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Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Isabel LINGEN Death: 6 Dec 1446
  2. Ralph LINGEN

Bibliography
  1. Hansen, Charles M, Barons of Wodhull with observations on the ancestry of George Elkington, emigrant to New Jersey, The Genealogist 7-8,1 (1986), pp4-127. NYPL APA 82-1000. Available at https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/genealogist-the/image/. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Hansen Wodhull p[0-9]*].
  2. Davis, Paul, Lingen/Lyngane - Cheyne line [14th c.] from TG [1986-7]. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 3/10/2002. Subject: Lingen/Lyngane - Cheyne line [14th c.] from TG [1986-7]. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/OwZ_pDq9tr0/m/KVYZta7VVbMJ. Author address: paulkdavis at earthlink dot net. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Paul Davis SGM 3/10/2002-122831].
  3. Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
parents:
[Ref: Paul Davis SGM 3/10/2002-122831]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
parents:
not Fulk de PEMBRUGGE & Matilda [Ref: Weis AR7 #56]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir Ralph LINGEN
names:
[Ref: Weis AR7 #56],
child:
[Ref: Hansen Wodhull p65, Paul Davis SGM 3/10/2002-122831]
Research Notes:
Arthur Adams identified Margaria, wife of Sir Ralph Lingen and mother of Isabel, as Margery Pembridge, daughter of Fulk de Pembridge. While Adams gives a number of sources for the Lingen-Pembrugge marriage, they are all ultimately derived from a book and article by J. B. Blakeway; apparently this came from a mis-reading of a chart in the 1798-1801 edition of Shaw's history of co Stafford -- the parents of Isabella, Ralph Lyngane and Margeria, are shown under a horizontal line connecting Fulk and Robert de Penbrugge to their parents, without any veritical line connecting Margeria to this family [Ref: Hansen Wodhull p66]

mother of Isabel Lingen was not a Pembrugge [Ref: Weis AR7 #56]

A quick glance at AR would lead one to concluded that it is still accepted that Sir Ralph Lingen, M.P. 1374, 1382, married a Margery de Pembrugge, daughter of Fulke de Pembrugge and Matilda, but that the Isabel Lingen who married three times, including to Sir John Ludlow, was not their daughter.
Actually, there is no reason to believe a Margery de Pembrugge ever existed. The Ralph Lingen in question married a Margery Cheyne, and they were the parents of the Isabel Lingen in question.
The relevant text in the article by Hansen appears on pages 65 - 68, and the footnotes for this text are on pages 119 - 122.
The history of our knowledge of this line appears to be as follows. It has been known all along that the wife of this Sir Ralph Lingen was named Margeria. A published chart, for compactness, had her listed below a Pembrugge family. A misreading of this chart led to the conclusion she was a member of this family. Hansen found that she could not be a member of the Pembrugge family. The journal editor, upon seeing his article, found evidence what family she really belonged to.
Portions of Hansen's footnote 694 on pages 121-2 are worth quoting: "the Editor called my attention to an entry in Wrottesley, Pedigrees, note 632, 13:34 (1897). This reference, citing De Banco, Mich. 3 Richard II [1379], Shropshire, records that Ralph Lyngeyn, Kt., and Marjory, his wife, and Laurence Hauberk and Margaret, his wife, sued Richard, Earl of Arundel for the manor of Bukenhulle. The annexed pedigree shows Roger de Cheyne, living 2 Edward III [1328/9], husband of Margery, by whom he was father of Roger, who married Isolda, by whom he was father of Marjory, wife of Ralph Lyngeyn, Kt., and of Margaret, wife of Laurence Hauberk. As Ralph Lyngane, named as M.P. of co. Hereford in 1373, was son of John, and as the wife of his son Ralph is known to be Jane, daughter of John Russell, Morris, note 612, 4:319, it is clear that Marjory, daughter of Roger and Isolda de Cheyne, is the same person as Margeria wife of Ralph Lyngane and mother of Isabel."
It would appear that all references to "Marjory de Pembrugge" as the mother of children of Ralph Lingen should be reinterpreted as referring to Marjory de Cheyne. [Ref: Paul Davis SGM 3/10/2002-122831]



Pedigree of Margery De CHEYNE
          /-----Roger De CHEYNE
 /-----Roger De CHEYNE
|         \-----Margery
Margery De CHEYNE
 \-----Isolda



Descendants of Margery De CHEYNE
1. Margery De CHEYNE m. Sir Ralph LINGEN
m. Sir Ralph LINGEN father: John LINGEN

2nd generation

2. Isabel LINGEN m1. Sir John LUDLOW m2. Sir Thomas De PETYVINE m3. Sir Fulk De PEMBRUGGE
m. Sir John LUDLOW
m. Sir Thomas De PETYVINE
m. Sir Fulk De PEMBRUGGE father: Sir Robert De PEMBRUGGE mother: Juliana ZOUCHE

3rd generation

4. Margery LUDLOW m. Sir William TRUSSELL, Lord Of Elmesthorpe
m. Sir William TRUSSELL, Lord Of Elmesthorpe father: Sir Lawrence TRUSSELL mother: Maud CHARNELLS
5. Benedicta LUDLOW m. Sir Richard VERNON
m. Sir Richard VERNON father: Sir Richard VERNON mother: Johanna Ferch Rhys Ap Gruffudd

4th generation

7. Isabel TRUSSELL m1. Thomas WODHULL m2. John HOTON
m. Thomas WODHULL father: Sir Thomas WODHULL mother: Elizabeth CHETWOOD
m. John HOTON
8. Joan TRUSSEL m. Eustace WHITNEY
m. Eustace WHITNEY father: Sir Robert WHITNEY mother: Angharad Ferch Madog
9. Sir Thomas TRUSSELL m. Elizabeth BURLEY
m. Elizabeth BURLEY father: William BURLEY mother: Ellen GRENDON
11. Sir William VERNON m. Margaret SWINFEN
m. Margaret SWINFEN father: William SWINFEN mother: Joyce SPERNOR Alias DURVASSAL
16. Isabella VERNON m1. Nicholas MONTGOMERY m2. Nicholas AGARD
m. Nicholas MONTGOMERY father: Sir Nicholas MONTGOMERY mother: Joan De LONGFORD
m. Nicholas AGARD
17. Elizabeth VERNON m1. John VAMPAGE m2. Sir John STANLEY
m. John VAMPAGE
m. Sir John STANLEY father: Thomas STANLEY mother: Maud ARDERNE
18. Agnes VERNON m. John COKAYNE
m. John COKAYNE father: Sir John COKAYNE mother: Isabel SHIRLEY

5th generation

22. John WODHULL m. Joan ETWELL
m. Joan ETWELL father: Henry ETWELL mother: Mary
25. Robert WHITNEY m1. Constance TUCHET m2. Elizabeth VAUGHAN
m. Constance TUCHET father: James TUCHET, Lord Audley mother: Eleanor HOLLAND
m. Elizabeth VAUGHAN father: Thomas VAUGHAN mother: Ellen GETHIN
28. Sir William TRUSSELL m. Margaret KENE
m. Margaret KENE father: William KENE mother: Anne CHICHELE
36. Sir Henry VERNON m. Anne TALBOT
m. Anne TALBOT father: Sir John TALBOT, K.G., Earl Of Shrewsbury mother: Elizabeth BUTLER
37. Elizabeth MONTGOMERY m. Thomas MEVERELL
m. Thomas MEVERELL
38. Sir Nicholas MONTGOMERY m. Joan DELVES
m. Joan DELVES father: Sir John DELVES mother: Elena EGERTON
45. Thomas COKAYNE m. Agnes BARLOW
m. Agnes BARLOW father: Robert BARLOW mother: Margaret DELVES