Family:
Children:
- Amazaspus II King Of Iberia Death: 189
- (Unk Dau)
Bibliography
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Settipani, Christian, Nos Ancetres de L'Antiquite, Etudes des possibilites de liens genealogiques entre les familles de l'Antiquite. Paris: Editions Christian, 1991. NYPL #ARB-93-7430. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Settipani LGA p[0-9]*].
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Baldwin, Stewart, Comments on Iberian route DFA line. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 6/8/1996. Subject: Comments on "Iberian route" DFA line. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/jRFyqatMNxc/m/KlsaVH7XxjEJ. Author address: sbald at AUBURN dot CAMPUS dot MCI dot NET. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 6/8/1996].
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Wagner, Anthony, Pedigree and Progress, Essays in the Genealogical Interpretation of History, London, Philmore, 1975. Rutgers Alex CS4.W33. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Wagner PedigreeProgress #[0-9]*].
Sources for birth and parent Information
- father:
- [Ref: Wagner PedigreeProgress #33]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- [Ref: Wagner PedigreeProgress #33]
Sources with Information about marriage to unknown
- child:
- [Ref: Settipani LGA p68, Wagner PedigreeProgress #33]
Research Notes:
135-185: King of Iberia [Ref: Wagner PedigreeProgress #33]
attested in contemporary sources, which do not give his relationship to
any earlier or later Iberian king [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 6/8/1996]
Whatever the immediate source of these Iberian generations might be, it is
clear that the basic secondary source for most of this information is the
article "Chronology of the Early Kings of Iberia", by Cyril Toumanoff, which
appeared in the journal "Traditio", vol. 25 (1969), pp. 1-34. (The chronology
of the Iberian kings given here did not exist until Toumanoff wrote that
article.)
Toumanoff based his chronological reconstruction on several assumptions, the
most important of which was the assumption that the native sources (all ca.
790 and later) had enough reliable information that the chronology and
genealogy could be reconstructed. No evidence was offered as to why an eighth
century source should be considered reliable for the history of centuries
earlier. It was simply assumed that this was the case, and conclusions were
drawn.
Now, it seems to me that before a source of this type is used, there ought
to be some serious discussion about the reliability of the source, and that if
this is done, the obvious conclusion is that the native sources are not
reliabable for the period crucial to the genealogy under discussion, and that
the resulting genealogy has a two hundred year gaping hole. Here are two very
good reasons why the native sources should not be considered reliable for the
period in question.
(1) From time to time, contemporary sources from other countries gave the
names of various Iberian rulers, although it is not enough to get any kind of
continuous account. In such a case, a good test to see how reliable the
noncontemporary sources are is to compare them with what the reliable
contemporary sources say. When this is done, the match is not very impressive.
There are kings who appear in both sources at roughly the same time, but most
of the kings in the native king-lists do not appear in the contemporary
sources, and the contemporary sources show quite a few kings who do not appear
in the king-lists. Toumanoff's solution to this is generally to assume that a
king had two different names, and assign the king of the contemporary records
as being the same person as somebody on the king-list at about the right time
(as with Pharnabazus and Bartom below, and others), but there is one period
for which he abandons the native sources entirely and goes with the
contemporary evidence. For the first century and part of the second, the
native sources have a very artificial "diarchy", where the kingdom was divided
between two branches, in which the kings just happened to die and be succeeded
by their sons at the same time for several consecutive generations. Since this
was blatantly contradicted by the native sources (and is absurd anyway),
Toumanoff was forced to admit that the native sources were not reliable for
this period, and used the contemporary sources to fill things in. However,
when Toumanoff was missing a genealogical detail that the contemporary sources
did not provide (the link between generations 31 and 32), that did not stop
him from using the obviously unreliable native sources to fill it in.
Furthermore, Toumanoff assumed that the period before the "diarchy" was
reliably reported from the native sources, and drew important conclusions from
them. Toumanoff's approach was apparently to accept every item in the native
sources which was not directly contradicted by the more reliable contemporary
sources, but it seems to me that a more reasonable sonclusion is that the
contemporary sources prove that the native sources have little or no value for
this early period, and that their use as a source for genealogical
relationships is therefore not acceptable.
(2) The cultures of Iberia and Armenia were closely related, and so a
comparison with the case of Armenia is relevant. Armenia's historical writing
started much earlier than in Georgia, and much more is known about its history
(but they unfortunately don't say as much as we would like about neighboring
Georgia). Because Armenian history is much better documented in the
contemporary sources, a comparison of the Armenian sources with the
contemporary sources shows that the Armenian sources are not reliable in
detail for the second century or earlier. (Although many events of the second
century and earlier mentioned in the native Armenian histories are clearly
based on historical events, and many of the individuals appear in contemporary
records, important details are frequently wrong.) If the native Armenian
records, with their older historical tradition, cannot be relied on for the
period in question, then it is doubtful that any trust can be placed in the
Iberian records for the same period.
Another problem with Toumanoff's article is the contortions he has to go
through to get his chronology. It is difficult to describe without making this
article much longer than it is. It will suffice to say that he is frequently
forced to alter the numbers which his sources give, in order to get rid of all
of the contradictions, and his manipulation of reign-lengths reminds me of the
accountant who is desperately trying to juggle the books before the auditors
arrive. I suggest reading his article to see what I mean. [Ref: Stewart
Baldwin SGM 6/8/1996]
Pedigree of Pharasmenes III King Of Iberia
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Kartam
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Pharasmenes I King Of Iberia
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Artaces I King Of Iberia
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Pharnabazus II King Of Iberia
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(Unk Dau)
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Tigranes II King Of Armenia
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(Unk Dau)
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Mithradates I King Of Iberia
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Amazaspus I King Of Iberia
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Pharasmanes II King Of Iberia
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Radamistus King Of Iberia
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Artavasdes King Of Medie
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(Dareios) Of Medie
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(Unk Dau) Of Kommagene
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Vononnes II King Of Persia
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Phraates IV King Of Persia
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(Unk Dau) Of Persia
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Kleopatra
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Vologaises I King Of Persia
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Mithridates King Of Armenia
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Izates I King Of Adiabene
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Monobazos I King Of Adiabene
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Izates II King Of Adiabene
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Izates I King Of Adiabene
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Helene
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(Unk Dau) Of Adiabene
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Abinerglos King Of Characene
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Symmacho
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Sanatroukes King Of Armenia
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Mannos III Safelou King Of Osrhoene
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Abgar V Oukhama King Of Osrhoene
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Mannos VI King Of Osrhoene
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Seraspadanes Of Persia
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Mithridates
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Shalmath
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Awde Of Osrhoene
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Herod The Great King Of Judaea
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Alexander
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Mariamne
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Alexander
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Archelaus King Of Capapdocia
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Glaphyra
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(Unk Dau) Of Judea
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Ghadana Of Armenia
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