf III SKOTKONUNG, King Of Sweden
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Ingegard
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Astrid
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Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
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Herbert III Count Of Vermandois
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Eudes Count Of Vermandois
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Ermengarde Of Bar
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Herbert IV Count Of Vermandois
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Parvie
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Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess Of Vermandois
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Raoul II Seigneur Of Crepy And Valois
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Raoul III The Great Count Of Valois And Vexin
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Adelaide Of Bretemil
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Adela De Valois
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Nocher III Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube
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Adela
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Margaret De BEAUMONT
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Ralph De Gael, Earl Of Norfolk
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Ralph De Gael De Montfort, Earl Of Norfolk
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Getha
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Ralph De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort-Gael
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Herfast
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Osbern De Crepon, Steward Of Normandy
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William Fitz Osbern, Earl Of Hereford
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Ralph Count Of Ivry
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Emma Abbess Of St. Amand
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Albereda
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Emma Fitz Osbern
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Ralph II De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches
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Roger I De TOENI
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Adelise De TONI
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Godehildie
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Amicia De Gael
Godeheut
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Raoul III Vicount Of Maine
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Raoul IV Vicount Of Maine
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Godehaut Of Belleme
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Raoul V Vicount Of Beaumont And Maine
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Ives Of Cluny
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Eremburgie Of Cluny
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Hubert Vicount Of Beaumont And Maine
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Etienne De Montevrault
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Emma De Montevrault, Dame De Lude
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Adelberge
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Raoul VII Vicount Of Fresnay, Beaumont, And St Suz
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Laundry III Seigneur De Maers And De Monceau
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Renaud I Count Of Nevers
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Matilda Of Burgundy
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William I Count Of Nevers
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Robert II The Pious King Of France
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Alvais Of France
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Constance Of Provence
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Ermengarde Of Nevers
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Milo Count Of Tonnerre
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Renaud Count Of Tonnerre
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Ermengarde Of Bar
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Ermengarde Of Tonnerre
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Helvis/Erwig
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Roscelin De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine
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Guy I Lord Of Laval
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Hamon Lord Of Laval
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Ralph II De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches
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Bertha De TOENI
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Guy II Sire De Laval
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Hersende
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Adenor Of Laval
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Herluin De Contreville
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Robert De Mortain, Count Of Mortain In Avranchi
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Fulbert Of Falaise
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Herleve Of Falaise
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Duxia
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Denise Of Mortain
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Roger De Montgomery, Seigneur Of Montgomery
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Roger De Montgomery, Earl Of Shrewsbury
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Emma
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Maud De Montgomery
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William II TALVAS
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Mabel De Belesme
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Hildeburg
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Richard I De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine
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Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
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Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy
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Gunnora
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Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy
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Conan I Duke Of Brittany
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Judith Of Brittany
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Ermengarde Of Anjou
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William The Conqueror King Of England
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Fulbert Of Falaise
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Herleve Of Falaise
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Duxia
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Henry I Beauclerc King Of England
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Arnold II The Young Count Of Flanders
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Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders
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Rosela Of Italy
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Baldwin V Count Of Flanders
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Frederick I Count Of Luxemburg
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Ogive Of Luxembourg
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Ermentrude Of Kinziggau
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Maud Of Flanders
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Hugh Capet King Of France
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Robert II The Pious King Of France
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Adelaide Of Poitou
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Adelaide Of France
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William I Count Of Aries And Provence
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Constance Of Provence
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Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou
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Constance
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Constance De BEAUMONT
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Richard II Seigneur of l'Aigle
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Lucie De L'AIGLE
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Beatrice
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