Person Info
- Name: Isabel
- Sex: F
- Death: 2 Jul 1349 d
Parents:
- Father:
- Eudo La ZOUCHE
Birth: Abt 1297
Death: 24 Apr 1326 in Paris, France
Mother:
- Joan INGE
Birth: Abt 1300
Death: Before Jan 1359/60
Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Isabel LOVEL
- Elizabeth LOVEL
- John LOVEL, Lord Lovel Birth: Abt 1341
Death: 12 Jul 1361
- Sir John LOVEL, K.G., Lord Lovel and Holand Birth: Abt 1342
Death: 10 Sep 1408 in Wardour, Wiltshire
Bibliography
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 08, Lindley-Moate. London: St Catherine Press, 1932. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP VIII [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Isabella le Zouche m John Lovel of Titchmarsh. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 6/9/2006. Subject: Re: Stirnet Correction - Isabella le Zouche m John Lovel of Titchmarsh (d 1347). Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/knZX2MdFTq4/m/tyw8ukoa6xcJ. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 6/9/2006-142535].
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Richardson, Douglas, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Baltimore, MD: Genelogical Publishing Co, 2004. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson PA p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p[0-9]*].
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Marshall, Bill, Things that I know as compiler of this file, but don't have a written source. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: WTM.*].
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Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].
Sources for birth and parent Information
- brother:
- William ZOUCHE, Lord Zouche [Ref: CP VIII p218],
- note:
- but that makes her first cousin to her husband, not likely [Ref: WTM]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- [Ref: CP VIII p218, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p628, Weis AR7 #215]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir John LOVEL, Lord Lovel
- date:
- before 1340 [Ref: CP VIII p218, Weis AR7 #215]
- in or before 1340 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p628],
- names:
- [Ref: Richardson PA p172, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p36],
- child:
- [Ref: CP VIII p219, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p628, Weis AR7 #215]
Research Notes:
The identity of Isabel, wife of Sir John Lovel (died 1347), de jure 3rd Lord
Lovel of Titchmarsh, is presently uncertain. Complete Peerage, 8 (1932): 218
(sub Lovel) says Isabel is "said to be sister of William Zouche [Lord Zouche,
of Harringworth"], but adds in a footnote "there is no authority for her
parentage." Actually, this is only partly correct, as printed secondary
sources identify Isabel as either "daughter" OR "sister" of William la Zouche,
Lord Zouche of Harringworth.
With specific regard to Complete Peerage's statement that Isabel was
possibly the sister of William la Zouche, Lord Zouche, this allegation seems
to be entirely without foundation insofar as William, 1st Lord Zouche, is
concerned. William, 1st Lord Zouche, had three known Zouche sisters, all of
whom are well documented in the records, and all of whom were born well over
twenty years before the likely birth of Isabel Lovel. Thus, it is entirely
impossible for Isabel Lovel to be William, 1st Lord Zouche's sister. On the
other hand, it is possible that Isabel Lovel was the sister of William la
Zouche, 2nd Lord Zouche (died 1382), but this arrangement would make Isabel
and her husband, Sir John Lovel, related in the 2nd and 3rd degrees of
kindred, which is considered too closely related for this marriage to have
been permitted.
As for the possibility that Isabel Lovel was the daughter of William, Lord
Zouche, it it true that William la Zouche, 1st Lord Zouche of Harringworth,
had a daughter named Isabel, living 1326 (see C.P. 12(2) (1959): 940, footnote
i). But this Isabel la Zouche would have been a 1st cousin to Sir John Lovel,
which again presumably makes them too closely related for them to have
intermarried. Further, the 1563 Visitation of Norfolk alleges that a "daughter
of the Lord Zouche" married Oliver Ingham, Lord Ingham (see Harvey et al. Vis.
of Norfolk 1563 & 1613 (H.S.P. 32) (1891): 65). If Oliver Ingham's wife was
Lord Zouche's daughter, Isabel, it obviously would provide an alternative
history for Isabel la Zouche, precluding her marriage to John Lovel.
If Isabel Lovel was not a Zouche, it is possible she was a Harcourt. In the
course of my research, I've learned that Isabel's grandson, Ralph Lovel, was
appointed rector of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, a Harcourt family property,
in 1405. Chronologically Isabel Lovel would fit to be a daughter of John de
Harcourt (died 1330), by his 1st wife, Eleanor la Zouche. This parentage would
make Isabel a niece to William, 1st Lord Zouche, and remove the consanguinity
issue between her and John Lovel. This arrangement of the Lovel-Zouche family
makes a lot of sense, but to date I've found no direct evidence to support
this theory.
For what it is worth, this is what the printed literature has to say about
the parentage of Isabel, wife of Sir John Lovel, in order of date of
publication:
1. Bridges, Hist. & Antiqs. of Northamptonshire 2 (1791): 381-386
(parentage of wife Isabel not given).
2. Brydges, Collins' Peerage of England 7 (1812): 319-395 (wife Isabel
identified as "daughter of William, Lord Zouch of Harringworth").
3. Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited & Extinct Peerages (1883): 332-334
(sub Lovel) (wife Isabel identified as "sister of William, Lord Zouche, of
Harringworth").
4. Lyte, Hist. Notes of Some Somerset Manors (Somerset Rec. Soc. Extra Ser.
1) (1931): 395-398 (parentage of wife Isabel not given).
5. C.P., 8 (1932): 218 (sub Lovel) (wife Isabel "said to be sister of
William Zouche [Lord Zouche, of Harringworth"].
6. Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 337: 6 (sub Lovel) (wife Isabel,
identified as daughter of William la Zouche, Lord Zouche of Harringworth).
In summary, this matter deserves further study. [Ref: Douglas Richardson
SGM 6/9/2006-142535]
said to be a Zouche [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p628]
Printed secondary sources claim that Isabel was either "daughter" or "sister"
of William la Zouche, 1st Lord Zouche of Harringworth (died 1352). While Lord
Zouche had a daughter named Isabel, she would have been a 2nd cousin to John
Lovel, presumably too closely related for them to intermarry [Ref: Richardson
RoyalAnc v3p628(33)]
If Isabel was not a Zouche, the possibility exists that she was a Harcourt, as
her grandson, Ralph Lovel, was appointed Rector of Stanton Harcourt,
Oxfordshire, a Harcourt family property in 1405. Chronologically Isabel would
fit to be a daughter of John de Harcourt (died 1330) by his first wife Eleanor
la Zouche. This parentage would make Isabel a niece to William, Lord Zouche,
and remove the consanguinity issue between her and John Lovel. The matter
deserves further study. [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p628(33)]
Pedigree of Isabel
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Josselin Vicount Of Porhoet And Rennes
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Eudon I Vicount Of Porhoet And Rennes
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Geoffrey Vicomte De Porhoet
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Anne De Leon
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Alan CEOCHE
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Hoel Count Of Cornouille
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Alan IV Fergent Duke Of Brittany
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Hawise Of Brittany
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Hawise Of Brittany
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Fulk IV Rechin Count Of Anjou
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Ermengard Of Anjou
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Hildegarde De BAUGENCY
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Roger La ZOUCHE
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(Unk) De BELMEIS
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Walter De BELMEIS
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Philip De BELMEIS
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Alice De Belmeis
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Ranulph II De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
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William De MESCHINES, Baron Of Egremont
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Margaret Le Goz
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Maud De MESCHINES
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Robert De RUMILLY, Baron Of Skipton
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Cecily De ROMILLY
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Eudo La ZOUCHE
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Henry BISA
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William BISET
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Bertha
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Manasser BISET
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Hawise
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Henry BISET
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(Unk) De CANY
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Alice De Cany
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Margaret BISET
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John FITZRICHARD
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Eustace Fitz John De BURGO, Constable Of Chester
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Richard FITZ EUSTACE, Constable Of Chester
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William FITZ NIGEL, Constable Of Chester
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Agnes De HALTON
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Adeliz Of Widness
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Aubrey FITZ EUSTACE
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Fulk De LISOURS
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Robert LIZOURS
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Aubrey
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Albreada LIZOURS, Baroness Of Pontfract
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Robert De LACY, Baron Of Pontefract
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Aubrey De LACY
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Maud
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William La ZOUCHE, Lord Zouche
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William De CANTELU
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Walter De CANTELOU
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Sir William De CANTELOU, Baron Of Eaton Bray
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Amice
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Sir William De CANTELOU, Baron Of Eaton Bray
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Audulf De BRACI
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Audulf De BRACI
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Mesceline De BRACI
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William De CANTELOU, Lord Abergavenny
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Hugh De GOURNAY
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Hugh De GOURNAY
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Beatrice Of Vermandois
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Hugh De GOURNAY
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Thomas De COUCY, Count Of Anvers
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Melisende De COUCY
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Melisende De CRECY En LAONNOIS
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Millicent De GOURNAY
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Alberic I De DAMMARTIN
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Alberic II De DAMMARTIN, Count Of Dammartin
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Julia De DAMMARTIN
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Renaud Count Of Clermont
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Maud Of Clermont
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Clemence Of Bar-Le-Duc
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Milicent De CANTELOU
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Bertha Of Hereford
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Reginald De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Bernard De St VALERY, Baron Of Beckley
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Matilda De ST VALERIE De HAIA
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Matilda
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William De BRAIOSE, Baron Of Brecknock Castle
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Thomas De BRIWERE
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Sir William De BRIWERE, Baron Of Horsley
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(Unk) De ALBEMARLE
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Gracia De BRIWERE
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Hubert De VAUX, Baron Of Irthington
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Beatrice De VALLE
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Grecia
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Eva De BRAIOSE, Baroness Abergavenny
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Gilbert GIFFARD, Marshal
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John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
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(Unk dau) De VENOIZ
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Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke
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Walter De SALISBURY, Baron Of Chitterne
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Sibyl De SALISBURY
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Sibyl De CHAWORTH
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Eve MARSHALL
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Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
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Richard "Strongbow" De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
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Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
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Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke
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Dairmait Mac MURCHAD, King Of Leinster
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Aoife Macmurchada Of Leinster
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Mor Ua TUATHAIL
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Eudo La ZOUCHE
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Ancelin GOEL
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William LOVEL, Lord Of Ivry And Brival
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Isabel De BETREUIL
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William De IVRY
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Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Maud De BEAUMONT
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Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
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Sir John LOVEL
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Isabel
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John LOVEL
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Gilbert BASSET
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Thomas BASSET
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Edith
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Sir Alan BASSET
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Alan De DUNSTANVILLE
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Adeliza De DUNSTANVILLE
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Katherine BASSET
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Stephen De GAI
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Phillip De GAI
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Aline PIPARD
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Aline De GAI
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Sedzilia
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Sir John LOVEL, Lord Lovel Of Titchmarsh
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Sir William De SYDENHAM
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Maud De SYDENHAM
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Maud LOVEL
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Ernald De BOSCO
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Ernald De BOSCO
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Emma
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Ernald De BOSCO
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Ernald De BOSCO
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William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
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William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
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Bertha BRAOS
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Andrew BEAUCHAMP
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Sir Thomas De St VALERIE
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Joan De St VALERIE
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Joan BEAUCHAMP
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Anchitel De GREY
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John De GRAYE
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Eva De GREY
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Isabel De BOSCO
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Henry De TUBNEY
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Alice De TUBNEY
Isabel
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William INGE
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Joan INGE
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Henry GRAPINEL
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Margaret GRAPINEL
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