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  1. Sir Nicholas De MEINILL, Lord Meinill Death: Before 20 Nov 1341
  2. Christiana De MEINILL

Bibliography
  1. Banks, Thomas Christopher, Baronia anglica concentrata: or, A concentrated account of all the baronies commonly called baronies in fee; deriving their origin from writ of summons, and not from any specific limited creation. London: Simpkin, 1844. Available at https://archive.org/details/baroniaanglicaco01bankuoft. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Banks Baronies v[1-2]p[0-9]*].
  2. Bevan, Rosie, Keeping it in the Family: Sex Scandal and Rebellion in Baronial Cleveland, in Foundations of Medieval Genealogy, vol 5, no 1 (2013), pp3-36. Available at https://fmg.ac/publications/journal/vol-5/234-keeping-it-in-the-family-sex-scandal-and-rebellion-in-baronial-cleveland. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Bevan Brus p[0-9]*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 07 Hussee-Lincolnshire. London: St Catherine Press, 1929. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP VII [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 08, Lindley-Moate. London: St Catherine Press, 1932. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP VIII [Ap][p0-9].*].
  5. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p[0-9]*].
  6. Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
[Ref: CP VIII p627, Weis AR7 #88],
parents:
[Ref: Banks Baronies v1p314, CP VIII p627, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p158, Weis AR7 #88]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: CP VIII p630, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p158]
Sources with Information about marriage to Lucy De THWENG
date:
before Apr 1307, paramour of Nicholas [Ref: CP VII p467(e)]
concubine [Ref: Banks Baronies v1p314]
concubine, after 22 Sep 1304 and before 1305 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p158]
illeg [Ref: CP VIII p628 (with corr in XIV p472), CP VIII p632 (with corr in XIV p472)]
never married [Ref: Weis AR7 #88],
child:
[Ref: Banks Baronies v1p314, Bevan Brus p8, CP VIII p628, CP VIII p632 (with corr in XIV p472), Richardson RoyalAnc v5p158, Weis AR7 #88]
Research Notes:
2nd Lord Meinill, of Barony cr 1295 [Ref: CP VIII p627]
2nd Lord Meinell [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p158]
2nd Lord Meinill of Whorlton [Ref: Weis AR7 #88]

of Whorlton, Boynton, Easton, Pothou, and Seamer, Yorkshire [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p158]

heir of his father [Ref: CP VIII p627, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p158]

1315: Sheriff of Yorkshire [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p158]

died unmarried; heir was his brother John [Ref: CP VIII p630]

The medieval love story of Lucy de Thweng and Nicholas Meinell is one suitable for an action packed television drama - replete with knights in armour, multiple abductions, assault, vengeance, kidnapping, enmity with the church, bribery and corruption, excommunication - all set within the backdrop of famine and war with Scotland. Michael Prestwich explored it in some detail in 2003 (An Everyday Story of Knightly Folk, pp151-162) without considering one of the dilemmas of the couple - that their relationship was considered incestuous because they were related within the prohibited degree of consanguinity.(note#136-Incest was considered in much broader terms than today - one could not enter marriage with anyone who shared the same great, great grandparent or less as oneself, i.e. marriage below the 5th degree was unacceptable and considered incest) In the early 14th century the detail of their kinship was such common knowledge that it was evidently not considered necessary to document it and has thus been long forgotten. Their precise relationship has never been explained in modern times, but if the wife of Stephen Meinell was a daughter of Peter and Joan de Brus, as appears the case, then that kinship is explained; they were related in the third and fourth degree of consanguinity, both being descendants of Peter and Joan de Brus. [Ref: Bevan Brus p29]



Pedigree of Nicholas De MEINILL, Lord Meinill
                                                       /-----Robert De MEINILL
                                              /-----Stephen De MEINILL
                                             |        |         /-----Nele FOSSARD, Baron Of Mulgrave
                                             |         \-----Gertrude FOSSARD
                                     /-----Robert De MEINILL
                                    |        |         /-----Ansketil De BULMER
                                    |         \-----Sibil De BULMER
                            /-----Stephen De MEINILL
                   /-----Robert De MEINILL
                  |        |                           /-----Peter De ROS
                  |        |                  /-----Robert De ROS, Baron Of Helmsley
                  |        |                 |        |         /-----William ESPEC, Baron Of Old Wardon
                  |        |                 |         \-----Adeline ESPEC
                  |        |         /-----Everhard De ROS, Baron Of Helmsley
                  |        |        |        |         /-----Thebaud De VALOGNES
                  |        |        |         \-----Sibyl De VALOGNES
                  |         \-----Joan De ROS
                  |                 |                  /-----William TRUSSEBUT
                  |                 |         /-----William TRUSSEBUT, Baron Of Hunsingore
                  |                 |        |        |         /-----Payne
                  |                 |        |         \-----(Unk) FITZ PAYNE
                  |                  \-----Roysia TRUSSEBUT
                  |                          |         /-----Rollo De HARCOURT
                  |                           \-----Audrey De HARCOURT
                  |                                   |         /-----Robert PEVEREL
                  |                                    \-----Rohese PEVEREL
                  |                                             \-----Adelicia
          /-----Stephen De MEINILL
         |        |                                    /-----Hugh MALEBISSE
         |        |                           /-----William MALEBISSE
         |        |                  /-----Richard MALEBISSE
         |        |                 |        |                  /-----(Unk) De PERCY
         |        |                 |        |         /-----William Algernon De PERCY, Baron Of Topcliffe
         |        |                 |         \-----Emma De PERCY
         |        |         /-----John MALEBISSE
         |         \-----Emma MALEBISSE
         |                  \-----Matilda
 /-----Nicholas De MEINILL, Lord Meinill
|        |                                                      /-----Sir Robert De BRUS
|        |                                             /-----Adam De BRUS
|        |                                    /-----Robert De BRUS, Baron Of Skelton
|        |                                   |        |         /-----Sir William RAMSAY
|        |                                   |         \-----Emma
|        |                           /-----Adam De BRUS, Baron Of Skelton
|        |                          |        |                  /-----William PAYNEL
|        |                          |        |         /-----Fulk PAYNEL
|        |                          |         \-----Agnes PAYNEL
|        |                          |                 |         /-----William FITZ ANSCULF, Baron Of Dudley
|        |                          |                  \-----Beatrix
|        |                  /-----Adam II De BRUS, Baron Of Skelton
|        |                 |        |                           /-----Stephen II Count Of Champagne
|        |                 |        |                  /-----Eudes Count Of Champagne, Lord Of Holderness
|        |                 |        |                 |         \-----Adela
|        |                 |        |         /-----Stephen Of Aumale, Lord Of Holderness
|        |                 |        |        |        |         /-----Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy
|        |                 |        |        |         \-----Adelaide Of Normandy
|        |                 |        |        |                  \-----Herleve Of Falaise
|        |                 |         \-----Agnes Of Aumale
|        |                 |                 |                  /-----Roger De MORTIMER
|        |                 |                 |         /-----Ralph De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
|        |                 |                 |        |         \-----Hawise
|        |                 |                  \-----Hawise De MORTIMER
|        |                 |                           \-----Milicent
|        |         /-----Peter I De BRUS, Baron Of Skelton
|        |        |        |                           /-----(Unk)
|        |        |        |                  /-----Osbert De ARCHES
|        |        |        |         /-----William De ARCHES
|        |        |        |        |         \-----Maud
|        |        |         \-----Juetta De ARCHES
|        |        |                  \-----Jueta
|         \-----(Unk) De BRUS
|                 |                                             /-----Richard FITZRANULF
|                 |                                    /-----John FITZRICHARD
|                 |                           /-----Eustace Fitz John De BURGO, Constable Of Chester
|                 |                  /-----Richard FITZ EUSTACE, Constable Of Chester
|                 |                 |        |                  /-----Nigell De HALTON, Constable Of Chester
|                 |                 |        |         /-----William FITZ NIGEL, Constable Of Chester
|                 |                 |         \-----Agnes De HALTON
|                 |                 |                 |         /-----Yarfield Of Widness
|                 |                 |                  \-----Adeliz Of Widness
|                 |         /-----John Fitz Richard, Constable Of Chester
|                 |        |        |                           /-----(Unk) De LISOURS
|                 |        |        |                  /-----Fulk De LISOURS
|                 |        |        |         /-----Robert LIZOURS
|                 |        |        |        |         \-----Aubrey
|                 |        |         \-----Albreada LIZOURS, Baroness Of Pontfract
|                 |        |                 |                  /-----Ilbert De LACY, Baron Of Pontefract
|                 |        |                 |         /-----Robert De LACY, Baron Of Pontefract
|                 |        |                 |        |         \-----Hawise
|                 |        |                  \-----Aubrey De LACY
|                 |        |                           \-----Maud
|                  \-----Joan De Chester
|                          |                           /-----(Unk) De CANTELOWE
|                          |                  /-----Richard
|                          |         /-----Roger FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Warkworth
|                          |        |        |                  /-----Robert Le BIGOT
|                          |        |        |         /-----Roger BIGOD, Baron Of Framlingham
|                          |        |         \-----Jane BIGOD
|                          |        |                 |         /-----Robert De TOENI, Lord Of Belvoir
|                          |        |                  \-----Alice De TOENI
|                          |        |                           \-----Adelais
|                           \-----Alice Fitz Roger
|                                   |                  /-----Alberic De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
|                                   |         /-----Alberic II De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
|                                   |        |         \-----Beatrix
|                                    \-----Alice De VERE
|                                            |                  /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
|                                            |         /-----Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
|                                            |        |         \-----Rohese GIFFARD
|                                             \-----Adeliza De CLARE
|                                                     |         /-----Hugh Count Of Clermont
|                                                      \-----Adeliza De CLERMONT
|                                                               \-----Margaret De Roucy
Nicholas De MEINILL, Lord Meinill
|                  /-----(Unk) De FURNEAUX
|         /-----William De FURNEAUX
 \-----Christine



Descendants of Nicholas De MEINILL, Lord Meinill
1. Nicholas De MEINILL, Lord Meinill m. Lucy De THWENG
m. Lucy De THWENG father: Sir Robert De THWENG mother: Matilda HANSARD

2nd generation

2. Sir Nicholas De MEINILL, Lord Meinill m. Alice De ROS
m. Alice De ROS father: William De ROS, Lord Ros Of Helmsley mother: Maud De VAUX

3rd generation

4. Elizabeth De MEINILL, Baroness Meinill m1. Sir John DARCY, Lord Darcy m2. Sir Piers De MAULEY, Lord Mauley
m. Sir John DARCY, Lord Darcy father: Sir John DARCY, Lord Darcy mother: Emmeline HERON
m. Sir Piers De MAULEY, Lord Mauley father: Piers De MAULEY, Lord Mauly Of Mulgrave Castle mother: Margaret De CLIFFORD

4th generation

5. Alice DARCY m. Sir John De COLVILLE
m. Sir John De COLVILLE father: Sir William COLVILLE mother: Joan De FAUCOMBERGE
8. Sir Philip DARCY, Lord Darcy m. Elizabeth GRAY
m. Elizabeth GRAY father: Sir Thomas GRAY mother: Margaret De PRESFEN
9. Piers De MAULEY m. Margery De SUTTON
m. Margery De SUTTON father: Sir Thomas De SUTTON, Lord Sutton mother: Agnes De HOTHOM

5th generation

11. Isabel De COLVILLE m1. Robert De LUMLEY m2. John WANDESFORD m3. William FENCOTES
m. Robert De LUMLEY father: Marmaduke De LUMLEY mother: Eleanor
m. John WANDESFORD father: John De WANDESFORD
m. William FENCOTES
12. Sir John DARCY, Lord Darcy m. Margaret De GRAY
m. Margaret De GRAY father: Sir Henry De GRAY, Lord Grey Of Wilton mother: Elizabeth TALBOT
16. Agnes DARCY m. Sir Gerald FITZGERALD, Earl Of Kildare
m. Sir Gerald FITZGERALD, Earl Of Kildare father: Maurice FITZ THOMAS FITZ GERALD, Earl Of Kildare mother: Elizabeth De BURGHERSH
18. Joan DARCY m1. m2. Sir Giles DAUBENEY, Lord Daubeney
m. Sir Giles DAUBENEY, Lord Daubeney father: Sir Giles DAUBENEY, Lord Daubeney mother: Margaret BEAUCHAMP
20. Elizabeth De MAULEY m. George SALVAN
m. George SALVAN father: Gerard SALVAIN
21. Constance De MAULEY m1. William FAIRFAX m2. Sir John BIGOD
m. William FAIRFAX father: Thomas FAIRFAX mother: Margaret MALBIS
m. Sir John BIGOD father: Sir John BIGOD mother: Amy