Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Elizabeth BEKE Death: Abt 1373
- Margaret BEKE
Bibliography
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Richardson, Douglas, Sir Robert de Swinnerton and his two wives, Elizabeth de Beek and Joan Hameldene. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 1/29/2021. Subject: C.P. Addition: Sir Robert de Swinnerton, 4th Lord Swinnerton, and his two wives, Elizabeth de Beek and Joan Hameldene. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/C-ti9EQ5fIM/m/Lfqk-FOeAAAJ. Author address: celticprince at gmail dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 1/29/2021-145905].
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Jacobus, Donald Lines, Ancestry of Obadiah and Mary Bruen, TAG v26 (1950) p12-25. Available at http://americanancestors.org/databases/american-genealogist-the/image/. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Jacobus BRUEN p[0-9]*].
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Ravilious, John, Richard de Draycott. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 5/19/2004. Subject: Sir Richard de Draycott (d. ca. 1268) and the identity of 'Lady Orabilie'. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/lHIFzCQs7co/m/_QiaeSgwLDQJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 5/19/2004-230321].
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Sutton, Peter, Sir Nicholas de Beek. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 1/24/2001. Subject: Mother of Margaret Stafford. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/piFNEZWfNGQ/m/iFf6dcWQz_AJ. Author address: p dot sutton at ntlworld dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Peter Sutton SGM 1/24/2001-154338].
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Sutton, Peter, Joan wife of Nicholas BEK. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 11/27/2005. Subject: Re: King's Kinsfolk: Richard II's kinsman, Edmund Stafford. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/55bfneEtF68/m/thqJSM3Ib7QJ. Author address: p dot sutton at ntlworld dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Peter Sutton SGM 11/27/2005-094948].
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Sutton, Peter, Sir Nicholas de Bek. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 7/20/2000. Subject: de Clare, de Stafford, de Audley, Beke, Swynnerton ekkkkkk!. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/I1QPG1kE7C0/m/ZZBi932XuUMJ. Author address: p dot sutton at ntlworld dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Peter Sutton SGM 7/20/2000-202643].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p[0-9]*].
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Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].
Sources for birth and parent Information
- parents:
- [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p9, Weis AR7 #32],
- father:
- [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 1/29/2021-145905, Richardson RoyalAnc
v4p555]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- after 1348 [Ref: Peter Sutton SGM 1/24/2001-154338, Peter Sutton SGM
7/20/2000-202643]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir Nicholas BEKE
- names:
- [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 5/19/2004-230321, Peter Sutton SGM
1/24/2001-154338, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p10],
- child:
- [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 1/29/2021-145905, Jacobus BRUEN p21, Peter
Sutton SGM 7/20/2000-202643, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p555, Weis AR7 #32]
Research Notes:
sometimes shown to have married Joan de STAFFORD (e.g. Weis AR7 #32,
vonRedlich p120-128) but that is definitely wrong [Ref: Jacobus BRUEN p23]
Josiah C. Wedgewood in HCS Volume: 1917-8 Parliamentary History Volume:1 says-
"Sir Nicholas de Beek of Tean, MP Staffs 1363, 1365 - Born c. 1320; son
and heir of Robert de Beek of the same (dead)in 1347). He married Jane,
daughter of Ralph Earl of Stafford who was the mother of his heiress (Harl MSS
6128. folio 59; and Gonville and Caius MSS No: 573 folio 107 ex. inf. Rev.
Charles Swynnerton).
In 1347 Tean was settled on him and his wife Jane (SC XV 114), his mother
Mary still having Hopton in dower for life while he had only the reversion. He
was knighted by 1348 being then in the household of Lord Stafford; doubtless
for that reason he was put on the Commission of the Peace in 1351. He was a
Commissioner occasionally 1354-61; and Sheriff of Staffordshire and Salop from
27 November 1368 to July 1369, when he must have died, as he was succeeded by
the Under-Sheriff till November.
His only surviving daughter and heiress Elizabeth married Sir Robert de
Swynnerton of Swynnerton and was the mother of the famous Maud Swynnerton (SC
XV 114) who was abducted by Sir John de Ipstones. [Ref: Peter Sutton SGM
11/27/2005-094948]
if Sir Nicholas really did marry a daughter of Ralph Stafford and Katherine de
Hastang then there would be the following relationship between Sir Robert de
Swynnerton and Elizabeth Bek:
Sir Robert de Hastang = Isabella
1st degree, siblings Sir Roger de Swynnerton = Joan de Hastang Sir John de
Hastang = Eva
2nd degree, cousins Sir Roger de Swynnerton = Maud Haughton Katherine de
Hastang = Ralph de Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford
3rd degree, 2nd cousins Sir Thomas de Swynnerton = Maud de Holand Jane or
Joan de Stafford = Sir Nicholas Bek
4th degree, 3rd cousins Sir Robert de Swynnerton = Elizabeth Bek
As they would be related in the 4th degree they would have required a Papal
dispensation to marry. [Ref: Peter Sutton SGM 11/27/2005-094948]
disp dated c1364, they being related in the 4th degree of kindred [Ref:
Douglas Richardson SGM 1/29/2021-145905, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p555]
"Calendar of entries in the Papal Registers relating to Great Britain &
Ireland - Papal Letters Vol: VI AD 1404-1415 - PRO 1904
Lateran Regestra Vol: CXXIII 1405
12 Kal. Aug. St Peter's Rome (f.214)
Confirmation, at the recent petition of Maud, wife of John Savage, esquire
(armigeri), of the diocese of Lichfield - containing that her parents [the
late] Robert de Swynorton, knight, and the late Elizabeth his wife, upon
learning that they had contracted marriage in ignorance that they were related
in the fourth degree of kindred, obtained from the late John do Cabrespino,
canon of Narbonne, then nuncio in England who asserted that he had faculty,
for the purpose from Urban V, dispensation to remain in their marriage, with
declaration of the legitimacy of future offspring; and adding that her said
parents thereafter died, that she was born after the said dispensation and
that the registers of the, said pope which should contain the said faculty are
not in the Roman court - of the said dispensation, with declaration that the
said marriage and Maud herself were legitimate. Exemplification is given of
the letters of dispensation of John do Cabrespino, doctor of canon law, canon
of Narbonne, papal nuncio in England, addressed to Robert de Swynarton (sic)
and Elizabeth, daughter of Nicholas de Bek, of the diocese of Lichfield, which
themselves contain exemplification of Urban V's faculty Personam tuam, dated
at Avignon, 8 Id. July anno 1 [1363], to dispense twenty-five men and as many
women of his nunciature to remain in marriages contracted in ignorance of
their bqing related in the fourth degree of kindred or affinity, declaring
past and future offspring legitimate [see Cal. Lett. IV pp. 87]
The nuncio's letters, dated in his lodging at London in the year of the
Nativity, 1364, indiction 2, according to the computation of the Roman court,
25 Jan., anno 2 Urban V, are sealed with his seal, witnessed by Berengarius
Ferrarii, canon, [and] Peter Meyssenerii of the diocese of Seboricen (i.e.
perhaps Segorve, Segobricen, in Spain) and Geneva (Geneben), and drawn up,
attested written, published and sealed in form of a public instrument by
Raymond de Campo Albaldo, clerk, of the dioces of Mende, public notary by
papal authority Ad fut. rei mem. Justis et honestis."
Although this does not prove beyond all doubt that Sir Nicholas Bek married
Joan or Jane Stafford I now believe that this was the case. [Ref: Peter Sutton
SGM 11/27/2005-094948]
Pedigree of Joan De STAFFORD
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Bagod
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Hervey BAGOT
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Hervey BAGOT
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Hervey De STAFFORD
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Nicholas De STAFFORD, Baron Of Stafford
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Robert De STAFFORD, Baron Of Stafford
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Maud MOOLTE
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Millicent De STAFFORD
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Avice
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Robert De STAFFORD, Baron Of Stafford
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Robert FERRERS, Earl Of Derby
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Robert De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby
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Hawise
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William FERRERS, Earl Of Derby
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William PEVERIL, Baron Of Peverel
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Margaret PEVERIL
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Avice De LANCASTER
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Pernell De FERRIERS
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Philip De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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William De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber
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Aenor De TOTENEIS
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Sibyl De BRAOISE
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Miles FITZ WALTER, Earl Of Hereford
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Bertha Of Hereford
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Sibyl De NEUFMARCHE
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Nicholas De STAFFORD
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Robert CORBET, Baron Of Cause
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Roger CORBET, Baron Of Cause
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Robert CORBET, Baron Of Cause
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Thomas CORBET, Baron Of Cause
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Alice CORBET
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Ralph De VAUTORT, Baron Of Trematon
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Reginald De VAUTORT, Baron Of Trematon
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Roger De VAUTORT, Baron Of Trematon
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Isabel De VAUTORT
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Alice
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Edmund De STAFFORD, Lord Stafford
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Walter De LANGLEY
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Sir Geoffrey De LANGLEY
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Emma De LACY
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(Unk) De LANGLEY
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(Unk) De HAGET
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Alfred De BRIGHTWELL
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Richard De BRIGHTWELL
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Robert De BRIGHTWELL
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Matilda De BRIGHTWELL
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Sir Ralph De STAFFORD, K.G., Earl Of Stafford
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Richard BASSET, Justiciar Of England
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Ralph BASSET
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Maud RIDEL
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Ralph BASSET
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Alicia
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Ralph BASSET
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Ralph BASSET
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Ralph BASSET, Lord Basset Of Drayton
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John De SOMERY
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Sir Ralph De SOMERY, Baron Of Dudley
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Ralph PAYNEL, Baron Of Dudley
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Hawise De PAYNELL
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(Unk Dau) De FERRERS
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Sir Roger De SOMERY, Baron Of Dudley
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William Le GROS
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William Le GROS
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Margaret Le GROS
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John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
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(Unk dau) Marshall
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Sibyl De SALISBURY
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Margaret De SOMERY
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William D'AUBIGNY, Earl Of Arundel
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William D'AUBIGNY, Earl Of Sussex And Arundel
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Adeliza Of Louvain, Queen Dowager Of England
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William D'AUBIGNY, Earl Of Arundel
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James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
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Maud St. HILLARY
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Aveline
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Nichole D'AUBIGNY
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Ranulf De GERNON, Earl Of Chester, Vicomte D'Avranches
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Hugh Of Kevelioc, Earl Of Chester
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Maud De CAEN
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Mabel Of Chester
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Simon De MONTFORT, Count Of Evreux
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Bertrade De MONTFORT
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Maud
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Margaret BASSET
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Ansketil De BERGES
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Geoffrey Le DESPENSER
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Rohese
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Thomas Le DESPENSER
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Sir Hugh Le DESPENSER
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Recuara
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Sir Hugh Le DESPENSER, Justiciar Of England
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Hawise Le DESPENSER
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Gilbert BASSET
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Thomas BASSET
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Edith
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Sir Alan BASSET
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Alan De DUNSTANVILLE
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Adeliza De DUNSTANVILLE
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Sir Philip BASSET, Justiciar Of England
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Stephen De GAI
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Phillip De GAI
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Aline PIPARD
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Aline De GAI
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Sedzilia
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Aline BASSET
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Godfrey III Count Of Louvain
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Godfrey De LOUVAINE
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Imaine Of Loos
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Matthew De LOUVAINE, Baron Of Little Easton
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Robert De HASTINGS, Baron Of Little Easton
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Delicia (Alice) De HASTINGS
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Maud De FLAMVILLE
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Hawise De LOUVAINE
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Muriel (Amy)
Joan De STAFFORD
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Sir John HASTING
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Katharine De HASTING
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Eve
Descendants of Joan De STAFFORD
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