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    Person Info
  • Name: Isabel
  • Sex: F
  • Death: 2 Jul 1349 d


  • Parents:
  • Father:
  • Eudo La ZOUCHE Birth: Abt 1297 Death: 24 Apr 1326 in Paris, France
  • Mother:
  • Joan INGE Birth: Abt 1300 Death: Before Jan 1359/60

Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Isabel LOVEL
  2. Elizabeth LOVEL
  3. John LOVEL, Lord Lovel Birth: Abt 1341 Death: 12 Jul 1361
  4. Sir John LOVEL, K.G., Lord Lovel and Holand Birth: Abt 1342 Death: 10 Sep 1408 in Wardour, Wiltshire

Bibliography
  1. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 08, Lindley-Moate. London: St Catherine Press, 1932. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP VIII [Ap][p0-9].*].
  2. Richardson, Douglas, Isabella le Zouche m John Lovel of Titchmarsh. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 6/9/2006. Subject: Re: Stirnet Correction - Isabella le Zouche m John Lovel of Titchmarsh (d 1347). Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/knZX2MdFTq4/m/tyw8ukoa6xcJ. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 6/9/2006-142535].
  3. Richardson, Douglas, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Baltimore, MD: Genelogical Publishing Co, 2004. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson PA p[0-9]*].
  4. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
  5. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p[0-9]*].
  6. Marshall, Bill, Things that I know as compiler of this file, but don't have a written source. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: WTM.*].
  7. Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
brother:
William ZOUCHE, Lord Zouche [Ref: CP VIII p218],
note:
but that makes her first cousin to her husband, not likely [Ref: WTM]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: CP VIII p218, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p628, Weis AR7 #215]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir John LOVEL, Lord Lovel
date:
before 1340 [Ref: CP VIII p218, Weis AR7 #215]
in or before 1340 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p628],
names:
[Ref: Richardson PA p172, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p36],
child:
[Ref: CP VIII p219, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p628, Weis AR7 #215]
Research Notes:
The identity of Isabel, wife of Sir John Lovel (died 1347), de jure 3rd Lord Lovel of Titchmarsh, is presently uncertain. Complete Peerage, 8 (1932): 218 (sub Lovel) says Isabel is "said to be sister of William Zouche [Lord Zouche, of Harringworth"], but adds in a footnote "there is no authority for her parentage." Actually, this is only partly correct, as printed secondary sources identify Isabel as either "daughter" OR "sister" of William la Zouche, Lord Zouche of Harringworth.
With specific regard to Complete Peerage's statement that Isabel was possibly the sister of William la Zouche, Lord Zouche, this allegation seems to be entirely without foundation insofar as William, 1st Lord Zouche, is concerned. William, 1st Lord Zouche, had three known Zouche sisters, all of whom are well documented in the records, and all of whom were born well over twenty years before the likely birth of Isabel Lovel. Thus, it is entirely impossible for Isabel Lovel to be William, 1st Lord Zouche's sister. On the other hand, it is possible that Isabel Lovel was the sister of William la Zouche, 2nd Lord Zouche (died 1382), but this arrangement would make Isabel and her husband, Sir John Lovel, related in the 2nd and 3rd degrees of kindred, which is considered too closely related for this marriage to have been permitted.
As for the possibility that Isabel Lovel was the daughter of William, Lord Zouche, it it true that William la Zouche, 1st Lord Zouche of Harringworth, had a daughter named Isabel, living 1326 (see C.P. 12(2) (1959): 940, footnote i). But this Isabel la Zouche would have been a 1st cousin to Sir John Lovel, which again presumably makes them too closely related for them to have intermarried. Further, the 1563 Visitation of Norfolk alleges that a "daughter of the Lord Zouche" married Oliver Ingham, Lord Ingham (see Harvey et al. Vis. of Norfolk 1563 & 1613 (H.S.P. 32) (1891): 65). If Oliver Ingham's wife was Lord Zouche's daughter, Isabel, it obviously would provide an alternative history for Isabel la Zouche, precluding her marriage to John Lovel.
If Isabel Lovel was not a Zouche, it is possible she was a Harcourt. In the course of my research, I've learned that Isabel's grandson, Ralph Lovel, was appointed rector of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, a Harcourt family property, in 1405. Chronologically Isabel Lovel would fit to be a daughter of John de Harcourt (died 1330), by his 1st wife, Eleanor la Zouche. This parentage would make Isabel a niece to William, 1st Lord Zouche, and remove the consanguinity issue between her and John Lovel. This arrangement of the Lovel-Zouche family makes a lot of sense, but to date I've found no direct evidence to support this theory.
For what it is worth, this is what the printed literature has to say about the parentage of Isabel, wife of Sir John Lovel, in order of date of publication:
1. Bridges, Hist. & Antiqs. of Northamptonshire 2 (1791): 381-386 (parentage of wife Isabel not given).
2. Brydges, Collins' Peerage of England 7 (1812): 319-395 (wife Isabel identified as "daughter of William, Lord Zouch of Harringworth").
3. Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited & Extinct Peerages (1883): 332-334 (sub Lovel) (wife Isabel identified as "sister of William, Lord Zouche, of Harringworth").
4. Lyte, Hist. Notes of Some Somerset Manors (Somerset Rec. Soc. Extra Ser. 1) (1931): 395-398 (parentage of wife Isabel not given).
5. C.P., 8 (1932): 218 (sub Lovel) (wife Isabel "said to be sister of William Zouche [Lord Zouche, of Harringworth"].
6. Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 337: 6 (sub Lovel) (wife Isabel, identified as daughter of William la Zouche, Lord Zouche of Harringworth).
In summary, this matter deserves further study. [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 6/9/2006-142535]

said to be a Zouche [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p628]

Printed secondary sources claim that Isabel was either "daughter" or "sister" of William la Zouche, 1st Lord Zouche of Harringworth (died 1352). While Lord Zouche had a daughter named Isabel, she would have been a 2nd cousin to John Lovel, presumably too closely related for them to intermarry [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p628(33)]

If Isabel was not a Zouche, the possibility exists that she was a Harcourt, as her grandson, Ralph Lovel, was appointed Rector of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, a Harcourt family property in 1405. Chronologically Isabel would fit to be a daughter of John de Harcourt (died 1330) by his first wife Eleanor la Zouche. This parentage would make Isabel a niece to William, Lord Zouche, and remove the consanguinity issue between her and John Lovel. The matter deserves further study. [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p628(33)]



Pedigree of Isabel
                                                                /-----Josselin Vicount Of Porhoet And Rennes
                                                       /-----Eudon I Vicount Of Porhoet And Rennes
                                              /-----Geoffrey Vicomte De Porhoet
                                             |         \-----Anne De Leon
                                     /-----Alan CEOCHE
                                    |        |                  /-----Hoel Count Of Cornouille
                                    |        |         /-----Alan IV Fergent Duke Of Brittany
                                    |        |        |         \-----Hawise Of Brittany
                                    |         \-----Hawise Of Brittany
                                    |                 |         /-----Fulk IV Rechin Count Of Anjou
                                    |                  \-----Ermengard Of Anjou
                                    |                           \-----Hildegarde De BAUGENCY
                            /-----Roger La ZOUCHE
                           |        |                           /-----(Unk) De BELMEIS
                           |        |                  /-----Walter De BELMEIS
                           |        |         /-----Philip De BELMEIS
                           |         \-----Alice De Belmeis
                           |                 |                  /-----Ranulph II De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
                           |                 |         /-----William De MESCHINES, Baron Of Egremont
                           |                 |        |         \-----Margaret Le Goz
                           |                  \-----Maud De MESCHINES
                           |                          |         /-----Robert De RUMILLY, Baron Of Skipton
                           |                           \-----Cecily De ROMILLY
                   /-----Eudo La ZOUCHE
                  |        |                                    /-----Henry BISA
                  |        |                           /-----William BISET
                  |        |                          |         \-----Bertha
                  |        |                  /-----Manasser BISET
                  |        |                 |         \-----Hawise
                  |        |         /-----Henry BISET
                  |        |        |        |         /-----(Unk) De CANY
                  |        |        |         \-----Alice De Cany
                  |         \-----Margaret BISET
                  |                 |                           /-----John FITZRICHARD
                  |                 |                  /-----Eustace Fitz John De BURGO, Constable Of Chester
                  |                 |         /-----Richard FITZ EUSTACE, Constable Of Chester
                  |                 |        |        |         /-----William FITZ NIGEL, Constable Of Chester
                  |                 |        |         \-----Agnes De HALTON
                  |                 |        |                  \-----Adeliz Of Widness
                  |                  \-----Aubrey FITZ EUSTACE
                  |                          |                  /-----Fulk De LISOURS
                  |                          |         /-----Robert LIZOURS
                  |                          |        |         \-----Aubrey
                  |                           \-----Albreada LIZOURS, Baroness Of Pontfract
                  |                                   |         /-----Robert De LACY, Baron Of Pontefract
                  |                                    \-----Aubrey De LACY
                  |                                             \-----Maud
          /-----William La ZOUCHE, Lord Zouche
         |        |                                             /-----William De CANTELU
         |        |                                    /-----Walter De CANTELOU
         |        |                           /-----Sir William De CANTELOU, Baron Of Eaton Bray
         |        |                          |         \-----Amice
         |        |                  /-----Sir William De CANTELOU, Baron Of Eaton Bray
         |        |                 |        |                  /-----Audulf De BRACI
         |        |                 |        |         /-----Audulf De BRACI
         |        |                 |         \-----Mesceline De BRACI
         |        |         /-----William De CANTELOU, Lord Abergavenny
         |        |        |        |                           /-----Hugh De GOURNAY
         |        |        |        |                  /-----Hugh De GOURNAY
         |        |        |        |                 |         \-----Beatrice Of Vermandois
         |        |        |        |         /-----Hugh De GOURNAY
         |        |        |        |        |        |         /-----Thomas De COUCY, Count Of Anvers
         |        |        |        |        |         \-----Melisende De COUCY
         |        |        |        |        |                  \-----Melisende De CRECY En LAONNOIS
         |        |        |         \-----Millicent De GOURNAY
         |        |        |                 |                  /-----Alberic I De DAMMARTIN
         |        |        |                 |         /-----Alberic II De DAMMARTIN, Count Of Dammartin
         |        |        |                 |        |         \-----(Unk)
         |        |        |                  \-----Julia De DAMMARTIN
         |        |        |                          |         /-----Renaud Count Of Clermont
         |        |        |                           \-----Maud Of Clermont
         |        |        |                                    \-----Clemence Of Bar-Le-Duc
         |         \-----Milicent De CANTELOU
         |                 |                                    /-----William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
         |                 |                           /-----William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
         |                 |                          |         \-----Bertha Of Hereford
         |                 |                  /-----Reginald De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
         |                 |                 |        |         /-----Bernard De St VALERY, Baron Of Beckley
         |                 |                 |         \-----Matilda De ST VALERIE De HAIA
         |                 |                 |                  \-----Matilda
         |                 |         /-----William De BRAIOSE, Baron Of Brecknock Castle
         |                 |        |        |                  /-----Thomas De BRIWERE
         |                 |        |        |         /-----Sir William De BRIWERE, Baron Of Horsley
         |                 |        |        |        |         \-----(Unk) De ALBEMARLE
         |                 |        |         \-----Gracia De BRIWERE
         |                 |        |                 |         /-----Hubert De VAUX, Baron Of Irthington
         |                 |        |                  \-----Beatrice De VALLE
         |                 |        |                           \-----Grecia
         |                  \-----Eva De BRAIOSE, Baroness Abergavenny
         |                          |                           /-----Gilbert GIFFARD, Marshal
         |                          |                  /-----John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
         |                          |                 |         \-----(Unk dau) De VENOIZ
         |                          |         /-----Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke
         |                          |        |        |         /-----Walter De SALISBURY, Baron Of Chitterne
         |                          |        |         \-----Sibyl De SALISBURY
         |                          |        |                  \-----Sibyl De CHAWORTH
         |                           \-----Eve MARSHALL
         |                                   |                  /-----Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
         |                                   |         /-----Richard "Strongbow" De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
         |                                   |        |         \-----Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
         |                                    \-----Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke
         |                                            |         /-----Dairmait Mac MURCHAD, King Of Leinster
         |                                             \-----Aoife Macmurchada Of Leinster
         |                                                      \-----Mor Ua TUATHAIL
 /-----Eudo La ZOUCHE
|        |                                                      /-----Ancelin GOEL
|        |                                             /-----William LOVEL, Lord Of Ivry And Brival
|        |                                            |         \-----Isabel De BETREUIL
|        |                                    /-----William De IVRY
|        |                                   |        |         /-----Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
|        |                                   |         \-----Maud De BEAUMONT
|        |                                   |                  \-----Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
|        |                           /-----Sir John LOVEL
|        |                          |         \-----Isabel
|        |                  /-----John LOVEL
|        |                 |        |                           /-----Gilbert BASSET
|        |                 |        |                  /-----Thomas BASSET
|        |                 |        |                 |         \-----Edith
|        |                 |        |         /-----Sir Alan BASSET
|        |                 |        |        |        |         /-----Alan De DUNSTANVILLE
|        |                 |        |        |         \-----Adeliza De DUNSTANVILLE
|        |                 |         \-----Katherine BASSET
|        |                 |                 |                  /-----Stephen De GAI
|        |                 |                 |         /-----Phillip De GAI
|        |                 |                 |        |         \-----Aline PIPARD
|        |                 |                  \-----Aline De GAI
|        |                 |                           \-----Sedzilia
|        |         /-----Sir John LOVEL, Lord Lovel Of Titchmarsh
|        |        |        |         /-----Sir William De SYDENHAM
|        |        |         \-----Maud De SYDENHAM
|         \-----Maud LOVEL
|                 |                                    /-----Ernald De BOSCO
|                 |                           /-----Ernald De BOSCO
|                 |                          |         \-----Emma
|                 |                  /-----Ernald De BOSCO
|                 |         /-----Ernald De BOSCO
|                 |        |        |                           /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
|                 |        |        |                  /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
|                 |        |        |                 |         \-----Bertha BRAOS
|                 |        |        |         /-----Andrew BEAUCHAMP
|                 |        |        |        |        |         /-----Sir Thomas De St VALERIE
|                 |        |        |        |         \-----Joan De St VALERIE
|                 |        |         \-----Joan BEAUCHAMP
|                 |        |                 |                  /-----Anchitel De GREY
|                 |        |                 |         /-----John De GRAYE
|                 |        |                  \-----Eva De GREY
|                  \-----Isabel De BOSCO
|                          |         /-----Henry De TUBNEY
|                           \-----Alice De TUBNEY
Isabel
|         /-----William INGE
 \-----Joan INGE
         |         /-----Henry GRAPINEL
          \-----Margaret GRAPINEL



Descendants of Isabel
1. Isabel m. Sir John LOVEL, Lord Lovel
m. Sir John LOVEL, Lord Lovel father: John LOVEL, Lord Lovel mother: Maud BURNELL

2nd generation

5. Sir John LOVEL, K.G., Lord Lovel and Holand m. Maud De HOLAND, Baroness Holand
m. Maud De HOLAND, Baroness Holand father: Robert De HOLAND mother: Alice De LISLE

3rd generation

6. Sir John LOVEL, Lord Lovel Of Titchmarsh m. Alianore ZOUCHE
m. Alianore ZOUCHE father: William La ZOUCHE, Lord Zouche mother: Agnes GREEN
7. Robert LOVELL m. Elizabeth BRYENE
m. Elizabeth BRYENE father: Sir Guy De BRYAN mother: Alice De BURES
11. Philippe LOVELL m1. Sir John De DINHAM, Lord Dinham m2. Nicholas BROUGHTON
m. Sir John De DINHAM, Lord Dinham father: Sir John De DINHAM, Lord Dinham mother: Muriel De COURTENAY
m. Nicholas BROUGHTON

4th generation

13. Sir William LOVEL, Lord Lovel And Holand m. Alice DEINCOURT, Baroness Deincourt
m. Alice DEINCOURT, Baroness Deincourt father: Sir John DEINCOURT, Lord Deincourt mother: Joan GREY, Baroness Grey
14. Maud LOVELL m1. Sir Richard STAFFORD m2. John ARUNDEL, K.G., Earl of Arundel
m. Sir Richard STAFFORD father: Sir Humphrey STAFFORD mother: Elizabeth MAUTRAVERS
m. John ARUNDEL, K.G., Earl of Arundel father: John ARUNDEL, Earl of Arundel mother: Eleanor De BERKELEY
17. Sir John DYNHAM, Lord Dynham m. Joan De ARCHES
m. Joan De ARCHES father: Sir Richard De ARCHES mother: Lucy

5th generation

18. Alice LOVEL m1. Sir Hugh COKESEY m2. Sir Andrew OGARD
m. Sir Hugh COKESEY father: Walter COKESEY mother: Maud HARCOURT
m. Sir Andrew OGARD father: Peder NIELSON
19. John LOVEL, Lord Lovel And Holand m. Joan BEAUMONT
m. Joan BEAUMONT father: Sir John BEAUMONT, K.G., Viscount Beaumont mother: Elizabeth PHELIP
20. William LOVEL, Lord Morley m. Eleanor MORLEY, Baroness Morley
m. Eleanor MORLEY, Baroness Morley father: Robert MORLEY, Lord Morley mother: Elizabeth ROOS
25. Sir John DYNHAM, K.G., Lord Dinham m1. m2. Elizabeth FITZWALTER, Baroness FitzWalter m3. Elizabeth WILLOUGHBY
m. Elizabeth FITZWALTER, Baroness FitzWalter father: Sir Walter FITZWALTER, Lord FitzWalter mother: Elizabeth CHIDIOK
m. Elizabeth WILLOUGHBY father: Robert WILLOUGHBY, K.G., Lord Latimer, Lord Wi mother: Blanche CHAMPERNOUN
26. Margaret DINHAM m. Sir Nicholas CAREW
m. Sir Nicholas CAREW father: Thomas CAREW mother: Joan CARMINOW
27. Elizabeth DINHAM m1. Fulke BOURCHIER, Lord FitzWarin m2. Sir John SAPCOTES m3. Sir Thomas BRANDON, K.G.
m. Fulke BOURCHIER, Lord FitzWarin father: Sir William BOURCHIER, Lord FitzWarin mother: Thomasine HANKFORD
m. Sir John SAPCOTES father: John SAPCOTES
m. Sir Thomas BRANDON, K.G. father: Sir William BRANDON mother: Elizabeth WINGFIELD
28. Joan DINHAM m. John La ZOUCHE, Lord Zouche Of Haryngworth
m. John La ZOUCHE, Lord Zouche Of Haryngworth father: William La ZOUCHE, Lord Zouche mother: Katharine LENTHALL
29. Katherine DYNHAM m. Sir Thomas ARUNDEL
m. Sir Thomas ARUNDEL father: Sir John ARUNDEL mother: Katherine CHIDIOK