Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Margery De BURGH Death: After 1 Mar 1252/3
- Matilda De BURG
- William Og De BURG Death: 1270
- Alice De BURG
- (Unk dau) De BURG
- Richard De BURG Birth: 1
Death: Before 6 Nov 1248
- Walter De BURG, Earl Of Ulster Birth: Abt 1230
Death: 28 Jul 1271 in Galway Castle
Bibliography
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Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 02 Bass-Canning. London: St Catherine Press, 1912. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 2 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo02coka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP II [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 12-2, Tracton-Zz. London: St Catherine Press, 1959. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XII/2 [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Foss, Edward, Biographia Juridica, Biographical Dictionary of the Judges of England, London: John Murray, 1870. Available at https://books.google.com/books?id=O0oBAAAAQAAJ Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Foss Judges p[0-9]*].
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Paget, Gerald, The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales. London: Charles Skilton Ltd, 1977. Nypl ARF+ 78-835. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
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Baldwin, Stewart, mother of Richard Burgh. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 3/2/2003. Subject: Richard Burgh, Egidia Lacy. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/_UwiOvy2Di4/m/HYVUJox8uugJ. Author address: sbaldw at mindspring dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 3/2/2003-160901].
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Baldwin, Stewart, Donnell O'Brien, king of Thomond. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 8/29/2001. Subject: Donnell O'Brien, king of Thomond. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/6QNgVklU1bw/m/KEwml0_WATkJ. Author address: sbaldw at mindspring dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/29/2001-030404].
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- date:
- abt 1193 (came of age 1214) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14],
- parents:
- William De Burgh & dau of Donnell O'Brien [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc
v2p14, Weis AR7 #177B],
- father:
- [Ref: CP XII/2 p171(f), Foss Judges p255, Paget HRHCharles p183,
Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/29/2001-030404, Watney WALLOP #178]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- 1242 [Ref: Weis AR7 #177B, Weis AR7 #75A]
- 1243 [Ref: Watney WALLOP #178, Watney WALLOP #587]
- abt 17 Feb 1243 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p183]
- shortly before 17 Feb 1242/3 [Ref: CP XII/2 p171(f), Richardson RoyalAnc
v2p15],
- place:
- [Ref: CP XII/2 p171(f), Richardson RoyalAnc v2p15]
Sources with Information about marriage to Egidia (Jill) De LACY
- date:
- before 21 Apr 1225 [Ref: CP XII/2 p172(a), Paget HRHCharles p183,
Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14],
- names:
- [Ref: Watney WALLOP #587],
- child:
- [Ref: CP XII/2 p171(e), CP XII/2 p172, Paget HRHCharles p183,
Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p45, Richardson RoyalAnc
v4p430, Watney WALLOP #178, Weis AR7 #177B, Weis AR7 #75A]
Research Notes:
Lord of Connaught [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p183, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14,
Richardson RoyalAnc v3p605, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p430, Weis AR7 #177B]
Seneschal of Munster [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14]
Keeper of Limerick Castle [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14]
heir of his father [Ref: CP XII/2 p171(f), Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14]
1228-32: Justiciar of Ireland [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14]
Justiciar of Ireland [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p605, Richardson RoyalAnc
v4p430]
a serious weak link in the attempt to connect Domnall here is that there is
no good evidence that Richard de Burgh was a maternal grandson of Domnall Mor
Ua Briain [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/29/2001-030404]
1228-32: Justiciar of Ireland [Ref: CP XII/2 p171(f)]
Adrian Channing: The mother of Richard de Burgh is probably an unnamed
daughter (Mor?) of Donal More O'Brien. Clarence Ellis' "Hubert de Burgh, A
Study in Constancy" (1952, Phoenix House Ltd), shows that the then accepted
father of Richard, William Fitzadelm de Burgo (one of whose marriages was to
Isabel base daughter of Richard I), cannot work. William de Burgh, (Richard's
father) was probably son of a Walter de Burgh (died bfr 1180) a small holder
in Bourgh next to Ayleham, Norfolk by Alice (died bfr 1230, bur Walsingham).
Stewart Baldwin: Good evidence for this is lacking, and there is good
reason to doubt this claim, as has been discussed in this forum before. The
relevant primary source (from the Book of Lecan) is that Domnall Mor had a
daughter (unnamed) who was the mother of Richard, son of William, from whom
are descended the Clann Ricaird. The problem is that the usual reconstruction
of the de Burgh genealogy (e.g., the tables in the New History of Ireland)
make this Richard (i.e., the one who was ancestor of Clann Ricaird) a
same-named brother Richard de Burgh, lord of Ulster (quite likely by a
different mother).
Thus, there appears to be no good evidence that the Richard de Burgh, lord
of Ulster, was a grandson of Domnall Mor. (Unfortunately, no documentation is
supplied for the tables in the New History of Ireland, making it hard to
follow up, but a reexamination of the early de Burghs using primary evidence
would be interesting.)
Adrian Channing: I follow the pedigree given in _A History of Medieval
Ireland_ by Edmund Curtis, which does not seem to conflict with the problem
you quote from the Book of Lecan, and also agrees to CP Vol 12 p 171 as far as
that goes:
Wm de Burgo (de Burgh) (-1206) m d of Donal More O'Briwn
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Rd (I) Ld of Connacht (-1242) m Egidia de Lacy
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A) Rd (II) (dsp 1248)
B) Walter Earl of Ulster etc (-1271)
C) William Oge (-1270) and left Wm Liath ancestor of Lords Clanrickard
Stewart Baldwin: The problem is that this does not agree with the best
Irish genealogical sources, which show William with two sons named Richard,
the famous one who died in 1243 and another Richard who was ancestor of the
Clanricard branch. This latter Richard is the one apparently referred to by
the Book of Lecan, leaving as uncertain the mother of the elder Richard
(ancestor of Edward IV, among many others). The table in the New History of
Ireland has it the same way, with a dotted line, and the comment: "The origins
of the Clanricard line are ont absolutely proven, but the descent given is
that in the best genealogical sources and is not contradicted by contemporary
sources."
This would indicate that the subject is ripe for more detailed research in
the primary sources, which might overturn this picture, but that the best
evidence at the current time would indicate that the Richard who was stated in
the Book of Lecan to be a grandson of Domnall Mor was NOT Richard lord of
Connacht.
The fact that some earlier secondary sources have it otherwise is pretty
much irrelevant, in my opinion. Many early histories of Ireland were written
without taking proper account of the Irish sources. Any argument that the
Richard who was named as the grandson of Domnall Mor in the Book of Lecan was
the same person as Richard lord of Connacht needs to be based on arguments
from the primary sources.
It would be nice if clear evidence could be found that Richard lord of
Connacht was a grandson of Domnall Mor, as that would provide a number of
interesting Irish descents that are not available through "Eve" of Leinster,
but it would be jumping to conclusions to suggest that such a link is probable
on the basis of current research. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 3/2/2003-160901]
Pedigree of Richard De BURGH, Lord of Connaught
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Walter De BURGH
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William De BURGH, Lord of Connaught
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Alice
Richard De BURGH, Lord of Connaught
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Cennetig Dal Cais King Of Munster And Thomond
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Brian Boruma, King Of Cashel And Munster, High
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Be Bind
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Tadg Mac Briain
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Carrlus Mac AILELLA, King Of Ui Adea Ocba
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Echrad
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Tairrdelbach Mac TADG, King Of Cashel And Munster, Hi
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Gilla Brigte Ua Mael Muaid, King Of Cenel Fiachach
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Mor
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Diarmaid O'Brien, King Of Munster
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Donnchad King Of Ossory
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Gilla Patraic Mac Donnchada, King Of Ossory
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Aife
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Tadc Mac Gilla Patraic
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Derbforgaill
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Tairrdelbach O'Brien, King Of Munster
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Ruaidri Na Saide Buide Ua Conchobar, King of Co
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Mor
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Domnall Mor O'Brien, King Of Munster
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Gilla Patraic Mac Donnchada, King Of Ossory
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Donnchad King Of Osraige
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Mael Maire
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Gilla Patraic King Of Osraige
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Domnall Mac Gilla Patraic, King of Ossraige
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Donnchad Balc Mac Gilla Patraic Ruad, King of Ossraig
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Sadb
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(Unk Dau) O'BRIEN
Descendants of Richard De BURGH, Lord of Connaught
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