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  1. Amazaspus II King Of Iberia Death: 189
  2. (Unk Dau)

Bibliography
  1. Settipani, Christian, Nos Ancetres de L'Antiquite, Etudes des possibilites de liens genealogiques entre les familles de l'Antiquite. Paris: Editions Christian, 1991. NYPL #ARB-93-7430. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Settipani LGA p[0-9]*].
  2. Baldwin, Stewart, Comments on Iberian route DFA line. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 6/8/1996. Subject: Comments on "Iberian route" DFA line. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/jRFyqatMNxc/m/KlsaVH7XxjEJ. Author address: sbald at AUBURN dot CAMPUS dot MCI dot NET. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 6/8/1996].
  3. Wagner, Anthony, Pedigree and Progress, Essays in the Genealogical Interpretation of History, London, Philmore, 1975. Rutgers Alex CS4.W33. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Wagner PedigreeProgress #[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
father:
[Ref: Wagner PedigreeProgress #33]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: Wagner PedigreeProgress #33]
Sources with Information about marriage to unknown
child:
[Ref: Settipani LGA p68, Wagner PedigreeProgress #33]
Research Notes:
135-185: King of Iberia [Ref: Wagner PedigreeProgress #33]

attested in contemporary sources, which do not give his relationship to any earlier or later Iberian king [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 6/8/1996]

Whatever the immediate source of these Iberian generations might be, it is clear that the basic secondary source for most of this information is the article "Chronology of the Early Kings of Iberia", by Cyril Toumanoff, which appeared in the journal "Traditio", vol. 25 (1969), pp. 1-34. (The chronology of the Iberian kings given here did not exist until Toumanoff wrote that article.)
Toumanoff based his chronological reconstruction on several assumptions, the most important of which was the assumption that the native sources (all ca. 790 and later) had enough reliable information that the chronology and genealogy could be reconstructed. No evidence was offered as to why an eighth century source should be considered reliable for the history of centuries earlier. It was simply assumed that this was the case, and conclusions were drawn.
Now, it seems to me that before a source of this type is used, there ought to be some serious discussion about the reliability of the source, and that if this is done, the obvious conclusion is that the native sources are not reliabable for the period crucial to the genealogy under discussion, and that the resulting genealogy has a two hundred year gaping hole. Here are two very good reasons why the native sources should not be considered reliable for the period in question.
(1) From time to time, contemporary sources from other countries gave the names of various Iberian rulers, although it is not enough to get any kind of continuous account. In such a case, a good test to see how reliable the noncontemporary sources are is to compare them with what the reliable contemporary sources say. When this is done, the match is not very impressive. There are kings who appear in both sources at roughly the same time, but most of the kings in the native king-lists do not appear in the contemporary sources, and the contemporary sources show quite a few kings who do not appear in the king-lists. Toumanoff's solution to this is generally to assume that a king had two different names, and assign the king of the contemporary records as being the same person as somebody on the king-list at about the right time (as with Pharnabazus and Bartom below, and others), but there is one period for which he abandons the native sources entirely and goes with the contemporary evidence. For the first century and part of the second, the native sources have a very artificial "diarchy", where the kingdom was divided between two branches, in which the kings just happened to die and be succeeded by their sons at the same time for several consecutive generations. Since this was blatantly contradicted by the native sources (and is absurd anyway), Toumanoff was forced to admit that the native sources were not reliable for this period, and used the contemporary sources to fill things in. However, when Toumanoff was missing a genealogical detail that the contemporary sources did not provide (the link between generations 31 and 32), that did not stop him from using the obviously unreliable native sources to fill it in. Furthermore, Toumanoff assumed that the period before the "diarchy" was reliably reported from the native sources, and drew important conclusions from them. Toumanoff's approach was apparently to accept every item in the native sources which was not directly contradicted by the more reliable contemporary sources, but it seems to me that a more reasonable sonclusion is that the contemporary sources prove that the native sources have little or no value for this early period, and that their use as a source for genealogical relationships is therefore not acceptable.
(2) The cultures of Iberia and Armenia were closely related, and so a comparison with the case of Armenia is relevant. Armenia's historical writing started much earlier than in Georgia, and much more is known about its history (but they unfortunately don't say as much as we would like about neighboring Georgia). Because Armenian history is much better documented in the contemporary sources, a comparison of the Armenian sources with the contemporary sources shows that the Armenian sources are not reliable in detail for the second century or earlier. (Although many events of the second century and earlier mentioned in the native Armenian histories are clearly based on historical events, and many of the individuals appear in contemporary records, important details are frequently wrong.) If the native Armenian records, with their older historical tradition, cannot be relied on for the period in question, then it is doubtful that any trust can be placed in the Iberian records for the same period.
Another problem with Toumanoff's article is the contortions he has to go through to get his chronology. It is difficult to describe without making this article much longer than it is. It will suffice to say that he is frequently forced to alter the numbers which his sources give, in order to get rid of all of the contradictions, and his manipulation of reign-lengths reminds me of the accountant who is desperately trying to juggle the books before the auditors arrive. I suggest reading his article to see what I mean. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 6/8/1996]



Pedigree of Pharasmenes III King Of Iberia
                                              /-----Kartam
                                     /-----Pharasmenes I King Of Iberia
                                    |        |                  /-----Artaces I King Of Iberia
                                    |        |         /-----Pharnabazus II King Of Iberia
                                    |         \-----(Unk Dau)
                                    |                 |         /-----Tigranes II King Of Armenia
                                    |                  \-----(Unk Dau)
                            /-----Mithradates I King Of Iberia
                   /-----Amazaspus I King Of Iberia
          /-----Pharasmanes II King Of Iberia
 /-----Radamistus King Of Iberia
|        |                                                      /-----Artavasdes King Of Medie
|        |                                             /-----(Dareios) Of Medie
|        |                                            |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Kommagene
|        |                                    /-----Vononnes II King Of Persia
|        |                                   |        |         /-----Phraates IV King Of Persia
|        |                                   |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Persia
|        |                                   |                  \-----Kleopatra
|        |                           /-----Vologaises I King Of Persia
|        |                  /-----Mithridates King Of Armenia
|        |                 |        |                           /-----Izates I King Of Adiabene
|        |                 |        |                  /-----Monobazos I King Of Adiabene
|        |                 |        |         /-----Izates II King Of Adiabene
|        |                 |        |        |        |         /-----Izates I King Of Adiabene
|        |                 |        |        |         \-----Helene
|        |                 |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Adiabene
|        |                 |                 |         /-----Abinerglos King Of Characene
|        |                 |                  \-----Symmacho
|        |         /-----Sanatroukes King Of Armenia
|        |        |        |                           /-----Mannos III Safelou King Of Osrhoene
|        |        |        |                  /-----Abgar V Oukhama King Of Osrhoene
|        |        |        |         /-----Mannos VI King Of Osrhoene
|        |        |        |        |        |                  /-----Seraspadanes Of Persia
|        |        |        |        |        |         /-----Mithridates
|        |        |        |        |         \-----Shalmath
|        |        |         \-----Awde Of Osrhoene
|        |        |                 |                           /-----Herod The Great King Of Judaea
|        |        |                 |                  /-----Alexander
|        |        |                 |                 |         \-----Mariamne
|        |        |                 |         /-----Alexander
|        |        |                 |        |        |         /-----Archelaus King Of Capapdocia
|        |        |                 |        |         \-----Glaphyra
|        |        |                  \-----(Unk Dau) Of Judea
|         \-----Ghadana Of Armenia
|                  \-----(Unk)
Pharasmenes III King Of Iberia



Descendants of Pharasmenes III King Of Iberia
1. Pharasmenes III King Of Iberia m.

2nd generation

3. (Unk Dau) m. Vologaeses V Dikaios Epiphanes Philhellen, King Of Persia
m. Vologaeses V Dikaios Epiphanes Philhellen, King Of Persia father: Vologaesh IV Peroz King Of Parthia

3rd generation

4. Valagash VI King Of Persia m.
5. Artaban IV King Of Persia m.
6. Khosrov I King Of Armenia m.

4th generation

7. Vachagan I The Brave King Of Albania m.
9. Farrukhan Of Persia m.
10. Tiran Of Armenia m.
11. Trdat II King Of Armenia m.

5th generation

12. Vache I King Of Albania m.
17. Khosrov II The Valiant King Of Armenia m.