Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Joan De COBHAM Birth: Abt 1355
Death: Before Jan 1393/4
Bibliography
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Verity, Brad, Cobham of Cobham Corrections - Part 1. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 11/26/2003. Subject: Cobham of Cobham Corrections - Part 1. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/Lxxq3y5cNp0/m/84ek5XLb3IsJ. Author address: batruth at hotmail dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Brad Verity SGM 11/26/2003-035747].
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Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 03 Canonteigh-Cutts. London: St Catherine Press, 1913. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 3 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo03coka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP III [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 10, Oakham-Richmond. London: St Catherine Press, 1945. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP X [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Faris, David, Plantagenet ancestry of seventeenth century colonists: the descent from the later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, Edward II, and Edward III, of emigrants from England and Wales to the North American colonies before 1701, second edition. Boston: New England Historical Genealogical Society, 1999. NYPL APR (New England) 01-1513. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Faris PA2 p[0-9ivxc]*].
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Roskell, J S, History of Parliament: The House of Commons 1386-1421. Wolfboro Falls, NH: Alan Sutton, 1992. NYPL JFE 95-5018. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: HoP 1386-1421 v[1-4]p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Baltimore, MD: Genelogical Publishing Co, 2004. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson PA p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
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Roberts, Gary Boyd, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States: who were themselves notable or left descendants notable in American history, with a 2008 Addendum, Coda, and Final Additions. Baltimore, MD: Gen Pub Co, 2008. NYPL APK 08-4216. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Roberts RD600 p[0-9]*].
Sources for birth and parent Information
- parents:
- [Ref: Burke Peerage p438, CP III p344, Faris PA2 p382, Richardson
RoyalAnc v5p404]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- [Ref: Burke Peerage p438, CP III p345, Faris PA2 p382, Richardson
RoyalAnc v5p405]
- 1407/8 [Ref: CP X p48],
- place:
- [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p405]
- Bradelegh (?Bradelegh Priory) [Ref: CP III p345 (with corr in XIV
p195)]
Sources for burial Information
- place:
- [Ref: Brad Verity SGM 11/26/2003-035747, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p405]
Sources with Inaccurate burial Information
- place:
- Grey Friars, London [Ref: CP III p345, Faris PA2 p382]
Sources with Information about marriage to Margaret COURTENAY
- date:
- 1341 [Ref: Brad Verity SGM 11/26/2003-035747]
- before 9 Jun 1341 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p404],
- names:
- [Ref: CP III p344, Faris PA2 p100, Richardson PA p240, Richardson
RoyalAnc v2p330],
- child:
- [Ref: Burke Peerage p438, CP III p345, Faris PA2 p382, Richardson
RoyalAnc v5p404, Roberts RD600 p354]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
- date:
- 1332-33 [Ref: Burke Peerage p438, Faris PA2 p382]
- when very young, 1332-33 [Ref: CP III p344]
Research Notes:
3rd Lord Cobham, of Barony cr 1313 [Ref: CP III p344]
3rd Lord Cobham [Ref: Burke Peerage p438, HoP 1386-1421 v2p349, HoP 1386-1421
v3p866, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p404, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p66, Roberts RD600
p354]
Knt, of Cooling, Beckley (in Chalk), Bekesbourne, Cobham, and Pole (in
Southfleet), Kent, Benknolle and Chisenbury, Wiltshire, etc [Ref: Richardson
RoyalAnc v5p404]
Knt [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p66]
heir of his father [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p404]
Saul [Historian Nigel Saul's 2001 book 'Death, art, and memory in medieval
England: the Cobham family and their monuments, 1300-1500' p. 18]: "Lastly,
and by way of fitting climax, in 1341 a match was arranged between John, son
of John, 2nd Lord Cobham, and Margaret, daughter of Hugh Courtenay, earl of
Devon. [footnote: In Glover's notes from the College of Arms, the marriage is
variously dated 5 Edw. III and 6 Edw. III (i.e. 1331, 1332): Nichols,
'Memorials of the Family of Cobham', 323, 324. However, these dates are
probably misreadings for 15 and 16 Edw. III (i.e. 1341, 1342). 15 Edward III
is the date of a grant of herbage in Chisbury [a Cobham manor] by Sir John to
his son and daughter-in-law (BL, Harley Ch. 48 E9); and the grant may have
coincided with the marriage. A further point is that Sir John himself had not
entered into his inheritance in 1331 or 1332, whereas he had done so ten years
later."]
Saul [p. 23]: "By now [1395] he [3rd Lord Cobham] was getting old--he was
probably in his sixties [footnote: Waller, 'The Lords of Cobham', 84, and DNB,
II, 156, make him a nonagenarian. Waller, whom the DNB followed, was misled by
Glover's note to the effect that John was married in 5 Edw. III (Nichols,
'Memorials of the Family of Cobham', 323). But this note is probably an error
of transcription (above, n. 46). It is more likely that John was married in 15
Edw. III (i.e. 1341). On the assumption that in that year he was aged around
ten to fifteen, he would have been in his seventies in the 1390s.]"
This of course has an effect on the chronology and birth order of Margaret
Courtenay, Lady Cobham. CP states that the 2nd Earl of Devon and his wife were
married on 11 Aug. 1325, and that their eldest son Hugh was born 22 Mar.
1326/7 - these dates would make the son the firstborn child of the couple. He
was married in 1341 "before Sep." to Elizabeth, daughter of the Earl of
Oxford. Meanwhile, Hugh's sister Elizabeth Courtenay was married "probably in
July 1341 [footnote: On 24 July his father had licence to make a settlement on
the marriage ('Cal. Patent Rolls', 1340-43, p. 254)]" [CP, Vol. 10, p. 225] -
probably at the same time - to John de Vere, eldest son and heir of the Earl
of Oxford.
Most genealogies, including CP, make Margaret, Lady Cobham, older than her
sister Elizabeth, Lady Vere, and indeed the eldest daughter of the 2nd Earl of
Devon. This must be based on her 1331-32 marriage date to John de Cobham,
which Saul has shown to be faulty. It seems Elizabeth, who made the grander
match in 1341, would be the eldest daughter, followed closely by Margaret.
At any rate, the 1331/2 marriage date of John de Cobham and Margaret de
Courtenay is virtually impossible. The second son of the 2nd Earl of Devon -
Thomas Courtenay - was born in 1329 ["12 Kal. Dec. 1344, Avignon. To Thomas
son of Hugh, earl of Devon and kinsman of king Edward, in his fifteenth year.
Indult to hold a sinecure dignity or office, and, on attaining his twentieth
year, any other benefice." Cal. Papal Registers]. This leaves 1328 as the only
possible year Margaret could've been born if the 1331/2 marriage date were
true. Rushing to marry a three-year-old to the Cobhams, a lesser baronial
family, seems highly unlikely. In 1331/2, Margaret's grandfather had not yet
been created Earl of Devon, but 10 years later, her father succeeded as 2nd
Earl. It's likely that both Elizabeth and Margaret Courtenay were born between
1330 and 1335. [Ref: Brad Verity SGM 11/26/2003-035747]
Saul [Historian Nigel Saul's 2001 book 'Death, art, and memory in medieval
England: the Cobham family and their monuments, 1300-1500' p. 25]: "From 1387
he [3rd Lord Cobham] was involved with Sir Robert Knolles in the rebuilding of
Rochester bridge, and in 1395 he undertook the endowment of a chantry in the
bridge chapel. [footnote: R. Britnell, 'The New Bridge', in N. Yates and J.M.
Gibson (eds.), "Traffic and Politics: The Construction and Management of
Rochester Bridge, AD 43-1993" (Woodbridge, 1994), 43-59.]" Later [p. 235]: "In
a move utterly characteristic of him, Cobham provided for a chantry chapel to
be included in the design [of the bridge]. According to his letters of
instruction, transcribed in the Rochester register, prayers were to be said
for the souls of his wife, his daughter and son-in-law, Robert Knolles, and
others. [footnote: 'CPR 1391-6', 550; BL, MS Faustina C V, fos. 91r-92r
(Rochester priory letter book).]" [Ref: Brad Verity SGM 11/26/2003-035747]
Saul [Historian Nigel Saul's 2001 book 'Death, art, and memory in medieval
England: the Cobham family and their monuments, 1300-1500' p. 24]: "According
to an account of his household expenses, he [3rd Lord Cobham] died at the
Augustinian house of Maiden Bradley (Wilts.) in January 1408. [footnote: H.C.
Maxwell Lyte, 'An Account Relating to Sir John Cobham, A.D. 1408',
"Antiquaries Journal", 2 (1922), 339-43. This account settles the doubt over
John's place of interment. A puzzling reference in a sixteenth-century list of
burials at Grey Friars, London, suggests that he was buried there: 'in a tomb
raised up at the end of that altar by the door under the cross (transept) lies
John de Cobham, Baron of the County of Kent' (J.G. Nichols, 'Register of the
Sepulchral Inscriptions in the Church of the Grey Friars', "Collectanea
Topographica et Genealogica", 5, 1838, 274; see also 387). Since there is
absolutely no doubt that John was buried at Cobham, it is unclear whose tomb
the note refers to. One possibility is that it was that of Sir John Cobham,
'son of the Countess Marshal' (d. 1378), a collateral kinsman who was active
in the military affairs of the day. This John, being childless, left his
estates to the crown 'out of love and affection' for the Black Prince: 'Rotuli
Parliamentorum', iii, 8-9. His connections with Kent were few--which would
explain his burial in London.]" [Ref: Brad Verity SGM 11/26/2003-035747]
Pedigree of John De COBHAM, Lord Cobham
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Henry De COBHAM
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John De COBHAM
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John De COBHAM
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Warine FITZ BENEDICT
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Maud FITZ BENEDICT
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Henry De COBHAM, Lord Cobham
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Sir Robert De SEPTVANS
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Joan SEPTVANS
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Sir John De COBHAM, Lord Cobham
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Eudes De MOREVILLE
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Maud De MOREVILLE
John De COBHAM, Lord Cobham
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Hugh De VAUTORT
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Hugh De VAUTORT
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Simon De VAUTORT
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Robert BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Hatch Beauchamp
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Robert De BEAUCHAMP
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Robert De BEAUCHAMP
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Muriel
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(Unk Dau) De BEAUCHAMP
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Robert BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Hatch Beauchamp
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Gilbert GIFFARD, Marshal
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John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
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(Unk dau) De VENOIZ
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John MARSHAL
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Walter De SALISBURY, Baron Of Chitterne
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Sibyl De SALISBURY
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Sibyl De CHAWORTH
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Juliana MARSHAL
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Alice De COLVILLE
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Sir John BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Hatch Beauchamp
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William De MOHUN, Baron Of Dunster
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William De MOHUN, Baron Of Dunster
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Godeheut De TOENI
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Sir Reynold De MOHUN, Baron Of Dunster
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Lucy
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Sir Reynold De MOHUN, Baron Of Dunster
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Thomas De BRIWERE
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Sir William De BRIWERE, Baron Of Horsley
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(Unk) De ALBEMARLE
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Alice De BRIWERE
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Hubert De VAUX, Baron Of Irthington
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Beatrice De VALLE
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Grecia
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Alice De MOHUN
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Piers De LUTEGARESHALE
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Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
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Maud
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Hawise FITZ GEOFFREY
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Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
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Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
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Adeliza Le MESCHIN
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Aveline De CLARE
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James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
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Maud St. HILLARY
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Aveline
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Sir John BEAUCHAMP, Lord Beauchamp Of Somerset
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Guillaume De FORZ, Seigneur of Vivonne
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Sir Hugh De VIVONNE
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William De FORTIBUS, Lord Of Chewton
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William MALET, Baron Of Curry Malet
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Gilbert MALET, Baron Of Curry Malet
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Eugenia PICOT
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Sir William MALET, Baron Of Curry Malet, MC Surety
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Ralph PICOT
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Alice PICOT
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Mabel MALET
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Cicely VIVONNE
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Robert De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby
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William FERRERS, Earl Of Derby
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Margaret PEVERIL
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William De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Sibyl De BRAOISE
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Bertha Of Hereford
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William De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby
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Ranulf De GERNON, Earl Of Chester, Vicomte D'Avranches
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Hugh Of Kevelioc, Earl Of Chester
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Maud De CAEN
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Agnes Of Chester, Lady Of Chartley
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Simon De MONTFORT, Count Of Evreux
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Bertrade De MONTFORT
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Maud
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Maud De FERRERS, Vicomtesse De Rochechouart
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Gilbert GIFFARD, Marshal
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John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
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(Unk dau) De VENOIZ
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Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke
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Walter De SALISBURY, Baron Of Chitterne
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Sibyl De SALISBURY
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Sibyl De CHAWORTH
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Sibyl MARSHALL
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Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
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Richard "Strongbow" De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
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Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
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Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke
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Dairmait Mac MURCHAD, King Of Leinster
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Aoife Macmurchada Of Leinster
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Mor Ua TUATHAIL
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Joan BEAUCHAMP
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Joan CHENDUIT
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