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Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Mariota Le CHEYNE
  2. Reginald CHEYNE Death: After 14 Jan 1378/9
  3. Mary Le CHEYNE Birth: 1

Marriage: Children:
  1. Sir Patrick GRAHAM Birth: 1 Death: Before 1404
  2. David GRAHAM Birth: 2 Death: After 20 Feb 1369/70
  3. John GRAHAM Birth: 3 Death: After 1370

Bibliography
  1. Ravilious, John, Helen of Strathearn, wife of Sir David Graham. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 1/1/2006. Subject: Helen of Strathearn, daughter of Joanna de Menteith (revisited). Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EdhQRQODrgE/m/XqhW5ehZSr8J. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/1/2006-150721].
  2. Ravilious, John, Ellen de Abernethy. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 1/3/2016. Subject: Ellen de Abernethy, Wife of (1) Reginald le Cheyne and (2) David de Graham. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/PEL7rqsrDyo/m/Ih1f4TWfDgAJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/3/2016-155451].
  3. Ravilious, John, wife of Sir Alexander Fraser. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 1/7/2010. Subject: Sir Alexander Fraser (d. 1332) and his 1st wife. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/rc0FOZlg9Ig/m/Blrl5baX9Z4J. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/7/2010-222207].
  4. Ravilious, John, David Graham and Helen Abernethy. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 11/20/2008. Subject: continuing descents from Norse earls of Orkney. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/FnGVK5w6xmA/m/MH1u6WXngGgJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/20/2008-171611].
  5. Ravilious, John, Helen of Strathearn, wife of Sir David Graham. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 11/9/2005. Subject: SP Addition: Helen of Strathearn, wife of Sir David Graham. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/ICViKhDKHaw/m/QTeehlXNiMsJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/9/2005-161723].
  6. Ravilious, John, Graham of Montrose. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 12/5/2005. Subject: Graham of Montrose: a Keith/Barclay Connection. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/_IE30U74Vyc/m/u5K0D8FqnasJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 12/5/2005-002947].
  7. Ravilious, John, Queen Euphemia and her ancestry, in The Scottish Genealogist, vol LXIV no 2 (Jun 2017), pp49-52. Available at https://independent.academia.edu/JohnRavilious. This article at https://www.academia.edu/35370666/Queen_Euphemia_and_her_ancestry_TSG_LXIV_2_49_52. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Ravilious QueenEuphemia p[0-9]*].
  8. Paul, Sir James Balfour, Scots Peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that Kingdom. Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904. NYPL ARO (Scots Peerage) (too fragile to copy). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/216265. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: SP VI p[0-9]*].
  9. Doig, Suzanne, Graham of Abercorn, Kincardine etc.. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 11/26/1998. Subject: Graham of Abercorn, Kincardine etc.. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/H6nwxsmW8Cg/m/oRCWumSoM5kJ. Author address: Doigsmd49 at csc dot canterbury dot ac dot nz. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Suzanne Doig SGM 11/26/1998].

Sources for birth and parent Information
father:
[Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/3/2016-155451]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
parents:
Malise Earl of Strathearn (#23925) & Joan De MONTEITH (#23924) [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/1/2006-150721],
father:
Malise Earl of Strathearn (#23925) [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/20/2008-171611, John Ravilious SGM 11/9/2005-161723],
note:
identified as the daughter of Malise, Earl of Strathearn, from James Primrose's "Strathbrock or the History and Antiquities of the Parish of Uphall". [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/9/2005-161723]
Sources for death Information
date:
after 1386? [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/3/2016-155451]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir Reginald CHEYNE
date:
first marriage of Helen [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/3/2016-155451, John Ravilious SGM 11/20/2008-171611, John Ravilious SGM 11/9/2005-161723],
child:
[Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/3/2016-155451, John Ravilious SGM 1/7/2010-222207, John Ravilious SGM 11/20/2008-171611, John Ravilious SGM 12/5/2005-002947]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir David GRAHAM
date:
abt 1353, second marriage of Elen [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/3/2016-155451]
disp 8 Oct 1353 [Ref: Ravilious QueenEuphemia p50]
disp 9 Oct 1353 [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/1/2006-150721]
second marriage of Helen [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/20/2008-171611]
second marriage of Helen, disp 1353 7 Id Oct [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/9/2005-161723],
child:
[Ref: SP VI p212, SP VI p213, Suzanne Doig SGM 11/26/1998]
Research Notes:
previously identified as the daughter of Malise, Earl of Strathearn (this from James Primrose's "Strathbrock or the History and Antiquities of the Parish of Uphall"). [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/9/2005-161723]

actually daughter of Earl Malise by his 2nd wife, Joanna de Menteith, instead of his unknown 1st wife. Support for this is found in the dispensation for the marriage of Archibald Douglas and Euphemia Graham, dated 26 Jun 1425, found to be related in the double 4th degree. One of the 4th degree relationships, on the father's side, would result from common descent from Joanna de Menteith [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/1/2006-150721]

In 2005 there was extended discussion concerning the 1353 dispensation for Sir David de Graham and Elen, widow of Reginald le Cheyne. At that time the discussion dealt in large part with the consanguinity between Elen and Sir David due to her previous identification as a daughter of the Earl of Strathearn. Evidence has been noted that indicates this filiation is in error.
Recent research in the National Records of Scotland catalogue located an interesting charter of King Robert II dated 22 May 1387 confirming a grant "by Elen de Abirnethy, daughter and one of the heirs of deceased Lawrence de Abirnethy, knight, with consent of the Prioress and nuns of Hadyngtoune, to William de Douglas de St[ra]broc, knight, her nephew...". The identification of William Douglas as 'nephew' of Elen can be readily questioned, as the Latin noun has in the past been found to inaccurately reflect a relationship that was in fact that of grandparent and grandchild. [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/3/2016-155451]

the reference in the 1387 charter was clearly to her grandson ("nepos") William Douglas, the son of her daughter Mariota le Cheyne [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/3/2016-155451]



Pedigree of Helen De ABERNETHY
                                              /-----Hugh De ABERNETHY
                                     /-----Orm De ABERNETHY
                            /-----Sir Laurence De ABERNETHY
                   /-----William De ABERNETHY
                  |        |                  /-----Fergus Lord Of Galloway
                  |        |         /-----Uchtred Of Galloway
                  |        |        |        |                  /-----William The Conqueror King Of England
                  |        |        |        |         /-----Henry I Beauclerc King Of England
                  |        |        |        |        |         \-----Maud Of Flanders
                  |        |        |         \-----Sibyl/Elizabeth
                  |        |        |                 |         /-----Robert CORBET, Lord of Alcester
                  |        |        |                  \-----Sibyl CORBET
                  |         \-----Devorguile Of Galloway
                  |                 |                           /-----Maldred Lord Of Carlisle
                  |                 |                  /-----Gospatric I Earl Of Northumberland
                  |                 |                 |         \-----Ealdgyth
                  |                 |         /-----Waltheof Baron Of Allendale
                  |                 |        |        |         /-----Ethelred II The Redeless King Of England
                  |                 |        |         \-----(Unk Dau)
                  |                 |        |                  \-----Alfflaed
                  |                  \-----Gunnild Of Dunbar
                  |                           \-----Sigrid
          /-----William De ABERNETHY
         |         \-----Margaret
 /-----Laurence De ABERNETHY
Helen De ABERNETHY



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