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  1. Geoffrey De SAY Death: Abt 1265

Bibliography
  1. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Richardson, Douglas, Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 10/31/2007. Subject: Complete Peerage Addition: Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/oJ7DigECN4s/m/bdD2WpTv6noJ. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919].
  4. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol II: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 2002. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 2. Corrections at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p[0-9]*].
  5. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1[pc][0-9]*].
  6. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  7. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
prob some years after 1163 [Ref: CP XI p467(o)],
parents:
[Ref: CP XI p467(o), CP XI p467, Keats-Rohan DD p235],
father:
[Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562, Sanders Baronies p98(1)],
brother:
Robert de Vere [Ref: CP XI p467(o)]
Sources for death Information
date:
living 1214 [Ref: CP XI p468]
living 28 Oct 1217 [Ref: CP V p116f]
Sources with Information about marriage to Geoffrey De SAY
date:
second marriage of Geoffrey [Ref: CP V p116f, CP XI p467, Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562, Sanders Baronies p98(1)],
names:
[Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p235],
child:
[Ref: CP V p116f, CP XI p467(o), Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563(25)]
Research Notes:



Pedigree of Alice De VERE
                   /-----Alberic De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
          /-----Alberic II De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
         |         \-----Beatrix
 /-----Aubrey III De VERE, Earl Of Oxford
|        |                                                      /-----William Longspee Duke Of Normandy
|        |                                             /-----Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
|        |                                            |         \-----Espriota
|        |                                    /-----Godfrey Count Of Brionne
|        |                                   |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
|        |                                   |         \-----Gunnora
|        |                           /-----Gilbert Count Of Brionne
|        |                  /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
|        |         /-----Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
|        |        |        |                  /-----Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
|        |        |        |         /-----Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
|        |        |        |        |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
|        |        |        |        |         \-----Wevie
|        |        |         \-----Rohese GIFFARD
|        |        |                 |         /-----Gerard De FLEITELL
|        |        |                  \-----Ermengarde FLATEL
|         \-----Adeliza De CLARE
|                 |                                    /-----Renaud
|                 |                           /-----Hugh Butler Of France
|                 |                  /-----Renaud Count Of Clermont
|                 |         /-----Hugh Count Of Clermont
|                 |        |         \-----Ermengardis
|                  \-----Adeliza De CLERMONT
|                          |                                    /-----Helpuin Count Of Arcis-Sur-Aube
|                          |                           /-----Hildouin I Seigneur De Rameru
|                          |                          |         \-----Hersinde Dame De Rameru
|                          |                  /-----Hildouin II De Rameru
|                          |         /-----Hildouin III De Rameru, Count Of Montdidier And Roucy
|                          |        |         \-----Anonima
|                           \-----Margaret De Roucy
|                                   |                           /-----Renaud Count Of Rheims And Roucy
|                                   |                  /-----Giselbert Count Of Roucy
|                                   |                 |         \-----Alberade Of Lorraine
|                                   |         /-----Ebles I Count Of Rheims And Roucy
|                                   |        |        |         /-----Aubri Count Of Macon
|                                   |        |         \-----(Unk Dau)
|                                   |        |                  \-----Ermentrude Of Roucy
|                                    \-----Adele De Roucy
|                                            |                  /-----Regnier III Count Of Hainaut
|                                            |         /-----Regnier IV Count Of Hainault
|                                            |        |         \-----Adele Of Louvain
|                                             \-----Beatrix Of Hainault
|                                                     |         /-----Hugh Capet King Of France
|                                                      \-----Hedwig Of France
|                                                               \-----Adelaide Of Poitou
Alice De VERE
|                                    /-----Robert Fitz WINMARK
|                           /-----Swain Of Essex, Baron Of Rayleigh
|                          |         \-----Beatrix
|                  /-----Robert FITZ SURIN Of Essex, Baron Of Rayleigh
|                 |        |                           /-----Thursten De Bastenburgh
|                 |        |                  /-----Hugh With The Beard De Montfort
|                 |        |         /-----Hugh De Montfort, Baron Of Haughley
|                 |         \-----(Unk Dau) De Montfort
|         /-----Henry Of Essex, Baron Of Rayleigh
|        |        |                  /-----Robert Le BIGOT
|        |        |         /-----Roger BIGOD, Baron Of Framlingham
|        |         \-----Gunnor BIGOD
|        |                 |                                    /-----Ralph I De TOENI
|        |                 |                           /-----Ralph II De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches
|        |                 |                  /-----Roger I De TOENI
|        |                 |         /-----Robert De TOENI, Lord Of Belvoir
|        |                 |        |        |                  /-----Borrell II Count Of Barcelona
|        |                 |        |        |         /-----Raimond Borrel Count Of Barcelona
|        |                 |        |        |        |         \-----Luitgard
|        |                 |        |         \-----Stephanie Of Barcelona
|        |                 |        |                 |         /-----Roger I Count Of Carcassone
|        |                 |        |                  \-----Ermisende
|        |                 |        |                           \-----Adelaide Of Pons
|        |                  \-----Alice De TOENI
|        |                           \-----Adelais
 \-----Agnes Lucia Of Essex
         |                           /-----(Unk) De VALOINES
         |                  /-----Piers De VALOINES, Baron Of Bennington
         |         /-----Roger De VALOINES, Baron Of Bennington
         |        |        |         /-----Nigel I
         |        |         \-----Aubrey De St SAUVEUR
          \-----Cicely De VALOGNES
                  |                           /-----Ranulf The Moneyer
                  |                  /-----Richard FITZRANULF
                  |         /-----John FITZRICHARD
                   \-----Agnes FITZJOHN De VESCY



Descendants of Alice De VERE
1. Alice De VERE m. Geoffrey De SAY
m. Geoffrey De SAY father: William De SAY mother: Beatrice De MANDEVILLE

2nd generation

2. Geoffrey De SAY m1. m2. Margaret De BRIWERE m3. Aline
m. Margaret De BRIWERE father: Sir William De BRIWERE, Baron Of Horsley mother: Beatrice De VALLE
m. Aline