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Family:
Children:
  1. Hugh De GRANTMESNIL Death: After 1177
  2. Agnes De GRANDMESNIL

Marriage:
Marriage: Children:
  1. William De GRANTMESNIL
  2. Beatrix De RYE

Marriage:
Bibliography
  1. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 09, Moels-Nugent. London: St Catherine Press, 1936. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IX [Ap][p0-9].*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 07 Hussee-Lincolnshire. London: St Catherine Press, 1929. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP VII [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Phillips, Chris, Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP++ .*].
  4. Phillips, Chris, Petronilla de Grandmesnil. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 4/19/1999. Subject: Petronilla de Grandmesnil. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/7_cTgqrHwN8/m/SKFqMUF0T8MJ. Author address: cg dot phillips at ic dot ac dot uk. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Chris Phillips SGM 4/19/1999].
  5. Phillips, Chris, Ancestry of Petronella de Grandmesnil. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 8/9/1999. Subject: Ancestry of Petronella de Grandmesnil (rather long). Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/2LxfjMCvo5Y/m/4FxrMqnqTysJ. Author address: cg dot phillips at ic dot ac dot uk. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Chris Phillips SGM 8/9/1999-A].
  6. Phillips, Chris, de Stuteville family in the Durham Liber Vitae. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 8/9/1999. Subject: de Stuteville family in the Durham Liber Vitae (rather long). Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/yjiSal-cSmI/m/6oLA4R4qImoJ. Author address: cg dot phillips at ic dot ac dot uk. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Chris Phillips SGM 8/9/1999-B].
  7. Clutterbuck, Robert, History and Antiquities of the County of Hertford, London: Nichols, Son, and Bentley, 1815-27, v1-3. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/188626. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Clutterbuck Hertford v[1-3]p[0-9]*].
  8. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. III.4 (#601-#820): Das Feudale Frankreich und sein Einfluss auf die Welt des Mittelalters. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1989. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES III.4 #[0-9]*].
  9. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. XIII: Les Familles Feodales de France I. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1990. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES XIII #[0-9]*].
  10. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol II: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 2002. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 2. Corrections at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p[0-9]*].
  11. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday People, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol I: Domesday Book. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 1999. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 1. Corrections in Volume II (Domesday Descendants) pp 4-5. Further corrections at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-people-corrigenda.pdf Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p[0-9]*].
  12. Bevan, Rosie, Ancestry of Margery de Stuteville, wife of Sir Richard Foliot. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 7/31/2002. Subject: Ancestry of Margery de Stuteville, wife of Sir Richard Foliot. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/TZJlpxTzthU/m/2YRGLJwSZfwJ. Author address: rbevan at fernside dot co dot nz. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Rosie Bevan SGM 7/31/2002-221605].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
first son [Ref: CP VII p532(g), Keats-Rohan DP p263, Keats-Rohan DP p282],
parents:
[Ref: Clutterbuck Hertford v3p287, Keats-Rohan DP p263, Keats-Rohan DP p282],
father:
[Ref: CP VII p532(g), CP VII p532(h)]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: ES III.4 #688, ES III.4 #697, ES XIII #103]
abt 1136 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p263]
Sources for burial Information
place:
[Ref: ES XIII #103]
Sources with Information about marriage to unknown
child:
[Ref: CP IX p43note, CP VII p532(h)]
Sources with Information about marriage to Agnes Of Bayeux
date:
first marriage of Robert [Ref: CP VII p532(h), ES III.4 #697],
names:
[Ref: CP VII p677, Keats-Rohan DD p228]
Sources with Information about marriage to Emma De Estouteville
date:
second marriage of Emma [Ref: ES XIII #103]
second marriage of Robert [Ref: CP VII p532(h), ES III.4 #697, Keats-Rohan DD p723, Keats-Rohan DP p263, Rosie Bevan SGM 7/31/2002-221605],
names:
[Ref: Chris Phillips SGM 8/9/1999-B],
child:
[Ref: CP++ Leicester 12/31/2006 (CP VII p532), Chris Phillips SGM 8/9/1999-A, Keats-Rohan DP p263]
Sources with Information about marriage to Lucy Fitz Chaine
date:
third marriage of Robert [Ref: CP VII p532(h), ES III.4 #697],
names:
[Ref: ES III.4 #688, Keats-Rohan DD p876]
Research Notes:
inherited the Norman lands from father [Ref: CP VII p532(h), Keats-Rohan DP p263, Keats-Rohan DP p282]

Nearly all the genealogical evidence about the family derives from the Ecclesiastical History of Orderic Vitalis [4]. This includes an overall survey of the family written (possibly as a later edition to the work) after the death of Robert, the eldest son of Hugh, around 1136. Unfortunately, Roberts heir is not named. However, there is no indication that he died without issue; at any rate, his longevity is contrasted with the fate of his younger brothers: not one of them [the brothers] except Robert lived to old age or enjoyed peaceful prosperity for very long.
Orderic does mention one grandson of Hugh who was called William. This was the son of Hughs son William, who went to Apulia and married Mabel, daughter of Robert Guiscard. The fullest accounts of the Apulian branch I have seen are those of Chalandon [5] and Jamison [6]. On this evidence, the younger William does not seem a very likely candidate as the father of Petronella. The elder William was dead by 1114 [7]. His initial heir seems to have been the younger William, but he was succeeded by his brother Robert by the late 1120s (apparently by 1127 [5]). Perhaps it could still be argued that an infant daughter of William (Petronella?) might be passed over in favour of his adult brother. But as Petronella married in the mid-to-late 1150s [8], presumably she would have been born around the late 1130s, so that, even given this special pleading, the Apulian William would have died 10-20 years too early to be her father. [Ref: Chris Phillips SGM 8/9/1999-A]



Pedigree of Robert De GRANTMESNIL
          /-----Robert De Grentmesnil
 /-----Hugh De Grantmesnil, Baron Of Leicester
|        |         /-----Girole De Echafour
|         \-----Hawise De Echafour
|                 |         /-----Thursten De Bastenburgh
|                  \-----Gisela De Bastenburgh
Robert De GRANTMESNIL
|                                             /-----Ivo
|                                    /-----Ivo
|                                   |         \-----Geila
|                           /-----Ivo Count Of Belemontensis
|                  /-----Ivo I Count Of Beaumont
|         /-----Ivo II Count Of Beaumont
|        |         \-----Emma
 \-----Adeliza Of Beaumont
          \-----Judith



Descendants of Robert De GRANTMESNIL
1. Robert De GRANTMESNIL m1. m2. Agnes Of Bayeux m3. Emma De Estouteville m4. Lucy Fitz Chaine
m. Agnes Of Bayeux father: Ranulph III De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester mother: Lucia Of East Angies
m. Emma De Estouteville father: Robert De Estouteville mother: Beatrix
m. Lucy Fitz Chaine father: Savery Fitz Cana mother: Muriel De MERI

2nd generation

4. William De GRANTMESNIL m.
5. Beatrix De RYE m.

3rd generation

6. Petronilla De GRANTMESNIL m. Sir Robert De BEAUMONT, Earl Of Leicester
m. Sir Robert De BEAUMONT, Earl Of Leicester father: Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester mother: Amicia De Gael

4th generation

11. Margaret BEAUMONT m. Saire De QUINCEY, Earl Of Winchester, MC Suret
m. Saire De QUINCEY, Earl Of Winchester, MC Suret father: Robert De QUINCEY mother: Orabella
12. Amice BEAUMONT, Countess Of Leicester m1. Simon De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort And Ro m2. William De BARRES
m. Simon De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort And Ro father: Simon De MONTFORT, Count Of Evreux mother: Maud
m. William De BARRES father: Guillaume De BARRES mother: Helissende De Chaumont

5th generation

15. Robert De QUINCEY m. Hawise Of Chester, Countess Of Lincoln
m. Hawise Of Chester, Countess Of Lincoln father: Hugh Of Kevelioc, Earl Of Chester mother: Bertrade De MONTFORT
16. Roger De QUINCY, Earl Of Winchester m1. Helen Of Galloway m2. Maud De BOHUN m3. Eleanor De FERRERS
m. Helen Of Galloway father: Alan Lord Of Galloway, Constable Of Scotland mother: (Unk Dau) De LACY
m. Maud De BOHUN father: Humphrey V De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex mother: Maud D'EU
m. Eleanor De FERRERS father: William De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby mother: Sibyl MARSHALL
17. Robert De QUINCY, Lord Of Ware m. Elen
m. Elen father: Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH, Prince Of North Wales mother: Joan
20. Hawise De QUINCEY m. Sir Hugh De VERE, Earl Of Oxford
m. Sir Hugh De VERE, Earl Of Oxford father: Robert De VERE, Earl Of Oxford, MC Surety mother: Isabel De BOLEBEC
21. Orabella De QUINCY m. Sir Richard De HARCOURT
m. Sir Richard De HARCOURT father: William De HARCOURT, Gov Of Tamworth Castle mother: Alice NOEL
22. Lorette De QUINCEY m. Sir William De VALOIGNES, Chamberlain Of Scotland
m. Sir William De VALOIGNES, Chamberlain Of Scotland father: Philip De VALOINES
23. Guy De MONTFORT, Seigneur De La Ferte Alais m. Helvid De Ibelin
m. Helvid De Ibelin father: Balian I Lord Of Ibelin And Naplouse mother: Maria Komnene
26. Simon IV De MONTFORT L'AUMARY m. Alix De MONTMORENCY
m. Alix De MONTMORENCY father: Bouchard De MONTMORENCY mother: Lauretia Of Hainault