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Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Sir Robert BAYNTON Birth: Abt 1439 in Fallardeston Death: Before 6 Oct 1472
  2. Edward BEYNTON Birth: 2
  3. William BEYNTON Birth: 3
  4. Thomas BEYNTON Birth: 4
  5. Henry BAYNTON Birth: 5

Marriage:
Bibliography
  1. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  2. Davis, Walter Goodwin, Ancestry of Abel Lunt, 1769-1806, of Newbury, Massachusetts, Portland, Maine: Anthoensen Press, 1963. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/28623. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Davis LUNT p[0-9]*].
  3. Davis, Walter Goodwin, Ancestry of Dudley Wildes, 1759-1820, of Topsfield, Massachusetts, Portland, Maine: Anthoensen Press, 1959. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/33853 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Davis WILDES p[0-9]*].
  4. Faris, David, Plantagenet ancestry of seventeenth century colonists: the descent from the later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, Edward II, and Edward III, of emigrants from England and Wales to the North American colonies before 1701, second edition. Boston: New England Historical Genealogical Society, 1999. NYPL APR (New England) 01-1513. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Faris PA2 p[0-9ivxc]*].
  5. Hart, Craig, Genealogy of the Wives of the American Presidents, Jefferson, NC: McFarland, 2004. NYPL APK 05-1088 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Hart PresidentWives p[0-9]*].
  6. Roskell, J S, History of Parliament: The House of Commons 1386-1421. Wolfboro Falls, NH: Alan Sutton, 1992. NYPL JFE 95-5018. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: HoP 1386-1421 v[1-4]p[0-9]*].
  7. Johnson, Will, Corrections to Richardsons Plantagenet Ancestry, http://sites.rootsweb.com/~wjhonson/PAC/index.html Information from this source tagged as [Ref: PA++ .*].
  8. Richardson, Douglas, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Baltimore, MD: Genelogical Publishing Co, 2004. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson PA p[0-9]*].
  9. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1[pc][0-9]*].
  10. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p[0-9]*].
  11. Roberts, Gary Boyd, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States: who were themselves notable or left descendants notable in American history, with a 2008 Addendum, Coda, and Final Additions. Baltimore, MD: Gen Pub Co, 2008. NYPL APK 08-4216. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Roberts RD600 p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
abt 1406 (age 4 in 1410, of age in 1428) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p272]
abt 1407 [Ref: Faris PA2 p9, Richardson PA p68],
parents:
[Ref: CP XI p303(g), Davis LUNT p212, Faris PA2 p9, Richardson PA p68, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p272]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: Faris PA2 p9, Richardson PA p68, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p272]
Sources with Information about marriage to Joan De ECHYNGHAM
date:
first marriage of John [Ref: Faris PA2 p9, Richardson PA p68, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p272],
names:
[Ref: Faris PA2 p127],
child:
[Ref: Davis WILDES p223, Faris PA2 p166, Faris PA2 p9, Hart PresidentWives p41, Richardson PA p68, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p272, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p273, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p183, Roberts RD600 p377]
Sources with Information about marriage to Katherine PAYNE
date:
second marriage of Katherine [Ref: HoP 1386-1421 v2p480]
second marriage of both [Ref: Faris PA2 p9, Richardson PA p68, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p272]
Research Notes:
Knt, of Faulstone (in Bishopston), Lower Wroughton (in Wroughton), Shawe, and Tollard Lucy (in Tollard Royal), Yiltshire, Hampreston, Long Crichel, and Tarrant, Gunville, Dorset, Marsh Baldon, Oxfordshire, Shipley, Sussex, etc [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p272]
of Hampreston, Dorset [Ref: HoP 1386-1421 v2p480]
Knt, of Faulstone (in Bishopston), Wiltshire [Ref: Richardson PA p68]
Knt, of Falstone in Bishopston, co Wilts [Ref: Faris PA2 p9]

heir of his father [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p272]

1410: inherited Tolland Lucy from his uncle, William Roches [Ref: Faris PA2 p9]

1410: inherited the manors of Marsh Baldon, Oxfordshire and Tollard Lucy (in Tollard Royal) and Shawe, Wiltshire, from his uncle William Roches [Ref: Richardson PA p68, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p272]

1430, 1443-4: Sheriff of Wiltshire [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p272]
Sheriff of Wiltshire [Ref: Faris PA2 p9, Richardson PA p68]

1445-6: Knight of the Shire for Wiltshire [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p272]
Knight of the Shire for Wiltshire [Ref: Richardson PA p68]

M.P. of Wiltshire [Ref: Faris PA2 p9]

Richardson PA (Baynton) p68 cites, among other secondary sources: "The Ancestry of Abel Lunt" by Walter Goodwin Davis. But RPA conveniently fails to note that Davis says quite specifically that "there is thus far no sound documentary evidence found that ... Sir John Baynton's wife and the mother of his heir was Joan, daughter of Sir William de Etchingham". Clearly Davis does NOT support RPA's statement in this case, and citing it in support without qualification is - to put it bluntly - dishonest. [But, to be fair, this is carried forwarded more-or-less verbatim (and apparently unchecked) from PA2 and PA1 - although both of those volumes qualify their record of the marriage by adding "it is said", a hesitation which was dropped by RPA.]

The chronological issue of Joan, wife of Sir John Baynton, having her first child at age 35, ca. 1439, was raised by Louise Staley in a post in February of this year (2004). I don't believe there was any resolution of this then. But the answer may lie in the other known marriage of Sir John Baynton.
Sir John Baynton's widow was Katherine Payne, who was herself widow (as his 3rd wife) of John Stourton, MP, of Preston Plucknet, Somerset, who d. 16 Dec 1438 [see Roskell, HOP 1386-1421, 4:490-2]. Sir John Baynton's son Sir Robert is said to have been 26 at the time his father's IPM in 1465 and thus born ca. 1439. It's not impossible that Katherine Payne and Sir John Baynton married quickly after John Stourton's death and had a son Robert. This seems more acceptable chronologically than the speculative marriage to Joan Echingham. But it clearly remains unproven as well.....
Gary Boyd Roberts in RD600 covers the Echingham/Baynton/Gye descent, but says that "further documentary proof...would be desirable". [Ref: PA++ Baynton 2004 (p68)]



Pedigree of Sir John BEYNTON
                   /-----Thomas De BAYNTON
          /-----Nicholas De BAYNTON
         |        |         /-----Richard De GRIMSTEDE
         |         \-----Margaret De GRIMSTEDE
         |                 |                  /-----Thomas Le TABLER
         |                 |         /-----Guy Le TABLER
         |                 |        |        |                  /-----Sir Ellis III GIFFARD, Baron Of Elston
         |                 |        |        |         /-----Sir Elis IV GIFFORD, Baron Of Elston
         |                 |        |         \-----Isabel GIFFORD
         |                 |        |                  \-----Isabel MUSARD
         |                  \-----Edith Le TABLER
 /-----Nicholas BEYNTON
|         \-----Joan DAUNDELY
Sir John BEYNTON
|                           /-----John ROCHES
|                  /-----John ROCHES
|         /-----Sir John ROCHES
|        |        |         /-----Gilbert BERWICK
|        |         \-----Agnes BERWICK
 \-----Joan ROCHES
         |                  /-----Sir Peter De La MARE
         |         /-----Sir Robert De La MARE
          \-----Willelma De La MERE
                  |                                             /-----William De HASTINGS
                  |                                    /-----Sir Henry De HASTINGS
                  |                                   |         \-----Margaret BIGOD
                  |                           /-----Sir Henry De HASTINGS
                  |                          |        |         /-----David Earl Of Huntingdon
                  |                          |         \-----Ada Of Huntingdon
                  |                          |                  \-----Maud Of Chester
                  |                  /-----Sir John De HASTINGS, Lord Hastings
                  |                 |        |                  /-----Sir William De CANTELOU, Baron Of Eaton Bray
                  |                 |        |         /-----William De CANTELOU, Lord Abergavenny
                  |                 |        |        |         \-----Millicent De GOURNAY
                  |                 |         \-----Joan CANELOU
                  |                 |                 |         /-----William De BRAIOSE, Baron Of Brecknock Castle
                  |                 |                  \-----Eva De BRAIOSE, Baroness Abergavenny
                  |                 |                           \-----Eve MARSHALL
                  |         /-----Sir Hugh De HASTINGS
                  |        |        |                           /-----Sir Hugh Le DESPENSER
                  |        |        |                  /-----Sir Hugh Le DESPENSER, Justiciar Of England
                  |        |        |         /-----Sir Hugh Le DESPENSER, Earl Of Winchester
                  |        |        |        |        |         /-----Sir Philip BASSET, Justiciar Of England
                  |        |        |        |         \-----Aline BASSET
                  |        |        |        |                  \-----Hawise De LOUVAINE
                  |        |         \-----Isabel DESPENSER
                  |        |                 |                  /-----William BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Elmsley Castle
                  |        |                 |         /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
                  |        |                 |        |         \-----Isabel MAUDUIT
                  |        |                  \-----Isabel De BEAUCHAMP
                  |        |                          |         /-----Sir John FITZ GEOFFREY
                  |        |                           \-----Maud FITZJOHN
                  |        |                                    \-----Isabel BIGOD
                   \-----Maud HASTINGS
                           |                                    /-----Jordan FOLIOT
                           |                           /-----Sir Richard FOLIOT
                           |                  /-----Sir Jordan FOLIOT, Lord Foliot
                           |                 |        |         /-----William De STUTEVILLE
                           |                 |         \-----Margery De STUTEVILLE
                           |                 |                  \-----Margaret De SAY
                           |         /-----Sir Richard FOLIOT, Lord Foliot
                           |        |        |                  /-----Sir Adam De NEWMARCH
                           |        |        |         /-----Sir Adam De NEWMARCH
                           |        |        |        |         \-----Joan
                           |        |         \-----Margery De NEWMARCHE
                           |        |                 |         /-----Sir Roger MOWBRAY, Baron Of Thirsk
                           |        |                  \-----Elizabeth De MOWBRAY
                           |        |                           \-----(Unk Dau) De FURNIVAL
                            \-----Margery FOLIOT
                                    |                           /-----John De BRAOSE, Baron Of Bramber
                                    |                  /-----William De BREUSE, Lord Breuse
                                    |                 |         \-----Margaret Of Wales
                                    |         /-----William De BREWES, Lord Of Gower
                                    |        |        |         /-----Thomas De MULTON
                                    |        |         \-----Aline De MULTON
                                    |        |                  \-----Maud De VAUX
                                     \-----Joan BREWES
                                              \-----Agnes



Descendants of Sir John BEYNTON
1. Sir John BEYNTON m1. Joan De ECHYNGHAM m2. Katherine PAYNE
m. Joan De ECHYNGHAM father: Sir William ECHYNGHAM mother: Joan FITZ ALAN
m. Katherine PAYNE father: Thomas PAYNE mother: Margery YEOVILTON

2nd generation

2. Sir Robert BAYNTON m. Elizabeth HAUTE
m. Elizabeth HAUTE father: William HAUTE mother: Joan WYDEVILL
6. Henry BAYNTON m.

3rd generation

8. Sir John BAYNTON m. Joan DIGGS
m. Joan DIGGS father: Thomas DIGGES
9. Joan BAYNTON m. Thomas PROWSE
m. Thomas PROWSE

4th generation

10. Sir Edward BAYNTON m1. Elizabeth SULLIARD m2. Isabel LEIGH
m. Elizabeth SULLIARD father: Sir John SULYARD mother: Anne ANDREWS
m. Isabel LEIGH father: Ralph LEIGH mother: Joyce CULPEPPER
17. Mary PROWSE m. John GYE
m. John GYE father: John GYE mother: Elizabeth SPENCER

5th generation

18. Andrew BAYNTON m. Philippe BRULETT
m. Philippe BRULETT father: William BRULETT
20. Sir Edward BAYNTON m1. Agnes RHYS m2. Anne PACKYNGTON
m. Agnes RHYS father: Rhys Ap GRIFFITH FITZURYAN mother: Katherine HOWARD
m. Anne PACKYNGTON
21. Bridget BAYNTON m. Sir James STUMPE
m. Sir James STUMPE father: William STUMPE mother: Joyce BERKELEY
26. Henry BAYNTON m. Anne CAVENDISH
m. Anne CAVENDISH father: Sir William CAVENDISH mother: Margaret BOSTOCK
28. Robert GYE m1. Joan m2. Grace DOWRISH
m. Joan
m. Grace DOWRISH father: Thomas DOWRISH mother: Ann FARRINGTON