Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Sir John BLUET Death: Before 24 Mar 1376
Bibliography
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Richardson, Douglas, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Baltimore, MD: Genelogical Publishing Co, 2005. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson MCA p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1[pc][0-9]*].
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Bevan, Rosie, Ancestry of Philip de Clanvowe. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 2/6/2005. Subject: Ancestry of Philip de Clanvowe. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/eAo4VML6vvU/m/qmC2SuQh7RMJ. Author address: rbevan at fernside dot co dot nz. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Rosie Bevan SGM 2/6/2005-173532].
- father:
- [Ref: Richardson MCA p96, Rosie Bevan SGM 2/6/2005-173532]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- before 1352 [Ref: Richardson MCA p96, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p398]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir Ralph BLUET
- date:
- first marriage of Ralph [Ref: Richardson MCA p96, Richardson RoyalAnc
v1p398],
- child:
- [Ref: Richardson MCA p96, Richardson MCA p97, Richardson RoyalAnc
v1p398]
Research Notes:
heiress to her brother Rhys at Rhys [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p398]
her children became the heirs of her father's estates in Wales following the
deaths of her five brothers without issue [Ref: Rosie Bevan SGM
2/6/2005-173532]
This past week I was contacted by Paul Vogel who asked me several questions
about the Clanvowe lineage. After responding, he suggested I post my response
to SGM as this information has not been previously posted. And so I will.
Perhaps it will be of some interest to those who can claim Philip de Clanvowe
as an ancestor.
A contemporary account of the ancestry of Philip de Clanvowe can be found
in the Calendar of Inquisitions Miscellaneous II, p. 404, Inquisition no.
1643. The entry reads as follows:
1643. Commission to Peter de Grauntsoun, Richard de Penebrugge, Adam Lucas,
and John de Mershton. Witness: - Edward, duke of Cornwall and earl of Chester,
guardian of England. Berkhampstede. 10 May 13 Edward III. [1339.] By the
council.
Inquisition before the said Adam and John in the presence of Jewan ap Res,
supplying the place of Hugh Tyrel, keeper of the manor of Radenore. Webbeleye.
Thursday before St. Barnabas. Philip de Clanvowe and his ancestors have been
reeves in fee of the land of Glaudestre, an appurtenance of the manor of
Radenore, receiving yearly from that manor 7 ells of cloth worth 5 marks a
cloth, which the said Philip had from Margaret de Mortuo Mari in her time;
Philip ap Howel, his uncle, whose heir he is, had the same from Edmund de
Mortuo Mari in his time and from Maud his mother in her time; Howel ap Meurik,
father of the said Philip ap Howel and grandfather of the said Philip de
Clanvowe, whose heir he is , had the same from the said Maud in her time;
Meuric ap Phelip, father of the said Howel, had the same from William de
Breosa in his time; and so the said Philip de Clanvowe and his ancestors had
the same from time beyond memory until the manor came to the king's hand by
the death of Margaret de Mortuo Mari by reasonof the minority of Roger son and
heir of Edmund de Mortuo Mari; the cloth is in arrear for the whole time of
Hugh Tyrel as keeper of the manor. C. Inq. Misc. File 137. (13.)
The foregoing relates the direct line as
Meuric ap Phelip
Howel ap Meurik
Philip ap Howel
[unnamed]
Philip de Clanvowe
The Margaret de Mortui Mori (Mortimer) is the widow of Edmund de Mortimer
(died 1304) called Edmund de Mortui Mori son of Matilda de Mortui, who was
Maud (died 1301), daughter of William de Braose (i.e. Breosa) who married
Roger de Mortimer. See Sanders, English Baronies, p. 21.
The ancestry of Meuric ap Philip is cited in at least three references. The
first is in the Visitation of Gloucestershire in 1623, p. 130, in the pedigree
of Poyntz, wherein the generations are given as:
Rheses Michell
Resius Vichan
Phillippus fil. Resi Junior
Meuricus fil. Rhese filij Philippi
The second source is Sir Joseph Bradney's A History of Monmouthshire, vol.
4, p. 243, wherein he writes:
Rhys Gryg, died 1233.
Rhys Fychan
Philip ap Rhys Fychan
Rhys ap Philip
Meurig ap Rhys
The third is in Bartrum's Welsh Genealogies under the pedigree of Rhys ap
Tewdr 26:
Rhys Mechyll
Philip ap Rhys Mechyll
Rhys ap Philip
Meurig ap Rhys
The problem with the foreging accounts is that there are too many
generations. This becomes apparent when dates are assigned to the named
persons:
Rhys Gryyg, died 1234, married Joan de Clare.
Rhys Mechyll, died 1244, married Matilda de Braose.
Rhys Fychan, died 1271, married Gwladus ferch Gruffydd ap Llewelyn
Philip ap Rhys
Mauric ap Philip, living 1241
Hywel ap Meuric, died 1282
William ap Hywel, living 1282
Philip de Clanvowe, first recorded 1322, living 1349.
There is much information on Philip de Clanvowe and his family in The
Principality of Wales in the Later Middle Ages: The Structure and Personnel of
Government, Vol. I, South Wales, 1277-1536 (Cardiff: University of Wales
Press, 1972), by Ralph A. Griffiths. The author, in p. 103, states that Philip
de Clanvowe was the son of William ap Hywel and is first mentioned on 25 March
1322 when his Herefordshire estates were restored to him following the
execution of the earl of Lancaster. He was yet living in 1349.
For my own reference I had drawn up the following account some years ago.
The bibliographic citations are AR7: Ancestral Roots, 7th Edition; BBCS:
Bulletin of the Board of Celtic Studies; CCR: Calendar of Close Rolls; FP:
Family of Poyntz (1886); HMO: History of Monmouthshire (1828-32); PWLMA: The
Principality of Wales in the Later Middle Ages (1972); RMP: Returns of the
Members of Parliament (1878); VGL: Visitation of Gloucestershire; WG: Welsh
Genealogies (1980).
ARMS: Quarterly gules and or, a bend argent. Recorded in the quartered arms
of Poyntz in the Visitation of Gloucestershire in 1623 (Harleian Society, vol.
21, p. 130).
LINE 1:
1. PHILIP (ap RHYS?). Said to be both son of Rhys ap Fychan, died 1271, and
Rhys ap Mechyll (died 1244), Lord of Dinefwr, father of the latter, being of
the royal line of Deheubarth, but both claims seem questionable. (HMO, 4: 243;
VGL: 130; WG: 801)
Married- N.N.
2. MEURIC ap PHILIP. Witnessed three charters in 1241. (BBCS, 28: 269; FP:
231; VGL: 130. But Meurig ap Rhys per WG: 801.)
Married- N.N.
3. HYWEL ap MEURIG, of Gladestry, Radnorshire, Wales. Died 1282, leaving a
will whose executors were his sons, William and Philip. (BBCS, 28: 268; PWLMA,
1: 97; WG: 801)
Married- N.N. Died 1298. (BBCS, 28: 269)
4a. WILLIAM ap HYWEL. Line 1, no. 4a, next.
4b. RHYS ap HYWEL. Line 2, no. 4.
4a. WILLIAM ap HYWEL. Living 1282, when he and his brother Philip ap Hywel
were executors of the will of their father. (BBCS, 28: 270; PWLMA, 1: 103)
Married- N.N.
5. PHILIP de CLANVOWE, of Michaelchurch-on-Arrow, Radnorshire, Wales.
Living 1349. First recorded on 27 Mar 1322, when the keeper of the castles of
Huntington and La Hay (Hay-on-Wye) in Herefordshire, near the border of Wales,
is ordered to restore his lands and properties there. Deputy Justiciar of
South Wales to Sir Gilbert Talbot, 1332, 1334-47, and 1346-49. Knight of the
Shire for Hereford, 1322, 1339, and 1340. (AR7: 84; BLG18, 1: 580; CCR,
1318-23: 430, 433; FP: 52, 94; HP/1386, 2: 576; PWLMA, 1: 103; RMP; WG: 801)
Married- PHILIPPA TALBOT or .......... BREDWARDEN. (AR7: 84, indicates the
wife of Philip was Philippa, perhaps a daughter of Sir Gilbert Talbot, 1st
Baron Talbot, and WG: 801, that she was a daughter of Sir Walter Bredwarden.
Sir Philip may have been married twice, in which case it would not be possible
to say with certainty who the mother of his daughter Elizabeth was.)
6. ELIZABETH de CLANVOWE. Living 1359, she predeceased her husband.
Married before 1343- Sir JOHN POYNTZ (died 1376), of Iron Acton,
Gloucestershire.
LINE 2:
3. HYWEL ap MEURIG. See Line 1, no. 3. (BBCS, 28: 268)
Married- N.N.
4b. RHYS ap HYWEL, of Talgarth and Cantrefselyf, Wales. Died 11 Apr/22 May
1328. By Oct 1305, a clerk (cleric, priest) in the service of Prince Edward
(later Edward I); Deputy-justiciar of Wales, 1312-13; organized the defence of
South Wales in the face of a threatened Irish invasion in 1315. Imprisoned in
Dover Castle by Mar 1322 and languishing in the Tower of London in 1326, but
soon released. Justiciar of South Wales from Nov 1326. (BBCS, 28: 267, 270;
PWLMA, 1: 97-98)
Married- N.N.
5. ELIZABETH ferch RHYS. Her children became the heirs of her father's
estates in Wales following the deaths of her five brothers without issue.
(BBCS, 28: 278)
Married- Sir RALPH BLUET (died 1361), of Daglingworth, Gloucestershire.
[Ref: Rosie Bevan SGM 2/6/2005-173532]
Pedigree of Elizabeth FERCH RHYS AP HYWEL
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Rhys Ap Tudor Mawr Prince Of South Wales
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Gruffydd Ap Rhys, Prince Of Deheubarth
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Rhiwallon Ap Cynfn Of Powys
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Gladys Of Powys
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Rhys Ap Gruffydd, Prince Of Deheubarth
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Gruffydd Ap CYNN
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Gwenllian
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Philip AP RHYS
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Meuric
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Hywel AP MEURIG
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Rhys AP HYWEL
Elizabeth FERCH RHYS AP HYWEL
Descendants of Elizabeth FERCH RHYS AP HYWEL
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