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Marriage: Children:
  1. Elizabeth FITZ PAYN Death: Abt 1392
  2. Isabel FITZ PAYN Birth: Abt 1362 Death: 11 Apr 1394

Bibliography
  1. Banks, Thomas Christopher, Baronia anglica concentrata: or, A concentrated account of all the baronies commonly called baronies in fee; deriving their origin from writ of summons, and not from any specific limited creation. London: Simpkin, 1844. Available at https://archive.org/details/baroniaanglicaco01bankuoft. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Banks Baronies v[1-2]p[0-9]*].
  2. Beltz, George Frederick, Memorials of the most noble Order of the Garter. London: Pickering, 1841. Available at http://archive.org/details/memorialsofmostn00beltuoft Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Beltz KnightsofGarter p[0-9]*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 02 Bass-Canning. London: St Catherine Press, 1912. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 2 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo02coka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP II [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
  5. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 10, Oakham-Richmond. London: St Catherine Press, 1945. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP X [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
eldest child, possibly abt 1340 [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1998],
parents:
[Ref: Beltz KnightsofGarter p181, CP V p463, Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1998, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p1, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p273, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p2],
father:
[Ref: CP++ Poynings 2/22/2005 (CP X p663 and XIV p535), Richardson RoyalAnc v2p333, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p423]
Sir Guy de Bryan, Knight [Ref: CP II p361(h)],
brother:
Sir Guy de Bryan, Lord Bryan [Ref: CP X p663]
Sources for death Information
date:
before husband [Ref: CP V p464, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p273]
living 1 Jul 1359 [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1998]
Sources with Information about marriage to Robert FITZ PAYN
date:
1351-4 [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1998]
before 16 Oct 1354 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p273]
between 16 Aug 1351 and 16 Oct 1354 [Ref: CP V p463],
names:
[Ref: Beltz KnightsofGarter p181, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p2],
child:
[Ref: Banks Baronies v1p210, CP II p361(h), CP V p464, CP X p663 (with corr in XIV p535), CP++ Poynings 2/22/2005 (CP X p663 and XIV p535), Douglas Richardson SGM 12/14/2006-032158, Richardson PA p240, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p207, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p273, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p333, Roberts RD600 p479]
Research Notes:
daughter and heir of Sir Guy de Bryan, Knight [Ref: CP II p361(h)]

the suggestion that Elizabeth, the wife of Robert fitzPayn, was a daughter of the elder Guy de Bryan (d.1390) is confirmed by a reference in the wife of his son, the younger Guy de Bryan (d.1386) to "mon treschere frere Robard le Fitzpayn" showing that Robert was his brother-in-law. The chronology suggests that she would have been Guy's daughter by a marriage earlier than that to Elizabeth Montagu [Ref: CP++ Bryan 2/21/2005 (CP II p361)]

in her issue coheir of her father [Ref: CP V p463]

in her issue, coheir of her brother Sir Guy (De Bryan), Lord Bryan [Ref: CP X p663]

Aug 16 1351: as "Elizabeth daughter of Guy de Briane, Knight, damsel (unmarried) of the diocese of St Davids" received an indult to choose confesors [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1998]

Oct 16 1354: "Robert son of Richard de Grey of Codenore and Elizabeth his wife" mentioned [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 10/20/1998]

It is to be observed that the Earls of Northumberland, from the marriage with Eleanor, granddaughter and heiress of Robert, Lord Poynings, styled themselves Barons Poynings, Fitz-Payne, and Bryan, probably owing to the fact as stated by Dugdale, Vincent, and other authorities, that Richard, Lord Poynings, father of the said Robert, Lord Poynings, m "Isabel, daughter and heir of Robert (Grey, afterwards Fitz Payn) Baron Fitz-Payne (so styled), by Elizabeth, daughter and heir of Sir Guy de Bryan, Knight." The dates show that this Elizabeth cannot be the daughter of Sir Guy de B junior mentioned in the text, for inquisitions make her to be aged 4 years 9 Ric II (1385/6) and 10 years of age 14 Ric II (1390/1), whilst Isabel, her presumed child, is stated to be 30 years of age 16 Ric II (1392/3); nor does it appear that any alliance ever took place between the descendants of Guy de Bryan, who was sum to parl 24 Edw III, and the family of Fitz-Payne, which could warrant such assumption, and "hence (it is evident) that the Earls of Northumberland never had the slightest pretensions to the Barony of Bryan created by that writ, or to any other Barony of Bryan." [Ref: CP II p361(h)]



Pedigree of Elizabeth De BRYAN
          /-----Sir Guy De BRYAN
 /-----Sir Guy De BRYAN, K.G., Lord Bryan
|        |         /-----Gruffudd Ap LLOYD
|         \-----Gwenillan Ap LLOYD
Elizabeth De BRYAN
|                                                               /-----Eudes FITZ WILLIAM De CAREW
|                                                      /-----William De CARREU
|                                                     |         \-----(Unk Dau)
|                                             /-----Nicholas De CARREU
|                                    /-----William De CARREU
|                                   |         \-----Catherine MYLES
|                           /-----Nicholas De CARREU
|                          |        |                           /-----John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
|                          |        |                  /-----John MARSHAL
|                          |        |                 |         \-----Sibyl De SALISBURY
|                          |        |         /-----Sir John MARSHAL
|                          |        |        |         \-----Alice De COLVILLE
|                          |         \-----Alice MARSHAL
|                          |                 |                  /-----Hubert De RYE, Baron Of Hockering
|                          |                 |         /-----Hubert De RYE, Baron Of Rye
|                          |                  \-----Aline De Rye
|                          |                          |         /-----William FITZ ROCELIN
|                          |                           \-----Margaret
|                  /-----Sir Nicholas CARREU
|                 |        |         /-----Richard TUTE
|                 |         \-----Avice TUTE
|         /-----Sir John CARREU
|        |        |         /-----(Unk) PEVEREL
|        |         \-----Amice PEVEREL
 \-----Joan De CARREU
         |                                                      /-----Hugh TALBOT
         |                                             /-----Richard TALBOT
         |                                            |         \-----Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
         |                                    /-----Gilbert TALBOT
         |                                   |        |         /-----Stephen De BULMER
         |                                   |         \-----(Unk dau) De BULMER
         |                                   |                  \-----Cecily De MUSCHAMP
         |                           /-----Richard TALBOT
         |                  /-----Gilbert TALBOT
         |                 |        |                           /-----Gilbert BASSET
         |                 |        |                  /-----Thomas BASSET
         |                 |        |                 |         \-----Edith
         |                 |        |         /-----Sir Alan BASSET
         |                 |        |        |        |         /-----Alan De DUNSTANVILLE
         |                 |        |        |         \-----Adeliza De DUNSTANVILLE
         |                 |         \-----Aline BASSET
         |                 |                 |                  /-----Stephen De GAI
         |                 |                 |         /-----Phillip De GAI
         |                 |                 |        |         \-----Aline PIPARD
         |                 |                  \-----Aline De GAI
         |                 |                           \-----Sedzilia
         |         /-----Richard TALBOT
         |        |        |         /-----Rhys MECHYLL
         |        |         \-----Gwenthlian MECHYLL
          \-----Joan TALBOT
                  |                                             /-----Walter BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
                  |                                    /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
                  |                                   |         \-----Emeline De ARBITOT
                  |                           /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
                  |                          |        |         /-----William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
                  |                          |         \-----Bertha BRAOS
                  |                          |                  \-----Bertha Of Hereford
                  |                  /-----Walter De BEAUCHAMP
                  |                 |        |         /-----Sir Thomas De St VALERIE
                  |                 |         \-----Joan De St VALERIE
                  |         /-----William BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Elmsley Castle
                  |        |        |                           /-----Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
                  |        |        |                  /-----Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
                  |        |        |         /-----Roger De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
                  |        |        |        |        |         /-----William De MESCHINES, Baron Of Egremont
                  |        |        |        |         \-----Maud De MESCHINES
                  |        |        |        |                  \-----Cecily De ROMILLY
                  |        |         \-----Joan MORTIMER
                  |        |                 |                  /-----Henry De FERRERS
                  |        |                 |         /-----Walkeline FERRERS, Lord Of Oakham
                  |        |                  \-----Isabel De FERRIERS
                   \-----Sarah De BEAUCHAMP
                           |                                    /-----William II MAUDIT
                           |                           /-----William III MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
                           |                          |         \-----Maude De HAMESLAPE
                           |                  /-----Robert MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
                           |                 |        |         /-----Simon II De St. LIZ, Earl Of Huntingdon
                           |                 |         \-----Isabel De St LIZ
                           |                 |                  \-----Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
                           |         /-----William IV MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
                           |        |        |         /-----Thurstan BASSET
                           |        |         \-----Isabel BASSET
                            \-----Isabel MAUDUIT
                                    |                           /-----Henry De Newburgh, Earl Of Warwick
                                    |                  /-----Roger De Newburgh, Earl Of Warwick
                                    |                 |         \-----Margaret De Perche
                                    |         /-----Waleran Beaumont De Newbourge, Earl Of Warwick
                                    |        |        |         /-----William II De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey
                                    |        |         \-----Gundred De WARENNE, Countess Of Warwick
                                    |        |                  \-----Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
                                     \-----Alice De NEWBOURGE
                                             |                  /-----Ivo De Harcourt
                                             |         /-----Robert De Harcourt
                                              \-----Alice De Harcourt
                                                      |         /-----Richard De Camville
                                                       \-----Millicent De Camville
                                                                \-----Milicent Of Rethel



Descendants of Elizabeth De BRYAN
1. Elizabeth De BRYAN m. Robert FITZ PAYN
m. Robert FITZ PAYN father: Sir Richard De GREY, Lord Grey Of Codnor mother: Joan FITZ PAYN

2nd generation

3. Isabel FITZ PAYN m. Sir Richard De POYNINGS, Lord Poynings
m. Sir Richard De POYNINGS, Lord Poynings father: Sir Michael POYNINGS, Lord Poynings mother: Joan

3rd generation

4. Joan POYNINGS m. Sir Richard CAMOYS
m. Sir Richard CAMOYS father: Thomas CAMOYS, K.G., Lord Camoys mother: Elizabeth LOUCHES
5. Robert POYNINGS, Lord Poynings m1. Elizabeth De GREY m2. Margaret SQUERY
m. Elizabeth De GREY father: Reynold De GREY, Lord Grey Of Ruthin mother: Margaret De ROOS
m. Margaret SQUERY father: Thomas SQUERY

4th generation

8. Margaret CAMOYS m. Ralph RADMYLDE
m. Ralph RADMYLDE father: Thomas RADEMYLDE
9. Eleanor CAMOYS m. Sir Roger LEWKNOR
m. Sir Roger LEWKNOR father: Sir Thomas LEWKNOR mother: Philippa DALYNGRIDGE
11. Sir Richard POYNINGS m1. Joan SEAMER m2. Eleanor De BERKELEY
m. Joan SEAMER father: Henry SEAMER
m. Eleanor De BERKELEY father: Sir John De BERKELEY mother: Elizabeth BETTESHORNE
12. Robert POYNINGS m. Elizabeth PASTON
m. Elizabeth PASTON father: William PASTON mother: Agnes BERRY

5th generation

15. Robert RADMYLDE m.
16. Margaret RADMYLDE m. John GORING
m. John GORING
17. Isabel RADMYLDE m. Nicholas LEWKNOR
m. Nicholas LEWKNOR father: Sir Thomas LEWKNOR mother: Elizabeth ECHINGHAM
18. Sir Thomas LEWKNOR m1. Katherine PELHAM m2. Jane
m. Katherine PELHAM father: Sir John PELHAM mother: Joan De COURCY
m. Jane
22. Richard LEWKNOR m.
24. Elizabeth LEWKNOR m. John WROTH
m. John WROTH father: William WROTH
29. Eleanor POYNINGS, Baroness Poynings m. Sir Henry PERCY, Earl Of Northumberland
m. Sir Henry PERCY, Earl Of Northumberland father: Sir Henry PERCY, Earl Of Northumberland mother: Eleanor NEVILLE
30. Sir Edward POYNINGS, K.G. m1. Rose WHETHILL m2. Elizabeth SCOTT
m. Rose WHETHILL father: Adrian WHETHILL
m. Elizabeth SCOTT father: Sir John SCOTT