Family:
Children:
- Eticho Count In The Breis And Affagau Death: After 911 in Ettel, Ammergau
- Conrad Count Of Linzgau Death: 913
Bibliography
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Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. I: Die Stammesherzoge, Die Weltlichenkurforsten, Die Kaiserlichen, Koniglichen und Grossherzoglichen Familien. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1980. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES I #[0-9]*].
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Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. I.1: Die frankischen Konige und die Konige und Kaiser, Stammesherzoge, Kurfursten, Markgrafen und Herzoge des Heiligen Romischen Reiches Deutscher Nation. Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, 1998. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES I.1 #[0-9]*].
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Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. III.4 (#601-#820): Das Feudale Frankreich und sein Einfluss auf die Welt des Mittelalters. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1989. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES III.4 #[0-9]*].
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Jackman, Donald C, Criticism and Critique: Sidelights on the Konradiner. Oxford: Unit for Prosopographical Research, 1997. NYPL ATH (Konradiner) 00-1166. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Jackman Konradiner [p#][0-9]*].
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Moriarty, G Andrews, Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III And Queen Philippa. Salt Lake: Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, 1985. LDS Film#0441438. NYPL ARF-86-2555. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/film/007905814?cat=66443. Also available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/66443. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p[0-9]*].
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Paget, Gerald, The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales. London: Charles Skilton Ltd, 1977. Nypl ARF+ 78-835. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p[0-9]*].
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Borthwick, Richard, Welf Dukes of Bavaria. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 11/26/1998. Subject: Bavaria. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/a_03EyhwgHE/m/vVUhqQLqkCMJ. Author address: rgbor at cyllene dot uwa dot edu dot au. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richard Borthwick SGM 11/26/1998].
- parents:
- [Ref: ES I #57, Moriarty Plantagenet p33, Paget HRHCharles p221]
- either Konrad I & Aelis or Rudolf I & Roduna, dotted line to both
[Ref: ES III.4 #736],
- father:
- dotted line to Konrad Count of Argengau [Ref: Jackman Konradiner #2]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- after 858 [Ref: ES I.1 #17]
- before 876 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p168, Moriarty Plantagenet p33,
Paget HRHCharles p221]
- occ 850 [Ref: ES III.4 #736]
- vor 876 [Ref: ES I #57]
Sources with Information about marriage to unknown
- child:
- [Ref: ES I #57, ES I.1 #17, Jackman Konradiner #2, Moriarty Plantagenet
p168, Paget HRHCharles p221]
Research Notes:
Count in Argengau [Ref: Jackman Konradiner #2]
Count in Linzgau [Ref: ES I.1 #17]
Count in Alpgau [Ref: ES I.1 #17]
Count of Altdorf [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p221]
Count in the Arginand Linzgaus [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p33]
adherent of Charles the Bald [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p168]
The Welf (I) (d.after 819) (i.e. the father of Konrad and the empress Judith)
is to be distinguished from his putative grandson Welf (II) (d.?about 860)
(probable son of Konrad) count in the Linzgau, Alpgau and Argengau). It is
most probable that the "Bavarian" line descended from Konrad and his Etichonid
wife, Aelis dau. of count Hugo of Tours, since the leading name 'Eticho'
occurs in that line. The affiliations from Rudolf (II) are attested but all
the previous ones are likely but unproven and would be best indicated by a
dotted line. This convention is followed in ES I.1:17, 31 (see also ES
III/4:736). The prosopographical details are set out for Welf (I), Konrad,
Welf (II) in M Borgolte *Die Grafen Alemanniens in merowingischer and
karolingischer Zeit. Eine Prosopographie* (Thorbecke: Sigmaringen, 1986).
Eticho is referred to under the articles on Ato, Welf (I), Welf (II) and
Heinrich. Jackman also makes an interesting suggestion on the arrival of the
name 'Heinrich' in the "Bavarian" line in his *Criticism and Critique:
Sidelights on the Konradiner* (Oxford, 1997) 71, 158, Table 2. [Ref: Richard
Borthwick SGM 11/26/1998]
The basis of modern discussions on the origins of the Bavarian Welfs is G
Tellenbach's paper "Ueber die aeltesten Welfen im West- und Ostfrankenreich"
in *Studien und Vorarbeiten zur Geschichte des grossfraenkischen Adels*
(Freiburg, 1957) ed. by Tellenbach, pp.335-340. There is some discussion (from
what I can now imperfectly recall) on the early generations of the "Bavarian"
line in K Jordan *Heinrich der Loewe* (Munich, 1980[1979]). [Ref: Richard
Borthwick SGM 11/26/1998]
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Europaische Stammtafeln I.1 #17 ("Die - alteren - Welfen"):
Welf II, 842/50 Graf im Linzgau, 852-858 Graf im Alpgau; child (dotted line)
Eticho [Ref: ES I.1 #17]
Pedigree of Welf Count In The Argenand Linzgaus
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Guelph Duke Of Fruili, Count Of Bavaria
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Ruthardus Duke Of Bavaria
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Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
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Conrad I Of Burgandy, Count Of Auxerra
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(Unk) Saxon
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Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
Welf Count In The Argenand Linzgaus
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Adalric Duke Of Alsace
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Adelbert Duke Of Alsace
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Bereswinde
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Luitfriede I Duke Of Alsace
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Odon
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Gerlinde
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Alberic
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Hubert Prince Of Bavaria
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Adele
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Adele
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Theodard Bishop Of Liege
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Theodrada
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(Unk Dau)
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Luitfriede II Count Of Alsace
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Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
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Hiltrude
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Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
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Ava
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