Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Hubert De BURGH, Bishop of Limerick
- William De BURGH
- Richard De BURGH, Lord of Connaught Birth: Abt 1193
Death: Abt 17 Feb 1242/3 in Gascony
Bibliography
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Foss, Edward, Biographia Juridica, Biographical Dictionary of the Judges of England, London: John Murray, 1870. Available at https://books.google.com/books?id=O0oBAAAAQAAJ Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Foss Judges p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
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Baldwin, Stewart, Donnell O'Brien, king of Thomond. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 8/29/2001. Subject: Donnell O'Brien, king of Thomond. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/6QNgVklU1bw/m/KEwml0_WATkJ. Author address: sbaldw at mindspring dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/29/2001-030404].
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Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].
Sources for birth and parent Information
- father:
- [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14, Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/29/2001-030404,
Weis AR7 #177B]
Sources with Information about marriage to William De BURGH, Lord of Connaught
- date:
- before 1193 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14],
- names:
- William De BURGH & Juliana dau of Robert DOISNELL [Ref: Foss Judges
p256]
- William De Burgh & dau of Donnell O'Brien [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc
v2p14, Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/29/2001-030404, Weis AR7 #177B],
- child:
- [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14, Weis AR7 #177B]
Research Notes:
The primary source making the claim that William de Burgh married a daughter
of Domnall Mor is the Book of Lecan (an early fifteenth century manuscript),
folio 82r. It is in a genealogical tract on the sept known as Ui Maine (later
Hy-Many), and was given with an English translation in John O'Donovan's "The
Tribes and Customs of Hy-Many" (Dublin, 1843), p. 44 (Irish) and p. 45
(English translation). The full text of the relevant paragraph is as follows:
Irish:
Se meic Domnaill Moir, mic Taidg Taillten, .i. Concobar, ocus Tadg Find
Maigi Ruscach, ocus Eogan, ocus Tomas Espoc, ocus Lochlaind, ocus Diarmaid.
Ingen Domnall Moir h-I Bhriain, mathair an t-seisir sin, ocus derbsiur di
mathair Fheidlimid, mic Cathail Croib-deirg, ocus derbsiur eli doib mathair
Ricaird, mic Uilliam Find, o fuil Clann Ricaird.
[Note: The manuscript contains numerous abbreviated forms, which are
silently expanded by O'Donovan. For example, the word "ocus" is always an
ampersand in the manuscript. There are a few cases where lenition (given by a
following "h" in modern Irish) is given as a dot over the letter by O'Donovan,
and I have given it by a following "h", due to the lack of the relevant
symbols on computer keyboards.]
O'Donovan's English translation:
Domhnall Mor, the son of Tadhg Taillten, had six sons, viz., Conchobhar,
Tadhg Finn of Magh Ruscach, Eoghan, Thomas the Bishop, Lochlainn, and
Diarmaid. The daughter of Domnall Mor O'Brien was the mother of these six
sons, and her sister was the mother of Feidlimidh, the son of Cathal
Croibhdherg [Charles the Redhanded] O'Conor, and another sister was the mother
of Rickard, son of William Finn, from whom are the Clann-Rickard.
[Notes: In a note at the bottom, O'Donovan gives 1263 as the date of death
for Thomas the Bishop. O'Donovan has apparently modernized the spellings of
the names to nineteenth century forms. The Anglicization of "Charles" for
"Cathal" would have been later, and it is not likely that Cathal would have
been known as "Charles" in his own lifetime. The bracket after "Redhanded was
misplaced by O'Donovan, and should have been put after "O'Conor", which is
also not in the manuscript.]
The tract, as it exists now, could not have been written before the year
1378, for it refers (p.49 of O'Donovan's translation) to a "Muichertach the
Bishop" who is known to have become bishop in that year. On the other hand,
the writer was giving an account of the sept Ui Maine, and there would have
been no obvious motive for him to invent a mother for Richard de Burgh. Thus,
it seems likely that he was either updating an earlier account, or had some
other written source for the statement.
However, even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that the above
account from the Book of Lecan is correct as it is given, there is another
problem, and that is that the descents from this family which are relevant to
most people follow through William's son Richard (d. 1243), so the marriage,
even if true, does not do much good (for the purposes of tracing ancestry from
Domnall) unless this Richard can be shown to be a son of that marriage. In the
genealogical table in volume 9 of "A New History of Ireland", p. 170, the
Clanricard line of the Burkes is traced back to a certain Richard "the
younger", who is then given (with a dotted line) as a possible younger son of
William de Burgh (d. 1205), and thus as a same-named brother of Richard (d.
1243), ancestor of the de Burgh earls of Ulster. A note at the bottom the page
of that genealogical table states: "The origins of the Clanricard line are not
absolutely proven, but the descent given is that of the best Irish
genealogical sources, and is not contradicted by contemporary sources." Thus,
if this is correct, the statement of the Book of Lecan would apply to the
younger Richard, and not to the Richard who died in 1243, who would then
likely be a son of William by another marriage. Thus, if we accept the account
of the Book of Lecan as being accurate, it would apply to the Richard who died
in 1243 only if it could be shown that he (and not a younger brother of the
same name) were the ancestor of the Burghs of Clanricard.
Thus, the claimed descent from Domnall Mor cannot be accepted as proven
without additional evidence. If somebody could produce evidence eliminating
the weak link regarding Richard de Burgh's mother, then the ancestry of
Domnall Mor poses no serious problems, and can be traced way back in a number
of lines. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/29/2001-030404]
Pedigree of (Unk Dau) O'BRIEN
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Lorcan Dal Cais King Of Munster And Thomond
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Cennetig Dal Cais King Of Munster And Thomond
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Brian Boruma, King Of Cashel And Munster, High
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Aurchad King Of Ui Briuin Or West Connacht
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Be Bind
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Osnadh
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Tadg Mac Briain
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Carrlus Mac AILELLA, King Of Ui Adea Ocba
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Echrad
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Tairrdelbach Mac TADG, King Of Cashel And Munster, Hi
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Gilla Brigte Ua Mael Muaid, King Of Cenel Fiachach
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Mor
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Diarmaid O'Brien, King Of Munster
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Cellach Mac Cerbaill, King Of Osraige
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Donnchad King Of Ossory
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Echrad
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Gilla Patraic Mac Donnchada, King Of Ossory
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Faelan Mac Cormac, King Of Dessi
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Aife
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Tadc Mac Gilla Patraic
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Derbforgaill
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Tairrdelbach O'Brien, King Of Munster
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Ruaidri Na Saide Buide Ua Conchobar, King of Co
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Mor
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Domnall Mor O'Brien, King Of Munster
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Donnchad King Of Ossory
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Gilla Patraic Mac Donnchada, King Of Ossory
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Aife
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Donnchad King Of Osraige
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Harold
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Mael Maire
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Gilla Patraic King Of Osraige
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Domnall Mac Gilla Patraic, King of Ossraige
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Donnchad Balc Mac Gilla Patraic Ruad, King of Ossraig
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(Unk Dau) O'BRIEN
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