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Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Hubert De BURGH, Bishop of Limerick
  2. William De BURGH
  3. Richard De BURGH, Lord of Connaught Birth: Abt 1193 Death: Abt 17 Feb 1242/3 in Gascony

Bibliography
  1. Foss, Edward, Biographia Juridica, Biographical Dictionary of the Judges of England, London: John Murray, 1870. Available at https://books.google.com/books?id=O0oBAAAAQAAJ Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Foss Judges p[0-9]*].
  2. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
  3. Baldwin, Stewart, Donnell O'Brien, king of Thomond. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 8/29/2001. Subject: Donnell O'Brien, king of Thomond. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/6QNgVklU1bw/m/KEwml0_WATkJ. Author address: sbaldw at mindspring dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/29/2001-030404].
  4. Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
father:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14, Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/29/2001-030404, Weis AR7 #177B]
Sources with Information about marriage to William De BURGH, Lord of Connaught
date:
before 1193 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14],
names:
William De BURGH & Juliana dau of Robert DOISNELL [Ref: Foss Judges p256]
William De Burgh & dau of Donnell O'Brien [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14, Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/29/2001-030404, Weis AR7 #177B],
child:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p14, Weis AR7 #177B]
Research Notes:
The primary source making the claim that William de Burgh married a daughter of Domnall Mor is the Book of Lecan (an early fifteenth century manuscript), folio 82r. It is in a genealogical tract on the sept known as Ui Maine (later Hy-Many), and was given with an English translation in John O'Donovan's "The Tribes and Customs of Hy-Many" (Dublin, 1843), p. 44 (Irish) and p. 45 (English translation). The full text of the relevant paragraph is as follows:
Irish:
Se meic Domnaill Moir, mic Taidg Taillten, .i. Concobar, ocus Tadg Find Maigi Ruscach, ocus Eogan, ocus Tomas Espoc, ocus Lochlaind, ocus Diarmaid. Ingen Domnall Moir h-I Bhriain, mathair an t-seisir sin, ocus derbsiur di mathair Fheidlimid, mic Cathail Croib-deirg, ocus derbsiur eli doib mathair Ricaird, mic Uilliam Find, o fuil Clann Ricaird.
[Note: The manuscript contains numerous abbreviated forms, which are silently expanded by O'Donovan. For example, the word "ocus" is always an ampersand in the manuscript. There are a few cases where lenition (given by a following "h" in modern Irish) is given as a dot over the letter by O'Donovan, and I have given it by a following "h", due to the lack of the relevant symbols on computer keyboards.]

O'Donovan's English translation:
Domhnall Mor, the son of Tadhg Taillten, had six sons, viz., Conchobhar, Tadhg Finn of Magh Ruscach, Eoghan, Thomas the Bishop, Lochlainn, and Diarmaid. The daughter of Domnall Mor O'Brien was the mother of these six sons, and her sister was the mother of Feidlimidh, the son of Cathal Croibhdherg [Charles the Redhanded] O'Conor, and another sister was the mother of Rickard, son of William Finn, from whom are the Clann-Rickard.
[Notes: In a note at the bottom, O'Donovan gives 1263 as the date of death for Thomas the Bishop. O'Donovan has apparently modernized the spellings of the names to nineteenth century forms. The Anglicization of "Charles" for "Cathal" would have been later, and it is not likely that Cathal would have been known as "Charles" in his own lifetime. The bracket after "Redhanded was misplaced by O'Donovan, and should have been put after "O'Conor", which is also not in the manuscript.]

The tract, as it exists now, could not have been written before the year 1378, for it refers (p.49 of O'Donovan's translation) to a "Muichertach the Bishop" who is known to have become bishop in that year. On the other hand, the writer was giving an account of the sept Ui Maine, and there would have been no obvious motive for him to invent a mother for Richard de Burgh. Thus, it seems likely that he was either updating an earlier account, or had some other written source for the statement.
However, even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that the above account from the Book of Lecan is correct as it is given, there is another problem, and that is that the descents from this family which are relevant to most people follow through William's son Richard (d. 1243), so the marriage, even if true, does not do much good (for the purposes of tracing ancestry from Domnall) unless this Richard can be shown to be a son of that marriage. In the genealogical table in volume 9 of "A New History of Ireland", p. 170, the Clanricard line of the Burkes is traced back to a certain Richard "the younger", who is then given (with a dotted line) as a possible younger son of William de Burgh (d. 1205), and thus as a same-named brother of Richard (d. 1243), ancestor of the de Burgh earls of Ulster. A note at the bottom the page of that genealogical table states: "The origins of the Clanricard line are not absolutely proven, but the descent given is that of the best Irish genealogical sources, and is not contradicted by contemporary sources." Thus, if this is correct, the statement of the Book of Lecan would apply to the younger Richard, and not to the Richard who died in 1243, who would then likely be a son of William by another marriage. Thus, if we accept the account of the Book of Lecan as being accurate, it would apply to the Richard who died in 1243 only if it could be shown that he (and not a younger brother of the same name) were the ancestor of the Burghs of Clanricard.
Thus, the claimed descent from Domnall Mor cannot be accepted as proven without additional evidence. If somebody could produce evidence eliminating the weak link regarding Richard de Burgh's mother, then the ancestry of Domnall Mor poses no serious problems, and can be traced way back in a number of lines. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/29/2001-030404]



Pedigree of (Unk Dau) O'BRIEN
                                                                /-----Lorcan Dal Cais King Of Munster And Thomond
                                                       /-----Cennetig Dal Cais King Of Munster And Thomond
                                              /-----Brian Boruma, King Of Cashel And Munster, High
                                             |        |         /-----Aurchad King Of Ui Briuin Or West Connacht
                                             |         \-----Be Bind
                                             |                  \-----Osnadh
                                     /-----Tadg Mac Briain
                                    |        |         /-----Carrlus Mac AILELLA, King Of Ui Adea Ocba
                                    |         \-----Echrad
                            /-----Tairrdelbach Mac TADG, King Of Cashel And Munster, Hi
                           |        |         /-----Gilla Brigte Ua Mael Muaid, King Of Cenel Fiachach
                           |         \-----Mor
                   /-----Diarmaid O'Brien, King Of Munster
                  |        |                                    /-----Cellach Mac Cerbaill, King Of Osraige
                  |        |                           /-----Donnchad King Of Ossory
                  |        |                          |         \-----Echrad
                  |        |                  /-----Gilla Patraic Mac Donnchada, King Of Ossory
                  |        |                 |        |         /-----Faelan Mac Cormac, King Of Dessi
                  |        |                 |         \-----Aife
                  |        |         /-----Tadc Mac Gilla Patraic
                  |         \-----Derbforgaill
          /-----Tairrdelbach O'Brien, King Of Munster
         |        |         /-----Ruaidri Na Saide Buide Ua Conchobar, King of Co
         |         \-----Mor
 /-----Domnall Mor O'Brien, King Of Munster
|        |                                                      /-----Donnchad King Of Ossory
|        |                                             /-----Gilla Patraic Mac Donnchada, King Of Ossory
|        |                                            |         \-----Aife
|        |                                    /-----Donnchad King Of Osraige
|        |                                   |        |         /-----Harold
|        |                                   |         \-----Mael Maire
|        |                           /-----Gilla Patraic King Of Osraige
|        |                  /-----Domnall Mac Gilla Patraic, King of Ossraige
|        |         /-----Donnchad Balc Mac Gilla Patraic Ruad, King of Ossraig
|         \-----Sadb
(Unk Dau) O'BRIEN



Descendants of (Unk Dau) O'BRIEN
1. (Unk Dau) O'BRIEN m. William De BURGH, Lord of Connaught
m. William De BURGH, Lord of Connaught father: Walter De BURGH mother: Alice

2nd generation

4. Richard De BURGH, Lord of Connaught m. Egidia (Jill) De LACY
m. Egidia (Jill) De LACY father: Walter De LACY, Baron Of Weobley mother: Margaret De BRAOISE

3rd generation

5. Margery De BURGH m. Theobald Le BOTELER
m. Theobald Le BOTELER father: Theobald Le BOTELER mother: Joan Du MARAIS
6. Matilda De BURG m. Gerald De PRENDERGAST
m. Gerald De PRENDERGAST father: Philip De PRENDERGAST mother: Maude De QUENCI
7. William Og De BURG m.
9. (Unk dau) De BURG m. Hamon De VALOYNES
m. Hamon De VALOYNES
11. Walter De BURG, Earl Of Ulster m. Aveline FITZJOHN
m. Aveline FITZJOHN father: Sir John FITZ GEOFFREY mother: Isabel BIGOD

4th generation

12. Theobald Le BOTELER m. Joan FITZ JOHN
m. Joan FITZ JOHN father: Sir John FITZ GEOFFREY mother: Isabel BIGOD
13. Matilda De PRENDERGAST m1. David FITZ MAURICE m2. Maurice De ROCHFORT m3. Maurice FITZ MAURICE FITZ GERALD, Lord Of Offaly
m. David FITZ MAURICE
m. Maurice De ROCHFORT
m. Maurice FITZ MAURICE FITZ GERALD, Lord Of Offaly father: Sir Maurice FITZ GERALD, Baron Offaly mother: Juliane
16. Egidia De BURGH m. James STEWART, High Steward Of Scotland
m. James STEWART, High Steward Of Scotland father: Alexander STEWART, High Steward Of Scotland mother: Joanna
20. Richard De BURGH, Earl Of Ulster m. Margaret Of Guines
m. Margaret Of Guines father: Arnold III Count Of Guines mother: Alix Of Coucy

5th generation

22. Edmund Le BOTELER m1. Joan FITZ JOHN m2. Agnes
m. Joan FITZ JOHN father: John FITZ THOMAS FITZ GERALD, Earl Of Kildare mother: Blanche ROCHE
m. Agnes
32. Julian FITZ MAURICE m1. Thomas DeCLARE, Lord Of Thomond m2. Adam De CRETING m3. Sir Nicholas AVENEL
m. Thomas DeCLARE, Lord Of Thomond father: Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Gloucester And Hertfor mother: Maud De LACY
m. Adam De CRETING
m. Sir Nicholas AVENEL
35. Walter High Steward Of Scotland m1. Marjorie De BRUCE m2. Isabel GRAHAM
m. Marjorie De BRUCE father: Robert De BRUS, King Of Scots mother: Isabel Of Mar
m. Isabel GRAHAM father: Sir Nicholas GRAHAM mother: Mary Of Strathearn
39. Elizabeth De BURG m. Robert De BRUS, King Of Scots
m. Robert De BRUS, King Of Scots father: Sir Robert De BRUS, Earl Of Carrick, Lord Of Annand mother: Margaret Of Carrick, Countess Of Carrick
40. Maud De BURGH m. Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Gloucester
m. Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Gloucester father: Sir Gilbert DeCLARE, Earl Of Gloucester And Hertford mother: Joan PLANTAGENET
41. Aveline De BURGH m. John De BERMINGHAM, Earl Of Louth
m. John De BERMINGHAM, Earl Of Louth father: Piers De BERMINGHAM, Lord Of Thetmoy mother: Ela De ODINGSELLS
45. Joan De BURGH m1. Thomas FITZ JOHN FITZ GERALD, Earl Of Kildare m2. Sir John DARCY, Lord Darcy
m. Thomas FITZ JOHN FITZ GERALD, Earl Of Kildare father: John FITZ THOMAS FITZ GERALD, Earl Of Kildare mother: Blanche ROCHE
m. Sir John DARCY, Lord Darcy father: Sir Roger DARCY mother: Isabel D'ATON
47. Eleanor De BURGH m. Sir Thomas De MULTON, Lord Multon
m. Sir Thomas De MULTON, Lord Multon father: Sir Thomas De MULTON mother: Emoine Le BOTELER
48. Sir John De BURG m. Elizabeth DeCLARE
m. Elizabeth DeCLARE father: Sir Gilbert DeCLARE, Earl Of Gloucester And Hertford mother: Joan PLANTAGENET