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Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Sir Walter DENNIS Death: 1 Sep 1505
  2. John DENNIS

Bibliography
  1. Foljambe, Cecil George Savile, Earl of Liverpool, House of Cornewall, Hereford: Jakeman, 1908. Available at http://archive.org/details/houseofcornewall00live. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Foljambe Cornewall p[0-9]*].
  2. Staley, Louise, Katherine Deighton's new royal ancestry. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 2/19/2004. Subject: Katherine Deighton's new royal ancestry. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/jVRcX69PZ4w/m/SRYH6MLxcjwJ. Author address: caramut at bigpond dot com dot au. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Louise Staley SGM 2/19/2004-214857].
  3. Richardson, Douglas, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Baltimore, MD: Genelogical Publishing Co, 2004. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson PA p[0-9]*].
  4. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
  5. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p[0-9]*].
  6. Roberts, Gary Boyd, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States: who were themselves notable or left descendants notable in American history, with a 2008 Addendum, Coda, and Final Additions. Baltimore, MD: Gen Pub Co, 2008. NYPL APK 08-4216. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Roberts RD600 p[0-9]*].
  7. Bevan, Rosie, Katherine Deighton's new royal ancestry. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 2/4/2004. Subject: Katherine Deighton's new royal ancestry. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/vtPSdPu-pOk/m/XY0YHM3CswgJ. Author address: rbevan at fernside dot co dot nz. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Rosie Bevan SGM 2/4/2004-022854].

Sources for birth and parent Information
parents:
[Ref: Richardson PA p79, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p433, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p55, Roberts RD600 p259],
father:
[Ref: Foljambe Cornewall p132],
name:
Joan (or Katherine) [Ref: Richardson PA p263, Richardson PA p79, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p433, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p55]
Sources with Information about marriage to Morris DENNIS
date:
first marriage of Maurice [Ref: Richardson PA p263, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p433],
names:
[Ref: Richardson PA p79, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p56],
child:
[Ref: Foljambe Cornewall p132, Richardson PA p263, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p433, Roberts RD600 p259]
Research Notes:
Dear Brice and Peter
Your observations strike several chords with many of us.
Richardson's unwillingness to discuss the evidence for the maternity of Katherine Stradling leaves one with the impression that he is reluctant to admit the speculative nature of this line. Posting the manuscript draft to the newsgroup is a cynical attempt to quell concerns by drowning them with references - any of which may, or may not, give information on the genealogy. This is an insult to those who have seriously contributed to this thread asking pertinent questions about whether any new information has come to light. Indeed the dumping of references at the end of each potted biography, is an unscholarly and unappealing feature of PA3 with which buyers will have to negotiate. One almost suspects, as in this case, that the more references given, the weaker the evidence for the link is likely to be; otherwise a few well-chosen contemporary sources would have been more than sufficient to adequately do the job. Without competent objective or critical analysis of the material used, the value of the work rests merely as a glorified bibliography, and his attempts to be both historian and genealogist succeed on neither level.
As an example, the certainty by which Richardson places Alice fitzAlan of Arundel as mother of Joan, despite the fact that Brad Verity very competently exposed this as a manufactured Tudor invention in a compelling post on 14 April 2003, sounds warning bells. (The two Stradling/Arundel marriages in the 1400's are the most likely origin for this legend). By accepting her identity as mother of Joan - with no mention of controversy about this in the main text - Richardson has imposed artificial date parameters on himself. It is ludicrous to insist that Joan was born before 1392, when Beaufort was aged 16/17 and studying civil and canon law in Aachen, according to the DNB article from Richardson's very own citation. And how likely is it in an age of early marriage, that Henry Stradling, Edward and Joan's son and heir, was born when his mother was 30 and his father 34? All the indications are that Joan was born a decade later - as suggested by the 1480 inquisition post mortem of which Paul Reed presented evidence last year. The dates also leave the possibility that Edward Stradling may have had an earlier marriage.
Another aspect of Richardson's modus operandi regarding references, is the possibility that some are unseen by him. We only have to remember back to last year when he purported that there was a Lucy de St. John. He dumped the text and citations for the entry for others to check because he had no idea what in his citations pertained to the question at hand. Not only was his statement discredited, he had included the citation from Paget without stating it was from Paget, giving the impression he had actually checked a source he hadn't.
If speculative lines abound in this volume, (as the ominous declarations of two Idas are an indication), Richardson will undermine the careful reputation established by Dr Faris, whose readership was never left wondering which lines were valid and which were not.
Rosie [Ref: Rosie Bevan SGM 2/4/2004-022854]

...You are quite right about the Gloucestershire Visitation not mentioning Joan Beaufort. ...
Clearly this means the Gloucester Visitation needs to be moved into the category of "References that show Katherine Stradling was the daughter of Sir Edward Stradling and the wife of Maurice Dennis but DO NOT mention her mother." This brings the count in that category to 4 and eliminates entirely the category of references that show Joan Beaufort was Katherine Stradling's mother.
Of the 15 references in PA3 about Katherine Stradling, none mention who her mother was at all. Given that this is the crucial relationship that determines whether the line stands or fails, and is the point of departure from current thinking, it would seem to me that failing a contemporary (or other) source, some explanation is required to demonstrate why Katherine is the daughter of Joan. [Ref: Louise Staley SGM 2/19/2004-214857]



Pedigree of Katherine STRADLING
                   /-----Sir Edward STRADLING
          /-----Sir William STRADLING
         |        |         /-----Sir Roger BERKEROLLES
         |         \-----Gwenllian BERKEROLLES
         |                 |                           /-----Gilbert De TURBERVILLE
         |                 |                  /-----Richard De TURBERVILLE
         |                 |                 |        |         /-----Morgan CHAN
         |                 |                 |         \-----Matilda
         |                 |         /-----Payne De TURBERVILLE
         |                  \-----Katherine De TURBERVILLE
         |                          |                           /-----Richard TALBOT
         |                          |                  /-----Gilbert TALBOT
         |                          |                 |         \-----Aline BASSET
         |                          |         /-----Richard TALBOT
         |                          |        |        |         /-----Rhys MECHYLL
         |                          |        |         \-----Gwenthlian MECHYLL
         |                           \-----Gwenllian TALBOT
         |                                   |                  /-----Walter De BEAUCHAMP
         |                                   |         /-----William BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Elmsley Castle
         |                                   |        |         \-----Joan MORTIMER
         |                                    \-----Sarah De BEAUCHAMP
         |                                            |         /-----William IV MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
         |                                             \-----Isabel MAUDUIT
         |                                                      \-----Alice De NEWBOURGE
 /-----Sir Edward STRADLING
|        |                  /-----Richard St BARBE
|        |         /-----Sir John St BARBE
|        |        |         \-----Matilda
|         \-----Isabel St BARBE
|                  \-----Mary LANGELONDE
Katherine STRADLING
|                                                               /-----John Lackland PLANTAGENET, King Of England
|                                                      /-----Henry III King Of England
|                                                     |         \-----Isabel Of Angouleme
|                                             /-----Edward I King Of England
|                                            |        |         /-----Raymond Berengar IV Count Of Provence And Forcalquier
|                                            |         \-----Eleanor Of Provence
|                                            |                  \-----Beatrice Of Savoy
|                                    /-----Edward II King Of England
|                                   |        |                  /-----Alfonso IX King Of Leon
|                                   |        |         /-----Fernando III The Saint King Of Castile And Leon
|                                   |        |        |         \-----Berengaria Of Castile
|                                   |         \-----Eleanor Of Castile
|                                   |                 |         /-----Simon De DAMMARTIN, Count Of Aumale
|                                   |                  \-----Joan De DAMMARTIN
|                                   |                           \-----Marie Countess Of Ponthieu
|                           /-----Edward III King Of England
|                          |        |                           /-----Saint Louis IX King Of France
|                          |        |                  /-----Phillip III The Bold King Of France
|                          |        |                 |         \-----Marguerite Of Provence
|                          |        |         /-----Phillip IV King Of France
|                          |        |        |        |         /-----James I The Conqueror King Of Aragon
|                          |        |        |         \-----Isabelle Of Aragon
|                          |        |        |                  \-----Iolande Of Hungary
|                          |         \-----Isabella Of France
|                          |                 |                  /-----Theobald I King Of Navarre
|                          |                 |         /-----Henry I King Of Navarre
|                          |                 |        |         \-----Margaret Of Bourbon
|                          |                  \-----Jeanne Of Navarre, Countess Of Champagne
|                          |                          |         /-----Robert Count Of Artois
|                          |                           \-----Blanche Of Artois
|                          |                                    \-----Matilda Of Brabant
|                  /-----John Of Gaunt K.G., Duke of Lancaster
|                 |        |                                    /-----Richard Seigneur Of Avesnes
|                 |        |                           /-----John I De AVENES, Count Of Hainault
|                 |        |                          |         \-----Margaret Of Flanders
|                 |        |                  /-----John II Count Of Hainault, Count Of Holland
|                 |        |                 |        |         /-----Florence IV Count Of Holland
|                 |        |                 |         \-----Adelaide Of Holland
|                 |        |                 |                  \-----Matilda Of Brabant
|                 |        |         /-----William III Count Of Hainault And Holland
|                 |        |        |        |                  /-----Waleran IV Duke Of Limburg
|                 |        |        |        |         /-----Henry II The Blond Count Of Luxembourg And La Roche
|                 |        |        |        |        |         \-----Ermensende Of Namur
|                 |        |        |         \-----Philippa Of Luxembourg
|                 |        |        |                 |         /-----Henry II Count Of Bar, Seigneur De Ligny
|                 |        |        |                  \-----Margaret Of Bar
|                 |        |        |                           \-----Phillippe Of Dreux
|                 |         \-----Philippa Of Hainault
|                 |                 |                           /-----Saint Louis IX King Of France
|                 |                 |                  /-----Phillip III The Bold King Of France
|                 |                 |                 |         \-----Marguerite Of Provence
|                 |                 |         /-----Charles Count Of Valois And Anjou
|                 |                 |        |        |         /-----James I The Conqueror King Of Aragon
|                 |                 |        |         \-----Isabelle Of Aragon
|                 |                 |        |                  \-----Iolande Of Hungary
|                 |                  \-----Joanna Of Valois
|                 |                          |                  /-----Charles Of Anjou, Count Of Provence
|                 |                          |         /-----Charles II The Lame King Of Naples
|                 |                          |        |         \-----Beatrix Countess Of Provence
|                 |                           \-----Margaret Of Naples
|                 |                                   |         /-----Stephen V King Of Hungary
|                 |                                    \-----Mary Of Hungary
|                 |                                             \-----Elizabeth Of Cumans
|         /-----Henry De BEAUFORT, Bishop Of Winchester
|        |        |         /-----Sir Payn Roet Of Hainault, Gulenne King Of Arms
|        |         \-----Katharine Of Hainault
 \-----Joan De BEAUFORT
         |                                                      /-----Sir John FITZALAN, Earl Of Arundel
         |                                             /-----Sir John FITZALAN, Earl Of Arundel
         |                                            |         \-----Maud De VERDUN
         |                                    /-----Sir Richard FITZ ALAN, Earl Of Arundel
         |                                   |        |         /-----Sir Roger MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
         |                                   |         \-----Isabel MORTIMER
         |                                   |                  \-----Maud De BRAOISE
         |                           /-----Sir Edmund FITZ ALAN, Earl Of Arundel
         |                          |        |                  /-----Manfred III Margrave Of Saluzzo
         |                          |        |         /-----Thomas I Margrave Of Saluzzo
         |                          |        |        |         \-----Beatrice Of Savoy
         |                          |         \-----Alasia Of Saluzzo
         |                          |                 |         /-----George Of Ceva, Marquis Of Ceva
         |                          |                  \-----Luisa Of Ceva
         |                          |                           \-----Menzia De ESTE
         |                  /-----Sir Richard FITZ ALAN, Earl Of Arundel And Surrey
         |                 |        |                           /-----William De WARENNE, Earl Of Surrey
         |                 |        |                  /-----John De WARENNE, Earl Of Surrey
         |                 |        |                 |         \-----Maud MARSHALL
         |                 |        |         /-----Sir William De WARENNE
         |                 |        |        |        |         /-----Hugh X De Lusignan, Count Of La Marche
         |                 |        |        |         \-----Alfais De LUSIGNAN
         |                 |        |        |                  \-----Isabel Of Angouleme
         |                 |         \-----Alice De WARENNE
         |                 |                 |                  /-----Sir Hugh De VERE, Earl Of Oxford
         |                 |                 |         /-----Sir Robert De VERE, Earl Of Oxford
         |                 |                 |        |         \-----Hawise De QUINCEY
         |                 |                  \-----Joan De VERE
         |                 |                          |         /-----Gilbert De SANFORD
         |                 |                           \-----Alice De SANFORD
         |                 |                                    \-----Lorette La ZOUCHE
         |         /-----Richard FITZ ALAN, K.G., Earl Of Arundel and Su
         |        |        |                                    /-----John Lackland PLANTAGENET, King Of England
         |        |        |                           /-----Henry III King Of England
         |        |        |                          |         \-----Isabel Of Angouleme
         |        |        |                  /-----Edmund Crouchback PLANTAGENET, King Of Sicily
         |        |        |                 |        |         /-----Raymond Berengar IV Count Of Provence And Forcalquier
         |        |        |                 |         \-----Eleanor Of Provence
         |        |        |                 |                  \-----Beatrice Of Savoy
         |        |        |         /-----Henry PLANTAGENET, Earl Of Lancaster
         |        |        |        |        |                  /-----Louis VIII The Lion King Of France
         |        |        |        |        |         /-----Robert Count Of Artois
         |        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Blanche Of Castile
         |        |        |        |         \-----Blanche Of Artois
         |        |        |        |                 |         /-----Henry II The Conqueror Duke Of Brabant
         |        |        |        |                  \-----Matilda Of Brabant
         |        |        |        |                           \-----Marie Of Swabia
         |        |         \-----Eleanor PLANTAGENET
         |        |                 |                           /-----Pain De CHAWORTH, Baron Of Kempsford
         |        |                 |                  /-----Patric De CHAWORTH, Baron Of Kempsford
         |        |                 |                 |         \-----Gundreda De La FERTE
         |        |                 |         /-----Sir Patric CHAWORTH, Baron Of Kempsford
         |        |                 |        |        |         /-----Thomas De LONDRES, Lord Of Kidwelly
         |        |                 |        |         \-----Hawise De LONDRES
         |        |                 |        |                  \-----Eve FITZ WARIN
         |        |                  \-----Maud CHAWORTH
         |        |                          |                  /-----William BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Elmsley Castle
         |        |                          |         /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
         |        |                          |        |         \-----Isabel MAUDUIT
         |        |                           \-----Isabel De BEAUCHAMP
         |        |                                   |         /-----Sir John FITZ GEOFFREY
         |        |                                    \-----Maud FITZJOHN
         |        |                                             \-----Isabel BIGOD
          \-----Alice FITZ ALAN
                  |                                             /-----Humphrey V De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex
                  |                                    /-----Humphrey VI De BOHUN
                  |                                   |         \-----Maud D'EU
                  |                           /-----Humphrey VII De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex
                  |                          |        |         /-----William De BRAIOSE, Baron Of Brecknock Castle
                  |                          |         \-----Eleanor De BRAIOSE
                  |                          |                  \-----Eve MARSHALL
                  |                  /-----Humphrey VIII De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex
                  |                 |        |                  /-----William De FIENNES
                  |                 |        |         /-----Sir Ingleman FIENNES, K.B., Lord Of Wendover
                  |                 |        |        |         \-----Agnes De DAMMARTIN
                  |                 |         \-----Maud De FIENNES
                  |                 |                  \-----Isabel
                  |         /-----Sir William De BOHUN, K.G., Earl of Northampton
                  |        |        |                           /-----John Lackland PLANTAGENET, King Of England
                  |        |        |                  /-----Henry III King Of England
                  |        |        |                 |         \-----Isabel Of Angouleme
                  |        |        |         /-----Edward I King Of England
                  |        |        |        |        |         /-----Raymond Berengar IV Count Of Provence And Forcalquier
                  |        |        |        |         \-----Eleanor Of Provence
                  |        |        |        |                  \-----Beatrice Of Savoy
                  |        |         \-----Elizabeth PLANTAGENET
                  |        |                 |                  /-----Alfonso IX King Of Leon
                  |        |                 |         /-----Fernando III The Saint King Of Castile And Leon
                  |        |                 |        |         \-----Berengaria Of Castile
                  |        |                  \-----Eleanor Of Castile
                  |        |                          |         /-----Simon De DAMMARTIN, Count Of Aumale
                  |        |                           \-----Joan De DAMMARTIN
                  |        |                                    \-----Marie Countess Of Ponthieu
                   \-----Elizabeth De BOHUN
                           |                           /-----Giles BADLESMERE
                           |                  /-----Guncelin BADLESMERE
                           |         /-----Bartholomew De BADLESMERE, Lord Badlesmere
                            \-----Elizabeth De BADLESMERE
                                    |                           /-----Sir Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford And Glouceste
                                    |                  /-----Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Gloucester And Hertfor
                                    |                 |         \-----Isabel MARSHALL
                                    |         /-----Thomas DeCLARE, Lord Of Thomond
                                    |        |        |         /-----John De LACY, Earl Of Lincoln, MC Surety
                                    |        |         \-----Maud De LACY
                                    |        |                  \-----Margaret De QUINCY, Heiress Of Lincoln
                                     \-----Margaret De CLARE
                                             |                  /-----Sir Maurice FITZ GERALD, Baron Offaly
                                             |         /-----Maurice FITZ MAURICE FITZ GERALD, Lord Of Offaly
                                             |        |         \-----Juliane
                                              \-----Julian FITZ MAURICE
                                                      |         /-----Gerald De PRENDERGAST
                                                       \-----Matilda De PRENDERGAST
                                                                \-----Matilda De BURG



Descendants of Katherine STRADLING
1. Katherine STRADLING m. Morris DENNIS
m. Morris DENNIS father: Sir Gilbert DENNIS mother: Margaret RUSSELL

2nd generation

2. Sir Walter DENNIS m1. (Unk) FIENNES m2. Agnes DANVERS m3. Agnes MYNNE m4. Alice WALWYN
m. (Unk) FIENNES
m. Agnes DANVERS father: Sir Robert DANVERS mother: Agnes DELABAR
m. Agnes MYNNE
m. Alice WALWYN father: William WALWYN

3rd generation

4. Sir William DENNIS m1. Anne BERKELEY m2. Edith TWINIHOE
m. Anne BERKELEY father: Maurice BERKELEY, Lord Berkeley mother: Isabel MEAD
m. Edith TWINIHOE
6. John DENNIS m. Fortune NORTON
m. Fortune NORTON father: Thomas NORTON

4th generation

10. Eleanor DENNIS m. William LYGON
m. William LYGON father: Sir Richard LYGON mother: Margaret GREVELL
11. Isabel DENNIS m1. Sir John BERKELEY m2. Sir Arthur PORTER
m. Sir John BERKELEY father: Richard BERKELEY mother: Elizabeth CONNINGSBY
m. Sir Arthur PORTER father: Thomas PORTER mother: Katherine HAYWARD
12. Anne DENNIS m1. Sir John RAGLAN m2. Sir Edward CARNE
m. Sir John RAGLAN father: Robert RAGLAN mother: Wenllian VAUGHAN
m. Sir Edward CARNE father: Howell CARNE mother: Cecily KEMYS
24. Hugh DENNIS m. Katherine TRYE
m. Katherine TRYE father: Edward TRYE mother: Sybil MONINGTON

5th generation

28. Thomas LYGON m. Frances DENNIS
m. Frances DENNIS father: Hugh DENNIS mother: Katherine TRYE
32. Cecily LYGON m1. Edward GORGES m2. John VIVIAN
m. Edward GORGES father: Edmund GORGES mother: Anne WALSH
m. John VIVIAN
33. Margaret LYGON m1. Sir Thomas RUSSELL m2. Sir Henry BERKELEY
m. Sir Thomas RUSSELL
m. Sir Henry BERKELEY
34. Katherine LYGON m. Thomas FOLIOT
m. Thomas FOLIOT father: John FOLIOT mother: Eleanor MOORE
35. Elizabeth LYGON m. William NORWOOD
m. William NORWOOD father: Henry NORWOOD mother: Katherine THROCKMORTON
36. Elizabeth BERKELEY m. Henry LYGON
m. Henry LYGON father: Sir Richard LYGON mother: Margaret GREVELL
37. Sir Richard BERKELEY m. Elizabeth JERMY
m. Elizabeth JERMY
40. Alice RAGLAN m1. William MATHEW m2. William HERBERT
m. William MATHEW father: Robert MATHEW mother: Alice THOMAS AP THOMAS
m. William HERBERT father: Sir George HERBERT mother: Elizabeth BERKELEY
47. Frances DENNIS m. Thomas LYGON
m. Thomas LYGON father: William LYGON mother: Eleanor DENNIS