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  1. Richard De Camville Death: Mar 1217

Bibliography
  1. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 04 Dacre-Dysart. London: St Catherine Press, 1916. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 4 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo04byucoka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IV [Ap][p0-9].*].
  2. Foss, Edward, Biographia Juridica, Biographical Dictionary of the Judges of England, London: John Murray, 1870. Available at https://books.google.com/books?id=O0oBAAAAQAAJ Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Foss Judges p[0-9]*].
  3. Ravilious, John, Melisent of Rethel and her sons. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 4/15/2009. Subject: Melisent of Rethel and her son/s. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/1tiYSAZPQDs/m/HGjTyC9Q4dwJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 4/15/2009-233112].
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  5. Borthwick, Richard, Gerard de Camville. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 6/11/2000. Subject: Mother of Gerard de Camville. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/Bj9agSD1zmI/m/L7P4rImf3ZYJ. Author address: rgbor at cyllene dot uwa dot edu dot au. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM 6/11/2000].
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Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
first son [Ref: Foss Judges p154],
parents:
[Ref: John Ravilious SGM 4/15/2009-233112],
father:
[Ref: Foss Judges p154, Keats-Rohan DD p379, Richard Borthwick SGM 6/11/2000, Watney WALLOP #200]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p379, Keats-Rohan DD p496, Richard Borthwick SGM 6/11/2000, Sanders Baronies p109, Wagner PedigreeProgress #49]
1212 [Ref: Watney WALLOP #200, Watney WALLOP #316]
16 John [Ref: Foss Judges p154]
Sources with Information about marriage to Nichola De La HAY, Lady Of Munden
date:
before 1185, as second marriage of Nichola [Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM 6/11/2000, Sanders Baronies p109]
second marriage of Nichola [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p496],
names:
[Ref: CP IV p118(c), Foss Judges p154, Watney WALLOP #316],
child:
[Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM 6/11/2000, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p316, Sanders Baronies p109(4), Wagner PedigreeProgress #49, Watney WALLOP #200]
Research Notes:
of Brattleby, Lincolnshire, Godington and Middleton (in Middleton Stonney), Oxfordshire, King's Sutton, Northamptonshire, Charlton and Hensridge, Somerset, etc [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p316]
of Middleton [Ref: Watney WALLOP #200]

heir of his father [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p379]

Constable of Lincoln Castle [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p316]

The problem we now face is one (of a number) that faced Dugdale, Nichols and others in trying to reconstruct the genealogy of this family. It is whether Gerard son of Richard (d.1176) is to be identified with Gerard (d.1214) husband of Nichola de la Haye and father of Richard (d.in or before 1226) husband of Eustache Basset. The most modern VCH articles to do with the Camvilles go for the identification. This suggests that Gerard married Nichola (relatively) late in life. (I estimate that if Gerard was 12 when he attested in 1149/50 - and he was probably older - then he would have been 40/47 or older when he married Nichola.) His marriage to Nichola (d.1230) took place after her first husband's death in 1178 and before 1185 (Sanders *English Baronies* p.109). The only real ground for "splitting" Gerard is chronological in that it appears to have him marrying and breeding far too late for a medieval heir. (He probably did marry earlier and may have bred (of whom no males survived).) The significance of Gerard and Nichola's marriage lies not in its lateness in life (for Gerard at least) but in his gaining additional valuable lands and an heir. [Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM 6/11/2000]

The charter of Gerard de Camville is abstracted on Access to Archives:
'DEEDS AND PAPERS DR10/194 [dated ca:] 1176-83
Parchment, 7 1/2 x 5 1/4 ins.
Language: Latin
Contents:
Charter of Gerard de Camvilla, addressed to Richard bishop of Chester, confirming to God and St. Mary of Cumba and the monks of the Cistercian order there serving God, the gift which his father Richard de Camvilla made to the said abbey, namely the whole land of Smita to found an abbey of the Cistercian order, with demesne and other appurtenances in wood and plain, in ways and paths, in land and water, in meadows and pastures, and in free alms quit from all earthly service and secular exactions. Witnesses: Walter de Camvilla, William de Camvill', Richard de Camvill' his brothers, John de Curci, Simon de Blossevilla. Seal on tag: circular, brown, c. 2 3/4 ins. diameter. A ?lion passant.
Note: For date and seal: see Sir Christopher Hatton's Book of Seals, p. 8. ' [A2A, Shakespeare Centre Library and Archive: Gregory of Stivichall [DR10/1 - DR10/467], Combe alias Smite: DR10/194] [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 4/15/2009-233112]



Pedigree of Gerard De Camville
 /-----Richard De Camville
|        |         /-----Alberic De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
|         \-----(Unk Dau) De VERE
|                  \-----Beatrix
Gerard De Camville
 \-----Alice



Descendants of Gerard De Camville
1. Gerard De Camville m. Nichola De La HAY, Lady Of Munden
m. Nichola De La HAY, Lady Of Munden father: Richard De La HAY, Baron Of Brattleby mother: Matilda De VERNON

2nd generation

2. Richard De Camville m. Eustacia BASSET
m. Eustacia BASSET father: Gilbert BASSET mother: Egline De COURTENAY

3rd generation

3. Idoine De Camville m. Sir William De LONGESPEE
m. Sir William De LONGESPEE father: William LONGESPEE, Earl of Salisbury mother: Ela Of Salisbury

4th generation

5. Ela LONGESPEE m. James De AUDLEY
m. James De AUDLEY father: Henry Of Aldithley mother: Bertrad MAINWARING
6. Sir William III De LONGESPEE m. Maud De CLIFFORD
m. Maud De CLIFFORD father: Walter De CLIFFORD, Baron Of Clifford mother: Margaret Of Wales

5th generation

14. Sir Nicholas De AUDLEY m. Catherine GIFFARD
m. Catherine GIFFARD father: Sir John GIFFORD, Lord Gifford Of Brimsfield mother: Maud De CLIFFORD
15. Sir Hugh De AUDLEY, Lord Audley m. Isolda MORTIMER
m. Isolda MORTIMER father: Sir Edmund De MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer
16. Margaret LONGESPEE, Countess of Salisbury m. Henry De LACY, Earl Of Lincoln
m. Henry De LACY, Earl Of Lincoln father: Edmund De LACY, Earl Of Lincoln, Constable Of C mother: Alice De SALUZZO